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Old 05-25-2013, 02:40 PM   #886
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What else are you going to use your FP+ benefit for once Soarin and Test Track are gone? They can't "sell" something if they have no inventory.
But that's not what Rileygirl said-she wanted them in different tiers to obtain both. My question was why, and who cares?

There will be folks (maybe older, mobility, queezy, pregnant, babies, small children) that just want to settle in for Illumnations and will never select Soarin or TT), actually that number may very well be 50% of the park.
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More to ponder.

Disney keeps historical files on everyone who has been an on-site guest.

I mean they retain EV-ERY - THING about the when, how and WHO of those coming a WDW resort on a trip or trips.
They have done this for years and years and years.
Why do they do that if they don't care about their returning guests?

Or, maybe, as of the commencement of FP+ ...



they don't.
Aaaand suddenly they know how off-site guests sometimes feel

I kid of course. Wow, they must have some server capacity. They'll need it if they want to store where all these people have gone, what they have rode and what they spent. Wow. They'll suck the power grid dry!

Rileygirl, I replied to you in an earlier post btw.
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Was not BOG lunch counter service just recently 'trialed' on the fp option as a test?
In the terms and conditions CS fastpass plus is mentioned often. It does say select locations. I also remember reading in one of the many newscasts in January that CS fastpass plus was highlighted. BOG was doing a trial. I would never use this service.
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Old 05-25-2013, 02:52 PM   #889
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In the terms and conditions CS fastpass plus is mentioned often. It does say select locations. I also remember reading in one of the many newscasts in January that CS fastpass plus was highlighted. BOG was doing a trial. I would never use this service.
The people who would are people who

1) Like to plan meals in advance
2) Don't want to go into other more upscale places that actually need reservations right now
3) Worry they won't get served unless they prebook counter service places

Seems like one heck of a venn diagram if you ask me.
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Old 05-25-2013, 02:52 PM   #890
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More to ponder.

Disney keeps historical files on everyone who has been an on-site guest.

I mean they retain EV-ERY - THING about the when, how and WHO of those coming a WDW resort on a trip or trips.
They have done this for years and years and years.
Why do they do that if they don't care about their returning guests?

Or, maybe, as of the commencement of FP+ ...



they don't.

Who knows, maybe they keep track of the negative "no FP, long wait" comments as well.
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In my opinion, it will be a little bit better, perhaps, to have the firework shows and parades considered as tier 2, no matter what park. I always want to manipulate the system to the absolute max, and if this is the sytem I have to work with, then I care.

I comprehend why you dont care. Others may feel differently. I do. fwiw.
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Who knows, maybe they keep track of the negative "no FP, long wait" comments as well.
That would be a HUGE climb down, and pretty embarrassing if they did pull or change this a lot after introduction.

Given the lack of detail currently, it seems this would be the best point to mysteriously and as quietly as possible ditch most of this system, or modify it significantly.

Do it when it has been introduced, and you risk a firestorm of confusion, bad publicity and anger or confusion from guests at what they have lost or gained.

I think we are approaching the point of sensible return. After that... abandon at ye peril.

How much of this 1BN have they spent already is the question, and how much would it cost to change it in any meaningful way...

I just still can't believe they signed off on a billion investment for prebooking rides. The return needs to be a fortune. They can't get this without massively changing spending habits or more likely imo increasing ticket prices slightly faster as a stealth charge as opposed to a more obvious charge like paying for more FP+.
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I will never, ever get fast passes for a counter service meal. The great advantage of CS to me is being to go when ready to eat without being tied down to a specific time. That just seems weird and I won't do it!!!


(Unless it's ever necessary for the Columbia Harbour House or Kringla. )
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In the terms and conditions CS fastpass plus is mentioned often. It does say select locations. I also remember reading in one of the many newscasts in January that CS fastpass plus was highlighted. BOG was doing a trial. I would never use this service.
I want to say that there was a test of sorts at Pecos Bills as well.

Resort concierge guests are already doing this at BOG - kind of a "free FP" for them.

Almost certainly these would be Tier 2 (except maybe BOG), and if so, I might throw one that way if we were planning to eat there anyways, depending on what it actually does in the end.


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In my opinion, it will be a little bit better, perhaps, to have the firework shows and parades considered as tier 2, no matter what park. I always want to manipulate the system to the absolute max, and if this is the sytem I have to work with, then I care.

I comprehend why you dont care. Others may feel differently. I do. fwiw.
If a parade/etc FP+ was tier 2, and it was actually GOOD without having to still show up early, I'd probably do it - but I bet the competition for them would be fierce. Tier 2 FP+ is likely throwaways anyways.

If it's like F!/Candlelight Processional packages, where you still have to show up at least an hour before for a decent seat, then no.
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That is not how I understand it. As I understand it, anyone who holds a valid ticket will be able to make FP reservations up to sixty days in advance. This is not tied to room reservations. The only people who would not be able to make advance FP reservations are those people who buy their tickets at the gate because they would not have been previously holding valid tickets that would allow for advance FP reservations. This, of course, includes those who upgrade their tickets after arrival. They would only be able to make advance FP reservations for the number of days for which they held valid tickets in advance.
I can see how those who purchase their tickets through WDW will have that noted in their My Disney Experience site, but what about those of us who are using up older non expiry tickets, or those who purchase from other avenues such as Undercover Tourist?
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I can see how those who purchase their tickets through WDW will have that noted in their My Disney Experience site, but what about those of us who are using up older non expiry tickets, or those who purchase from other avenues such as Undercover Tourist?
There will supposedly be a method by which you can enter the ticket ID into your profile. It doesn't exist yet.
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If a parade/etc FP+ was tier 2...

If it's like F!/Candlelight Processional packages, where you still have to show up at least an hour before for a decent seat, then no.
I'd put the probability of it being EXACTLY like that in the high 80's.

(Although it's closer to, say, 40-45 minutes early.)
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Someone was talking about FP's for Lights Motors Action (possibly the silliest and most risky fp idea yet. "We didn't need FP, all the seats are pretty good!" "What do you mean I need a fastpass to get in early now? I'm here now and I want to go in!"

Doesn't seem like the benefit is worth it to either party. Why not just show up early and get to the front of the standby queue? You'd still get a decent seat and save a fastpass to boot.

Exactly why fastpasses should NOT have been extended beyond rides. It's getting more and more complicated. The premutations are insane, there must be hundreds of possible fastpass reservation arrangements.
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Old 05-25-2013, 03:12 PM   #899
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In my opinion, it will be a little bit better, perhaps, to have the firework shows and parades considered as tier 2, no matter what park. I always want to manipulate the system to the absolute max, and if this is the sytem I have to work with, then I care.

I comprehend why you dont care. Others may feel differently. I do. fwiw.
I'm sure we all do, but having headliners in different tiers would be better yet IMO. I'm just saying for me-I would pick a headliner over Illuminations, and yet never miss a thing about Illuminations, and likely have a better view at game time anyway, even with Granny and toddlers.

These tiers will change over time and by season IMO. If there is plenty to go around, I think they will open more options up.

They may say pick from the same tier if you buy VGF or stay deluxe down the road-who knows. And nobody "in the park" would know.
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Guess I'm pretty behind in this thread, what are the tiers about?
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