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Old 05-24-2013, 09:02 PM   #736
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And to add my 2 cents to the whole smart phone issue... I seem to recall not too long ago plenty of dissers up in arms over Parent X texting while on IASW instead of enjoying time with their family in such a magical place [or lighting up a dark ride with their too bright screen, or stepping on heals while they walked blindly through the crowds, etc.]. Imagine an entire park filled with people, nose down trying reschedule a FP+. I don't think that would be fun at all.

Besides kiosks, they are going to need slow lanes for people looking at their screens
True story! I can just hear all the text alerts going off during a ride or something. "Yo-ho! Yo-ho! A Pirate's Life For -" "DING! Incoming Text!" And you KNOW people have super loud/annoying text alerts! (although I shouldn't talk, mine is the monorail chime followed by "please stand clear of the doors..." lol) Also I can picture the 10 mile gaps between people in line because they are watching their phone and not paying attention to whats happening around them... oh this will be fun!
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:03 PM   #738
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I think 'they' would be still able to get at least one decent fast pass. Because disney has really closed the lid on multiple mountain fp's, and if you look at the tier system that was used in the trial system, you can see disney 'safeguards' the ability for many many people to score at least one good fast pass.

And I suspect, they will release fp attraction availability of the 'hot' commodities, the same way they release dining venues. Not everything becomes available at the 190 day mark, Not everything becomes available at the 180 day mark, not everything is available at the 60, 45, 30 or 7 day mark. Some inventory usually makes it in to the system all through out the timeline. They will save some for the 'day of' and they will also save some to 'float' the whole system for making changes right up until the day of. And if its like dining ressies, there are always some held back for VIPS until the day of.

So, they will get to do something great, something mediocre, some type of dining thing, maybe score a 'here and now' and be left to their own devices. Overall, this is FANTASTIC compared to what they are doing. And if they decide to hop into that brutal line, they will have enough to make them happy with their tour day. Is that a stretch? maybe. Maybe thats a weak argument.

Also, people are getting excited about fp+ and the ability to of them to be self cancelling. This may or may not happen. If the IT people can make this system work like a dream, the potential is there. However, I dont think it would be the scenario of, hey, I didnt enter the park until 30 minutes before my fp time, and it got canceled. I think it may work more along the lines of, the system recognizes your bracelet and you are currently going through the epcot turnstiles at 3:30. Your FP+ is for BTMRR. It knows you cannot possibly make it, so it could self cancel.
I can see that working in that situation but not for those off-site and just sleeping in and coming to the park later. Also, I wonder, do you have to have the bracelet out/wearing it to be picked up. If you can only do one park a day, are at Epcot in the morning and have your FP+s for HS in the afternoon so you aren't wearing your bracelet since it really won't be needed while in Epcot will they be able to tell where you are at? What if your party splits up and some stay at the resort and sleep in and some head to Epcot. Do we think Disney would cancel the whole parties FP+s or only the number of ones in Epcot 30 minutes before your FP+ expires at HS?

To the first point. Wouldn't that be the same set up that is being rumored about for booking FP+s. One headliner and 2 lesser rides. If Disney saves some of these for day trippers and those non-planners, how is this going to totally spread out the crowds. Those groups are still going to have a FP for a headliner just as if they booked 60 days out.

And BTW...I'm not trying to as someone said earlier, ruffle your feathers. I just see so many holes in this new system that it is like trying to catch a bowl of water in a strainer!! But you have brought up many great points!!
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:10 PM   #739
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I can see that working in that situation but not for those off-site and just sleeping in and coming to the park later. Also, I wonder, do you have to have the bracelet out/wearing it to be picked up. If you can only do one park a day, are at Epcot in the morning and have your FP+s for HS in the afternoon so you aren't wearing your bracelet since it really won't be needed while in Epcot will they be able to tell where you are at? What if your party splits up and some stay at the resort and sleep in and some head to Epcot. Do we think Disney would cancel the whole parties FP+s or only the number of ones in Epcot 30 minutes before your FP+ expires at HS?

To the first point. Wouldn't that be the same set up that is being rumored about for booking FP+s. One headliner and 2 lesser rides. If Disney saves some of these for day trippers and those non-planners, how is this going to totally spread out the crowds. Those groups are still going to have a FP for a headliner just as if they booked 60 days out.

And BTW...I'm not trying to as someone said earlier, ruffle your feathers. I just see so many holes in this new system that it is like trying to catch a bowl of water in a strainer!! But you have brought up many great points!!
Can't believe no one at disney actually sat down for a meeting and said "right, name all the possible problems here"

Because based on what this thread has brought up, they could have filled a whiteboard the size of the screen in soarin' lol!

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Old 05-24-2013, 09:13 PM   #740
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Hi everyone! I am confused about FP+. Will be heading to Disney soon! My understanding is that the new fastpass system is not up and running for all guests yet. Is that correct? Worried they will begin using it right before we get there and I won't know it started. From the posts I've read it seems like there isn't a definite start date yet.
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:15 PM   #741
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Why I think EMH is on the way out:
I think you are forgetting that EMH is a big perk for staying on-site. What is Disney going to replace it with to encourage on-site stays?

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THIS SYSTEM HAS THE BUILT IN ABILITY TO DISPERSE CROWDS ON MAXIMUM CAPACITY DAYS.

This is very subtle crowd control. And during non peak times, or regular park days, its a wonderful way to spread out the crowds between the 4 different parks to lessen the lines everywhere.
Wow that's a whole lot of magic from 3 measly FP's per guest. You are forgetting that people stand in line 2 hours for SM because THEY WANT TO RIDE SM. This despite FP's being available to them if they just took the time to figure it out or be patient enough to wait for the FP window.

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If Disney does have it all figured out, why don't they come out with the details? Why did they start giving details and then abruptly stop?

Something changed or went wrong, and I don't think it is just a tech issue. Disney stopped trying to get people excited about all this, and it doesn't seem like a tech delay is a good enough reason.


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It's the sensible thing to do, can you imagine ford just saying "yeah the new mustang is coming folks and its completely different it looks a little like this *vague picture*" then clamming up for months?

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Many many great points made here but one thing I think about is this. These families that have come in the park at 10:30 and then aren't happy because they end up in a Space line for 2 hours are going to be happy to be pushed into lesser rides to spread out the crowds for Disney? These same families have been coming into the parks at 10:30 for years and walking past the 5 minute wait for Stitch to get in that 2 hour Space line. Why?? Because they want to ride Space. So will they be happy when they come into the park at 10:30 with no booked FP+s, do a quick pick in which Disney pushes them to lesser rides and then 3 hours later find themselves in a 3 hour SB line for Space?
Nothing else is as relevant as this.

If the idea is to TEASE unsuspecting first-timer guests into taking a FP+ AAR (Advance Attraction Reservation) on Monday for the Tiki Room, and then those guests SEE the Tiki Room... they ain't gonna be so ready to give up their Shamu the Whale day to come back to Disney on Tuesday to Epcot just because that have a FP+ to ride Figment for 6 excruciating minutes.

There needs to be SUBSTANCE to make guests "Disney-Happy."

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Old 05-24-2013, 09:23 PM   #744
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Some people have mentioned being offered Stitch. All I know is that offering Stitch to unwary guests might just be a disaster. Could they really afford to annoy that many people?

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Space mountain - 21,000
Splash mountain - 15,000
Big thunder mountain - 18,000
Peter Pan - 6700
Little Mermaid 15120
I hate the idea of only being able to get one of these per day. I worry that the standby lines will be even longer due to these limitations.
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Get the community to LOVE this new system and to grab as many as they are allowed, so they only have to do a few standby rides on any give day? (riding appointments as Mom2RTK likes to call it) yes.

And then we are hooked, like little monkeys on crack, then maybe extras become tied to resorts somehow as a perk.... or a pay for feature....

Just something to think about.
No offense to bcrook, he's done a great deal to further this discussion and pass out actual information, but his numbers are very speculative.

Unless I am a complete outlier there is going to HAVE to be more than 3 FP's per day to make me happy. If I am not an outlier, then a member of a minority I may be, but it is a VERY vocal minority that has been Disney cheerleaders for years. If the internet has taught us anything it is that a vocal minority can absolutely make a significant impact on a business.
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Check it out. Under normal circumstances, disney will have no problem not only giving out a whack of extra fps on any given day, but will have a total of 30,000 of hot 'e' tickets left over on the day of.

And, why does the system have to dump the 30,000 e tickets in the system at 9 am. What if they spread that out over 8 hours. someone coming in at 11 could score space. or peter pan, or whatever.

And I really think that this points to the fact that there will be extra fast passes, at least for the MK. And what could disney do with those?

Improve everyones experience and happiness with this new program by firing the lot off to those that are in the park that day? Yes

Get the community to LOVE this new system and to grab as many as they are allowed, so they only have to do a few standby rides on any give day? (riding appointments as Mom2RTK likes to call it) yes.

And then we are hooked, like little monkeys on crack, then maybe extras become tied to resorts somehow as a perk.... or a pay for feature....

Just something to think about.
Hey Rileygirl! You've been leading a great conversation today! This has been one of the better FP+ discussions in a while.

The figures all sound fine and dandy. But it presupposes a HUGE limitation in E-ticket FP access over the current system. Even if they "gift" me with an extra here and there, I'm still not going to be a happy camper. Surely I'm not alone in this. They can fix it all up in a fancy hi-tech package, but in the end it's all about ride access to me.

I get it. They don't care if they lose me. Which is why I wait and watch. And am happy I didn't take my husband seriously when he suggested checking out DVC.

It is fascinating to watch it all unfold though, if for no other reason than just to see if they can pull it off.
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:26 PM   #747
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No worries Mom2mickeyfan

I like it when people point out issues. It makes me rethink stuff. And there are plenty of holes in my arguments for sure.

I am going to threaten you with dam statistics though. I will go dig some calculations up that bcrook did a while back.

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Magic kingdom total fastpass plus -

E-ticket FP+ allotment
Space mountain - 21,000
Splash mountain - 15,000
Big thunder mountain - 18,000
Peter Pan - 6700
Little Mermaid 15120
Total - 80,000 @ 60% FP+ distribution and 14 hours Mine train (another 18,000?)

Second tier allotment
Pirates of Caribbean - 20,000
Haunted Mansion - 30,240
Ranger Spin - 7500
Winnie the Pooh - 6700
Jungle Cruise - 15,000
Monsters Inc laugh floor - 10,000
Dumbo - 10,000
Flying carpets 7500
Barnstormer - 7500
Mickeys philarmagic -3,000
Totals. - 120,000

Enchanted Tales with Belle - 1000
Other meet and greets - 2500
Parades - 2000
Fireworks - 1000
Quick service meals - 1000
Total - 7,500

If 50,000 people are in MK and there is a 210,000 FP+ capacity.
50,000 e tickets limit one per person
100,000 minor attractions. Limit two per person.

That leaves 30,000 left over e tickets FP and 27,500 minor FP available. Once everyone is switched over to the FP+ system.


Check it out. Under normal circumstances, disney will have no problem not only giving out a whack of extra fps on any given day, but will have a total of 30,000 of hot 'e' tickets left over on the day of.

And, why does the system have to dump the 30,000 e tickets in the system at 9 am. What if they spread that out over 8 hours. someone coming in at 11 could score space. or peter pan, or whatever.

And I really think that this points to the fact that there will be extra fast passes, at least for the MK. And what could disney do with those?

Improve everyones experience and happiness with this new program by firing the lot off to those that are in the park that day? Yes

Get the community to LOVE this new system and to grab as many as they are allowed, so they only have to do a few standby rides on any give day? (riding appointments as Mom2RTK likes to call it) yes.

And then we are hooked, like little monkeys on crack, then maybe extras become tied to resorts somehow as a perk.... or a pay for feature....

Just something to think about.
My point wasn't the number of FP+s there will be but that if day trippers and non planners get the same options (which I believe they should) as those of us that book 60 days out, how is this going to help Disney disperse the crowds to those areas where there aren't that many FP+s booked? One of your main points was how Disney will be able to use this system to "push" those non planners into the areas that are less crowded. That can't totally be true if they will get the same options even in the quick picks as those that booked at 60 days out.
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Hey Rileygirl! You've been leading a great conversation today! This has been one of the better FP+ discussions in a while.

The figures all sound fine and dandy. But it presupposes a HUGE limitation in E-ticket FP access over the current system. Even if they "gift" me with an extra here and there, I'm still not going to be a happy camper. Surely I'm not alone in this. They can fix it all up in a fancy hi-tech package, but in the end it's all about ride access to me.

I get it. They don't care if they lose me. Which is why I wait and watch. And am happy I didn't take my husband seriously when he suggested checking out DVC.

It is fascinating to watch it all unfold though, if for no other reason than just to see if they can pull it off.
You are most certainly not alone in this! I just am hoping there is more to this than 3 with the chance to get more. And even if I do get offered more, Stitch would not be something I am interested in. Unless some of the magical ones I am surprised with are one of the mountains or Peter Pan, I'm not sure how this would benefit me... Boy I sound greedy!
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Nothing else is as relevant as this.

If the idea is to TEASE unsuspecting first-timer guests into taking a FP+ AAR (Advance Attraction Reservation) on Monday for the Tiki Room, and then those guests SEE the Tiki Room... they ain't gonna be so ready to give up their Shamu the Whale day to come back to Disney on Tuesday to Epcot just because that have a FP+ to ride Figment for 6 excruciating minutes.

There needs to be SUBSTANCE to make guests "Disney-Happy."
I can't articulate how much I disagree. What "first-time" guest has a clue about FP+? Actually, they probably know more than we do because while we're here speculating about 1,000 scenarios that COULD happen but probably never will, they are happily going about their lives...
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