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Old 05-23-2013, 08:16 PM   #601
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It seems pretty certain that if you get a MagicBand, you HAVE to use Fastpass+.

If you DON'T get a MagicBand, it appears that you can still make a choice for now.

At the risk of backlash from those who think we shouldn't discuss these things on a discussion board...

Disney has only really mentioned 3 when talking about booking Fastpass+ experiences in advance - and that's what they are touting heavily. They haven't really talked about how things would work in the park in terms of numbers - only that you can change your choices/times up until they expire.

Because of this, there are two camps:

1) The "3 and Done" camp...you get three, and that's it. Of course, the numbers can vary (and they reference that in the T&C, based on all sorts of conditions - it could be different on different days). Per Nick Franklin's video interview, additional "bonus" experiences might be offered.

2) The "it all works the same in the parks" camp...yes, you can pre-book 3, but then in the park that day you can get them just like you always did. I think a lot of the argument here is that all the tests allowed guests to utilize the existing system while also using FP+.

And frankly, I don't even know what camp I'm in these days. I'm just sitting and waiting, but at the same time make sure people know what information we know, and what we don't.

But, since Wi-Fi is being discussed, time to put on my IT Consultant hat...it's what I do...

Wi-Fi is a pain, on any scale. It never works better than "ok". And that's with a single access point. Multiple access points is a nightmare. There are different ways to do it, and none really work well. It's a shared media network - the more devices, the slower it gets, and it isn't linear.As more devices try to transmit, they all have to stop and wait, and argue about who goes next.

Disney is doing Wi-Fi on an unprecedented scale as far as I know.
Since most, if not all of the test runs they've done with FP+ have allowed guests to pull same day regular FPs aswell as the 3 pre booked ones, is it possible that once it does eventually get fully rolled out, they will end regular FP that same day, and all those same day FPs will then be transferred to the kiosks/smartphone app for guests to access? All the kiosks for FP+ would be installed and ready to go, and the FP kiosks we know and use today, could be removed?
Thus explaining why on the test runs guests could pre book and get same day FPs? Which would place it into the camp 2 from your post.

Ofcourse, it's all speculation on my behalf, but I know you've been extremely helpful with all the info you have posted along with others was curious to know if you think it's a possible scenario at all and could explain why guests have been able to pre book and get same day FPs?
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:22 PM   #602
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Since most, if not all of the test runs they've done with FP+ have allowed guests to pull same day regular FPs aswell as the 3 pre booked ones, is it possible that once it does eventually get fully rolled out, they will end regular FP that same day, and all those same day FPs will then be transferred to the kiosks/smartphone app for guests to access? All the kiosks for FP+ would be installed and ready to go, and the FP kiosks we know and use today, could be removed?
Thus explaining why on the test runs guests could pre book and get same day FPs? Which would place it into the camp 2 from your post.

Ofcourse, it's all speculation on my behalf, but I know you've been extremely helpful with all the info you have posted along with others was curious to know if you think it's a possible scenario at all?
That's the thinking behind it. However, what seems to be against it is there does not appear to be guest-usable kiosks being placed in the parks, but only CM-managed kiosks. At least that's the way it appears at this point.

I can't see the CMs being the focus of getting FPs for everyone. So unless that changes, I can't see same-day FP+ working out for the masses.
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That's the thinking behind it. However, what seems to be against it is there does not appear to be guest-usable kiosks being placed in the parks, but only CM-managed kiosks. At least that's the way it appears at this point.

I can't see the CMs being the focus of getting FPs for everyone. So unless that changes, I can't see same-day FP+ working out for the masses.
That video I posted a while back seemed to be from a guest perspective using a kiosk, though he was only changing times of prebookings on that instance but it seems guests will have access to kiosks in some form. Admittedly there was a cm nearby to answer questions, but that's standard practice in a new system I'd have thought.

I'm in a hybrid camp ATM in that I firmly believe same day fastpasses will be available, but I don't know if this will be in addition to the three prebooked, or only if you haven't yet used all three prebook slots. As in, you get to the park with one prebooked fastpass, and can then pick only another two on the day, or whether those selected in park would not count towards that three prebooked quota so you could have all three prebooked and still select more in park... They'd have to make it so you can't use the ones in park close to any you've pre ordered though IMO, like they space out fastpasses currently.

Also, one of the compilations robo posted said only one fastpass per ride for that day in advance so no multiple fastpasses for the same ride... Seems awfully restricting when coupled with an only three fastpasses full stop situation...
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I can't see the CMs being the focus of getting FPs for everyone. So unless that changes, I can't see same-day FP+ working out for the masses.
I agree with this. I just don't see how they can implement it. There are at times lines at the current FP machines and they often have to have a CM or two there to make sure people can figure out how to use a system that is as easy as purchasing gasoline via pay at the pump. Can you imagine the lines as people try to sort through the various attractions and time options. Have any of you waited in line behind a family trying to decide which pressed penny they want? Now try to imagine being behind a family of Disney newbies trying to decide which Mountain to ride and when.

Maybe Disney has some unforeseen "Magic" plan to sort this out but I just don't see how. If they do why keep it secret? I really don't understand why the current system couldn't be adapted to RFID and kept in combination with FP+. Unfortunately one of the few definitive aspects of FP+ that has been released is that it will NOT be used in conjunction with traditional FP.
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I agree with this. I just don't see how they can implement it. There are at times lines at the current FP machines and they often have to have a CM or two there to make sure people can figure out how to use a system that is as easy as purchasing gasoline via pay at the pump. Can you imagine the lines as people try to sort through the various attractions and time options. Have any of you waited in line behind a family trying to decide which pressed penny they want? Now try to imagine being behind a family of Disney newbies trying to decide which Mountain to ride and when.

Maybe Disney has some unforeseen "Magic" plan to sort this out but I just don't see how. If they do why keep it secret? I really don't understand why the current system couldn't be adapted to RFID and kept in combination with FP+. Unfortunately one of the few definitive aspects of FP+ that has been released is that it will NOT be used in conjunction with traditional FP.
But then why put kiosks in in the first place, just for checking times and modifying pre ordered passes? Seems a little pointless. I think they want them to take over the role of current fp machines too. Would make more sense to use them for that too.
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But then why put kiosks in in the first place, just for checking times and modifying pre ordered passes? Seems a little pointless. I think they want them to take over the role of current fp machines too. Would make more sense to use them for that too.
If they are only intended to allow changes to the max 3 FP+ per day then usage would be far less than the current FP machines and thus more likely to be viable.
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That video I posted a while back seemed to be from a guest perspective using a kiosk, though he was only changing times of prebookings on that instance but it seems guests will have access to kiosks in some form. Admittedly there was a cm nearby to answer questions, but that's standard practice in a new system I'd have thought.
There are also supposed to be kiosks at the resorts. I'm wondering if that might have been a resort kiosk. But unless they put a TON of those in the parks, I can't see them being viable there for standard Fastpass-getting volume.

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I'm in a hybrid camp ATM in that I firmly believe same day fastpasses will be available, but I don't know if this will be in addition to the three prebooked, or only if you haven't yet used all three prebook slots. As in, you get to the park with one prebooked fastpass, and can then pick only another two on the day, or whether those selected in park would not count towards that three prebooked quota so you could have three prebooked and still select more in park... They'd have to make it so you can't use the ones in park close to any you've pre ordered though IMO, like they space out fastpasses currently.
I've thought that they could still offer the equivalent of the current system - get first available slot at a given attraction - and limit it in various ways (can't overlap an existing one, one per attraction no matter what, etc.) But then there's the problem about knowing your return times, etc.

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Also, one of the compilations robo posted said only one fastpass per ride for that day in advance so no multiple fastpasses for the same ride... Seems awfully restricting when coupled with an only three fastpasses full stop situation...
Yeah, that's in the T&C - one per attraction, although it's still unclear if that's talking pre-book vs. overall. I have a feeling either way it will be applied.

I think the bigger restriction is the likely tiered selections...
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But then why put kiosks in in the first place, just for checking times and modifying pre ordered passes? Seems a little pointless. I think they want them to take over the role of current fp machines too. Would make more sense to use them for that too.
But how many are they putting in? It doesn't seem like there is a lot - maybe one per attraction at this point. That is not going to work for the masses. But it would work for checking/changes for those unable to do it themselves via DME app, because that volume would likely be very small.

I'll try and see how many I can discover next week.
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But, since Wi-Fi is being discussed, time to put on my IT Consultant hat...it's what I do...

Wi-Fi is a pain, on any scale. It never works better than "ok". And that's with a single access point. Multiple access points is a nightmare. There are different ways to do it, and none really work well. It's a shared media network - the more devices, the slower it gets, and it isn't linear.As more devices try to transmit, they all have to stop and wait, and argue about who goes next.

Disney is doing Wi-Fi on an unprecedented scale as far as I know.
thats what i do as well. where they made a mistake was that for in park wifi, they should have rolled it out initially with limited access to only disney apps and website, maybe twitter and facebook since they are big into social media. this would make the wireless much more usable from a bandwidth perspective. now that they offer open access, people watch netflix, stream the parades on ustream, etc (all high bandwidth) and they almost can not restrict it because people will complain more than they do now about poor connectivity. if they installed it and let everyone know it was specifically to "enhance" their disney experience while in the parks then that would have been their expectation from the start.

i am fine with more open access in the hotels but why do you really need to watch hulu at the magic kingdom?
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Yes and I totally agree with what Pete said, and he always has such a way with words, to get the point across.
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Wasn'tthe same help there for the current FP system as well?



If that was the main issue then why wasn't time enforcement implemented a long time ago. Obviously Disney felt, until recently, that it wasn't enough of a factor to warrant the change.



Complaints about the current FP system could have been addressed a LONG time ago by simply changing some of the parameters. Earlier return time enforcement, longer periods between being able to get another FP, limiting the number of FP's to headliners etc. I actually look to this as some glimmer of hope that the changes won't be quite as severe as feared. It seems like it would have made a LOT more sense to begin limiting FP's BEFORE introduction of FP+ in order to avoid the anger with FP restrictions being tied to implementation of FP+. If those of us that won't be happy with FP restrictions had become used to them already there would be much less resistance to FP+.

I just don't see how you can argue that the previous FP system didn't work then claim that FP+, which is far more complicated, won't suffer at least the same obstacles if not more.

As far as the DIS, Disney feels we are a large enough minority to feel it warrants monitoring the discussion.
I think there is a huge difference between the two programs. For one the old program was delegated simply to the parks, there was no option for planning ahead, or getting assistance on line or at the resort or even in park, as it will be now with the kiosks.

With the program interface to the MDE app. will be huge in getting people involved before they ever arrive.

Of course Disney monitors all the social medias. It does not mean that they are going to change a billion dollar program over the fact that some at the DIS don't like it.

Pete summed it up best on the Podcast and while I can't use his words, here due to filters, basically no one is forced to use it and why be against something that you know so little about it. Give it a chance first.
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Depends...haven't yet seen anyone post real credible "official" information that was from a reliable source.
Those that know aren't talking and those talking don't know.

I would never out a source that has shared info not ready for public release.

I would trust what Pete shared.
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Can you imagine the lines as people try to sort through the various attractions and time options. Have any of you waited in line behind a family trying to decide which pressed penny they want? Now try to imagine being behind a family of Disney newbies trying to decide which Mountain to ride and when.
This reminds me of the headache I got last weekend watching the people in front of me trying to figure out how to use the automated ticket machine at the movie theater.

These kiosks are going to take longer to use than the old FP machines. Yet, there apparently won't be nearly as many of them as the old machines. Disney must be depending HEAVILY on the fact that MOST guests will be using their own phone/tablet. But, of course, this requires highly reliable wifi
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Those that know aren't talking and those talking don't know.

I would never out a source that has shared info not ready for public release.

I would trust what Pete shared.
Pete shared some "new" information (starts at the 29:00 mark). First he said when this gets going that FP+ will only be for people with a valid ticket, they can be booked 60 days in advance, and for those with a disney resort reservation.

Second he said that 3 FP+ prebooked, one park, and that you definitely couldn't use legacy with the FP+, and did not mention anything about extra FP throughout the day. He seemed very confident.
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Pete shared some "new" information (starts at the 29:00 mark). First he said when this gets going that FP+ will only be for people with a valid ticket, they can be booked 60 days in advance, and for those with a disney resort reservation.

Second he said that 3 FP+ prebooked, one park, and that you definitely couldn't use legacy with the FP+, and did not mention anything about extra FP throughout the day. He seemed very confident.
Am I understanding this right?

If staying at a Disney resort: 3 FP+ per day, and maybe same day FP+ in addition (no word either way)

If not staying at a Disney resort: only same day FP (either virtual or paper, I guess), with same limitations as now (every two hours, etc). Of course, availability will depend upon what is taken by resort guests using FP+. Which could mean no TSM FP for non-resort guests, at all.

Also, when he says for resort guests only: does he mean initially for resort guests only, and then later for all guests (like we've heard in past), or for resort guests only, forever?
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