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Old 05-22-2013, 09:49 AM   #151
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The first person it was reported to should have called the local authorities as well as their own chain of command.
If DCL has a policy or a work culture in place that prevents this from happening it is for one reason only and that is to keep it in house until they have had time to do damage control.
If someone came to me to say their daughter had been molested my very first call would have been to the local police not my supervisor or in house security.
Crimes and accusations are reported to the police. PERIOD. Unless you are the police and the local prosecutor you have no authority to decide if an accusation has merit.
DCL screwed this one up. There is never an excuse to delay reporting something like this.

Exactly. Not sure why people on here are implying DcL should have been investigating before the police. So if someone runs to guest services screaming of a murder would DcL go look for a body before calling police? Um, no!
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I am stunned that the captain left port instead of reporting this to the local authorities immediately. How dare they keep a known pedophile on board and then pay his way back to India so he can escape prosecution?!? They have the girl's story, completely backed up by video proof that identifies the monster. They let him roam the ship for a few more hours, then drop him off in the Bahamas and pay his fare home?? So he can continue to travel the world assaulting little girls instead of sitting in a Bravard County jail where he belongs? This is truly atrocious.

This happened nearly a year ago. How many other incidents like this have they covered up? We can only assume there are more, this guy was pretty brazen to do that right in the lobby. Disney is contradicting their own ship incident reports by claiming they knew nothing until they were away from Florida and then reported it in a timely manner... absolute bs. My trust in this company is seriously shaken.

We have cruised DCL three times in the past and loved it and highly recommended it to others (note the past tense), but I am considering canceling our two rooms booked on the Fantasy this fall as well as all future trips if this is how casually they treat pedophiles.

If anyone from Disney is reading this, shame on you Disney, I really expected more of you.
I agree. I am probably going to cancel our Dream cruise and maybe our WDW trip in the fall unless they make a statement to explain themselves. And I do not even have children, but this really upset me. A lot.
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:59 AM   #153
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A crime was committed on the ship. DCL failed to notify the police of the crime. Shameful.
Did the Family of the girl notify police? I didn't read everything fully so don't know if that was said or not.
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Exactly. Not sure why people on here are implying DcL should have been investigating before the police. So if someone runs to guest services screaming of a murder would DcL go look for a body before calling police? Um, no!
Actually, I'm sure they would call their own security officer not dial 911. I met a security officer on the Magic one time. He was a retired FBI agent and he was packing. I don't know why people think the cops in Port Canaveral or Cocoa Beach would be better than the ship's law enforcement personnel.
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Exactly. Not sure why people on here are implying DcL should have been investigating before the police. So if someone runs to guest services screaming of a murder would DcL go look for a body before calling police? Um, no!
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If this had been reported 3 hrs later, there would be no question that it was DCL's authority and responsibility to investigate the incident. DCL security personell investigate all kinds of incidents every day they are at sea. They are trained to do investigations and they are trained in law enforcement. This only issue is one of jurisdiction. All security issues on the ship must include the ship's security. Local law enforcement can't even get on the ship unless they go thru the ships security personell. This was not an emergency situation. Although people are talking about it like it was. This was alledged inapropiate touching and required an investigation. Had they called the cops in PC they might have shown up an hour or so later. They would have to be allowed on the ship by the ship security and they would have had to be escorted and guided by security to go view the tape and taken by security to question the child. This was an incident that requied an investigationa and that what the ships security did.

Bottom line is, if you don't trust the ship's security officers to do their job then you should not cruise because once you are at sea, there is no 911 call to get a cop.
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I am going to bail out of this discussion b/c I am just shocked at the few of you with your rose colored glasses. Baffling.
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I am going to bail out of this discussion b/c I am just shocked at the few of you with your rose colored glasses. Baffling.
I'm not sure who is actually wearing rose colored glasses. I live in the real world and presented very real world information. Facts and data. An incident occured, DCL investigated and dealt with the issue. The fact that the victim did not want to press charges is frustrating because this prevert is stil out there. But that was the fault of the victim....or rather her grandparents.
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I'm not sure the outcome would have been any different even if Disney had stayed put and called the police.

What happened was awful, but since when does anyone to to jail for what this man did? He would have been read Miranda rights and appointed a lawyer. There would probably be no confession. And this video seems unlikely to result in a conviction without a confession. Because he is not a US citizen the odds are he would have been deported as part of any process in the US. Same result - whether or not it seems the result is fair.
It is hard to predict what the final outcome would be, but the penalty in fl for his actions against a child under 12 is 25 to life. We do know that the girl's story as documented in the incident report, plus the video, are enough to warrant an investigation. We don't know what additional video there is or what the suspect would have admitted to in the US or what a proper police investigation would have turned up. Were DCL staff aware of other incidents like this? No way to know, because DCL avoided an investigation.

For those saying the family didn't want to press charges, this is really irrelevant to the discussion and doesnt negate DCL's culpability. The grandmother may not have been informed what the possible penalties were under Florida law and mistakenly assumed, as some have here, that nothing would happen. Or maybe she thought the child would have to testify in court and wanted to avoid that. We don't know what they would have decided if they had been properly informed of their rights. I am not faulting the family for anything. I applaud them for immediately bringing the issue to DCL and from that point, DCL is responsible for reporting this. It should have been up to the Bravard County police officers and prosecuting attorney to decide if they had enough evidence to prosecute.

The Dream may have their own law officers and brig, but they are subject to US laws while in port. If Disney is made aware of a crime, they have a legal and moral obligation to report it immediately. They didn't. I find that abhorrent.
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I am going to bail out of this discussion b/c I am just shocked at the few of you with your rose colored glasses. Baffling.
I'm not sure about rose colored glasses.... I sit reading court records for a guy who admits much worse on a girl the same age and his charges ALL of them were nolle prossed.... and he is far from the minority.... rose colored would be to believe that the police in port guaranteed would do better or it would gave been prosecuted. Of course it is easy for officials to say of course we would prosecute.... not defending DCL but not hanging them either.
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I am going to bail out of this discussion b/c I am just shocked at the few of you with your rose colored glasses. Baffling.
I agree.
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I'm not sure who is actually wearing rose colored glasses. I live in the real world and presented very real world information. Facts and data. An incident occured, DCL investigated and dealt with the issue. The fact that the victim did not want to press charges is frustrating because this prevert is stil out there. But that was the fault of the victim....or rather her grandparents.
This is completely offensive and WRONG. Ethically and legally, DCL was in the wrong by not reporting this to the local police. What does it matter if their officers are "packing" if they are using their authority to aid and abet pedophiles escaping justice?

Whose word do we have that the grandparents decided not to press charges? Only DCL's. So they (DCL) decided police don't get to investigate based on that? No. That's not their prerogative.

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If this had been reported 3 hrs later, there would be no question that it was DCL's authority and responsibility to investigate the incident. DCL security personell investigate all kinds of incidents every day they are at sea. They are trained to do investigations and they are trained in law enforcement. This only issue is one of jurisdiction. All security issues on the ship must include the ship's security. Local law enforcement can't even get on the ship unless they go thru the ships security personell. This was not an emergency situation. Although people are talking about it like it was. This was alledged inapropiate touching and required an investigation. Had they called the cops in PC they might have shown up an hour or so later. They would have to be allowed on the ship by the ship security and they would have had to be escorted and guided by security to go view the tape and taken by security to question the child. This was an incident that requied an investigationa and that what the ships security did.

Bottom line is, if you don't trust the ship's security officers to do their job then you should not cruise because once you are at sea, there is no 911 call to get a cop.
1. It didn't happen at sea 3 hours later, it happened in port several hours before sail away.
2. The ship's security officers didn't prevent this crime, they didn't report it, and they hustled a known child assaulter off the ship in the Bahamas and paid his fare home so he could avoid investigation and prosecution in the us, where the crime occurred. How can this be considered doing their jobs?
3. I'm not sure what you mean by acting like it was an emergency. I do think they should have acted like it was a crime. I don't think he should have been airlifted off the boat, but I do think this should have been reported to the right authorities in a timely manner.
4. I don't know how long the police would take to arrive, nor does that even make a difference here other than to provide motive for DCL's coverup.
5. Previously I did trust in DCL. That trust has been shaken and if they don't answer for this and change their policies to protect children, then you're right, I shouldn't cruise with them again. and I won't. But that doesn't mean I don't have a right to question their actions in this matter.
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This is completely offensive and WRONG. Ethically and legally, DCL was in the wrong by not reporting this to the local police. What does it matter if their officers are "packing" if they are using their authority to aid and abet pedophiles escaping justice?

Whose word do we have that the grandparents decided not to press charges? Only DCL's. So they (DCL) decided police don't get to investigate based on that? No. That's not their prerogative.

I'm sorry you find that offensive. I've tried to stick to the facts and keep the emotions out of it.

Guest services notified: 3:03
Security called at 3:22
Tape viewed: 4:48
Ship sailed: 5:02

I doubt DCL is not under a legal obligation to "immediately notify local law enforcement" before they do a preliminary investigation...anymore than Walmart has a legal obligation to report illegal activity in their store before doing a preliminary investigation.

Had the timeline been 14 minutes later it would clearly fall on ship's security. Ships security deal with hundreds of issues and allegations but don't dial 911 becuase most of the time they are at sea.
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If this had been reported 3 hrs later, there would be no question that it was DCL's authority and responsibility to investigate the incident. DCL security personell investigate all kinds of incidents every day they are at sea. They are trained to do investigations and they are trained in law enforcement. This only issue is one of jurisdiction. All security issues on the ship must include the ship's security. Local law enforcement can't even get on the ship unless they go thru the ships security personell. This was not an emergency situation. Although people are talking about it like it was. This was alledged inapropiate touching and required an investigation. Had they called the cops in PC they might have shown up an hour or so later. They would have to be allowed on the ship by the ship security and they would have had to be escorted and guided by security to go view the tape and taken by security to question the child. This was an incident that requied an investigationa and that what the ships security did.
Really? An 11 year old child was sexually assaulted in a place with MANY more children. The man was free on the ship for another 4 hours after this altercation (at least 2 hours after he was identified) so the victim and every other passenger were in danger of coming in contact with this man. I could care less where the ship was when it happened on this point. DCL security failed in that they did not immediately detain their employee as soon as they had identification!

I guess you could say lucky for DCL that the victim is not a US citizen (assuming) in that they are not required to contact the FBI regardless of where the crime occurred for a non-citizen.
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