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Old 05-21-2013, 03:43 PM   #76
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There are thousands of lawyers who would LOVE to get a chance at a big DCL settlement and would take their case or your case pro bono in a NY minute if they thought there was chance of winning. I work for a large corporation and can tell you, there are lawers who will sue at the drop of a hat if there is even a remote chance of winning.
In my case I didn't want to sue. My trip was ruined on day one with 3 broken ribs and a sprained wrist due to CM negligence. Even half a cruise credit would have made me not feel so bitter....although I am cruising DCL again, so I'm obviously not holding a grudge. But in this little girl's case, they might not even know where to begin any kind of process.
I'm also leaning toward believing that DCL may have paid for their cruise, which for them might have been enough to feel like putting it in the past and moving on.
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If this had happened on another cruise line and had been posted here, we'd see 20+ pages of outraged posts by now.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:53 PM   #78
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There is really nothing in the video that conclusively depicts any criminal conduct, and the criminal conduct was not established until the suspect confessed to the Bahamian police the following day. At that point, the grandmother (for reasons known only to her) chose not to pursue the prosecution (a prerequisite). DCL then apparently followed protocol and his contract and shipped him back to India.

Although the video appears to show something inappropriate, it really shows nothing. Did the suspect lean in because the victim was crying or asking for help? Was there someone else in the elevator he was addressing or assisting? Did a panel in the elevator swing loose and strike the girl in the face so he leaned in to assist? We now know that this wasn't the case, but DCL, fourteen minutes before it was scheduled to depart, did not and really could not confirm it through the video.

Don't forget, these local "investigative reporters" tend to be sensationalists and present their stories in the most damning manner to the entity or person being "investigated." They do not make a living by being "fair" or presenting both (or multiple) sides to a story.

As stated above, the accusations did confirm the initial complaint, but only because of the suspect's confession, at which point DCL did exactly what was required of it. An unfortunate situation all the way around. Thankfully, he is gone. But criminal activity can occur in almost any setting, particularly one involving 3500 people in a confined area where children are present.
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It seems to me that local authorities should have been called when she went to guest services, which was around 3pm. I don't see why it is DCLs job to investigate an alleged crime over the police. They could have called police and then started their own investigation on the side. I also don't understand why the guy wasn't held onboard and turned over to PC police when the cruise ended. And I completely agree with the PP that said if this were another cruise line there would be 25 pages of criticism by now.
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It seems to me that local authorities should have been called when she went to guest services, which was around 3pm. I don't see why it is DCLs job to investigate an alleged crime over the police. They could have called police and then started their own investigation on the side. I also don't understand why the guy wasn't held onboard and turned over to PC police when the cruise ended. And I completely agree with the PP that said if this were another cruise line there would be 25 pages of criticism by now.
That's where my disgust comes in. Instead of calling authority or holding the CM until they could get to authorities, they took it upon themselves to let the guy go. Sorry I don't believe they followed any Disney rules for letting the guy go. What if this guy raped this little girl or murdered her? Would they have followed the same course of actions? IMO, they wanted this guy and this incident to go away. So they made it happen. Like I said disgusting.

Also so what if the grandmother didn't want to press charges? Maybe she was pressed by Disney not to? Regardless of her reasons, like Disney it's not her call to make in criminal cases.
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i don't know, as someone said in a pp, there is a chain of command and there are steps that need to be taken. i'm not so sure that the time line allowed for reporting before sailing.
the girl and gm went to guest services at 3:03
security was called and started to investigate at 3:22
at 3:57 the girl walked secruity to the elevator
the security officer then reviewed the tape
at 4:48 the tape was shown to the dinning room manager
at 5:02 the ship sailed
being that there would have been conversations with everyone involved it is not beyond scope that the ship would sail without the captain knowing what was going on.
and if the person were NOT guilty and they would have been handed over to the police to talk with this thread would be a brow beat of that event.
do i think that it was handled properly? well, it could have been handled differently but it probably was handled properly. do i think disney did their best to control the situation? yes.
"The suspect continued to roam the ship until 7:50 p.m., when he was called to the security office and, under questioning, denied molesting the girl, according to the DCL report. He was then “removed from the floor” and, apparently, kept from encountering children."
innocent till proven guilty is our way is it not? he was handed over to police, maybe not the way we would have like him to be but he was handed over.
this is a crime that should be punished to the fullest! today we can't change that its not. one day we will.
it always amazes me that people let younger children roam the ship alone. we get so comfortable with the people on the ship yet we don't know them, not truly. and as much as disney is named it could be any cruise line, children roam alone on them all. some people are happy this one is a disney ship. one more good blow to the big bad corporation. lets keep prospective. its a crime that took place on a cruise ship in an industry that could use stricter guidelines. i just hope we learn from it and take better care of the little ones we love.
I agree with all of this!
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When I worked for an air ambulance company, we never had a patient "die" on our aircraft either. The reason being that a nurse, EMT or paramedic can't legally call time of death in emergency transport, only a doctor can, this may also apply in Disney. So, while it sure sounds good as a criticism, legally it's how it has to be.
As a former WDW CM, this is the explanation we were given.
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If and when the captain learned of the incident the boat should've returned to PC - period.

They return to PC when a medical issue occurs in shortly after departing, they should've done it here as well.
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Just read through the entire thread, and I am amazed that people are still defending DCL.

1. A crime was commited and reported in US territory territory well over 1 hour prior to departure.

2. At first report, there should have been a call to FL authorities.

3. Video clearly shows the CM blocking the elevator so the child could not escape. Please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't unlawful detention tatamount to kidnapping? I have seen many cases where kidnapping charges have been added in this type of situation.

4. DCL should have restrained the CM until returning to PC to face charges instead of allowing Bahamian officials to make the decision. I would not be surprised if DCL did not flex their muscle to keep this incident quiet. I am sure Bahamian officials do not have any problem putting a few extra dollars in their pockets. If they would have brought back the CM to PC, the negative publicity of DCL's decision to sail away on time instead of turning the CM over to FL authorities and delaying departure would have damaged their family oriented reputation.
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In my case I didn't want to sue. My trip was ruined on day one with 3 broken ribs and a sprained wrist due to CM negligence. Even half a cruise credit would have made me not feel so bitter....although I am cruising DCL again, so I'm obviously not holding a grudge. But in this little girl's case, they might not even know where to begin any kind of process.
I'm also leaning toward believing that DCL may have paid for their cruise, which for them might have been enough to feel like putting it in the past and moving on.
Wow stace. That's horrible.

OT.

I had a friend on a carnival trip many years ago got hit on the head by a squeegee that was dropped from while an employee was trying to clean a window at the top of an atrium. He was passed out and out of commish for a couple days. As compensation Carnival have him 8 free cruises.
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Look, I can't really see any defense of DCL actions in this matter. I don't think there's a single guest on the ship that when asked,

" Do you mind if we leave 30 minutes late so that we can call the proper authorities and have a pedophile taken off the ship? " that
would have answered anything but, for god's sake YES!

This was a PR move, plain and simple. and it is gonna backfire in their faces - and no they won't reply to the issue, as their attorneys
will have advised them.

As for interpreting what happened on the video - leave that up to the authorities in FL. DCL could have easily gotten him back on
the ship later once the FL police & prosecutor had reviewed the videos and decided if he should be let go.

Geez, people, this is a CHILD victim. Pray yours isn't his next.
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And as is common for most pedophiles, this probably wasn't his first victim.

I do hold the Captain accountable for his decision not to return/delay the cruise.

Sickening.
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I'm assuming there is a camera inside of the elevator that caught more of the incident. Most elevators have security cameras inside.
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What I find disgusting is how quick people are to assume the worst. Read rhe whole thread. Disney did not make a decision to leave, a person did, the captain of the ship and/or port athorities. Did the captain know about the incident and investigation? We dont know. Did he decide to leave in attmpt to protect Disney? i seriouly doubt it. And speculating that he did is pure conjecture. What is disgusting is the assualt. There is no evidence that DCL did anything wrong. You can opine about what you think should have happened but you don't see all the cards....only an inconclusive video and what a reporter said. This happened over 2 hrs...the busiest 2 hrs of the cruise....just before departure during a safety dill and all the last minute logistics.

I understand people's knee jerk reaction as I had the sme reaction. But this is why we don't use lynch mobs to administer criminal justice and law enforcement.
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What I find disgusting is how quick people are to assume the worst. Read rhe whole thread. Disney did not make a decision to leave, a person did, the captain of the ship and/or port athorities. Did the captain know about the incident and investigation? We dont know. Did he decide to leave in attmpt to protect Disney? i seriouly doubt it. And speculating that he did is pure conjecture. What is disgusting is the assualt. There is no evidence that DCL did anything wrong. You can opine about what you think should have happened but you don't see all the cards....only an inconclusive video and what a reporter said. This happened over 2 hrs...the busiest 2 hrs of the cruise....just before departure during a safety dill and all the last minute logistics.

I understand people's knee jerk reaction as I had the sme reaction. But this is why we don't use lynch mobs to administer criminal justice and law enforcement.
But....it wasn't Costa or Carnival who crashed that ship, either. It was the stupid Captain, yet posts everywhere... not just here....were crucifying Carnival. What's the difference?
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