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Old 05-19-2013, 09:35 AM   #16
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All true.

For me though, the fact remains that I like US, on an 8 day vacation I'll probably spend a day and a half there.

When I go to US, I ride the rides. I go from one ride to the next and nothing outside those attractions really has any draw for me.

I can spend all day walking around a DW park without even getting ON an attraction.

As I say, I agree with your assertion that "US and Disney are clearly locked in competition with each other."

But I believe that competition is only for a day and a half of my vacation.

For Disney Parks lovers, the other 5, 6 or 7 days aren't up for debate.
I wonder if this holds true going forward. As a Disney only kind of guy I have been surprised by all the kids, parents, and teachers at my building talking about Orlando in general and Disney as an add on. By far universal and IoA are talked about in more glowing terms. My colleagues rave about the resorts at universal. Also SeaWorld and discovery cove, and all the attractions connected. They are cobbling together experiences that don't focus on Disney.

And with Disney's obscene ticket prices, if you start planning 3 days at universal/IoA and two days at SeaWorld+, the week starts to fill up. I even saw there is complimentary transportation to Busch Gardens from SeaWorld. That is convenient.

I bought a 14 day pass for SeaWorld and Busch Gardens for an upcoming trip for $125.00. Last summer I finally visited IoA, and was blown away by the theming, food, and the look.

The city walk with the gorgeous lake and ferries going back and forth to the resorts. And next summer the hogwarts express connecting the two parks together.

I don't know, for 30 years I would have agreed with you, but now I am not sure.

By the way, the Port of Entry is one of the most amazingly themed areas I have ever seen.

I'll be this excited too about Disney in 2020 or whenever they get around to spending some of those record breaking profits on some new lands.
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I think that Disney will always stand out rather than Universal. When we went last summer to WDW, we stopped at US. we had all the family on my dads side with us, so we had to rent one of those huge vans. I'm not really a thrill ride person, so I didn't go on any of the rides. I also waited 90 mins for the Olivanders thing. HP world was a fun experience, just walking down The street and seeing all these things I recognize. But the other places weren't as crowded as HP world. I think the only reason people go is HP world. We were ready to go by 2 o clock. I think that whole Olivanders waiting thing was horrific. We waited 90 minutes in 90 degree weather. I think if Disney was faced. With that situation, they would have handled it differently. Disney probably would have made 2, like the Dumbo ride. I think Disney is more fun for me because there is things for all ages and a wide spectrum of rides to choose from.
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On my last trip to Orlando, I visited IoA for one whole day (though I wish I had gone into Universal Studios as well, so my view is not based on the entirety of Universal as I haven't been to US in several years)...and I spent the rest of my time in Disney, and here are a few thoughts:

Wizarding World really does live up to all the hype, and I for one though it was spectacular. The attention to detail and the immersive feeling were great and the Forbidden Journey ride alone made the whole thing worth it. I will join others who claim it is the best ride ever, because I truly feel like it is the best ride I have ever been on in my life (and I am HUGE HUGE Disney World fan).
What I thought was really interesting was the fact that now the "magical" edge that Disney has always had may not be as completely totally unique to Disney anymore with the magical aspects of HP (I mean obviously the true Disney magic is completely one of a kind and could never ever be replaced, I will always attest to that). I just feel that after having seen Wizarding World, and with the future of Hogwarts Express,etc. on the way, Disney does need to step up their game. And think, people ADORE Harry Potter, it is beloved, so there is that character attachment thing that Disney has, as well. Honestly, the rest of Islands Of Adventure to me was really not a huge draw. Yes, I love Jurassic Park, yes I like the whimsy of Dr. Seuss and the humor of all the classic cartoon characters, and I'm assuming US does a good job with resorts, shopping, walkways as some people have been mentioning....BUT I don't get any special feeling walking around and there never seems to be a sentiment or feeling that binds everything together like with Disney.

So in sum, Disney wins in terms of making people feel attached, but Universal is completely on par with Disney in terms of technology and now with HP, detail.

With how innovative, creative, and thoughtful Disney's cast members and imagineers are, it just surprises me that something big hasn't been done yet in the last several years. I know I don't understand the finances behind it, so maybe I'm wrong, but besides the different additions over the years to the 4 parks, there hasn't been a real linchpin for Disney to speak of in terms of progress and keeping the competitive edge. Obviously I know Disney doesn't have to worry, they are raking in the dough, but I feel one day in the future, they will really be behind.
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Agreed. Disney also follows this philosophy by reducing the pricing on park admission when multiple days are purchased. Why pay full price admission at Universal for a day, when the remaining days on your Disney tickets are reduced in price. Keeps people in their parks rather than spending a day or two at Universal, for which they can now spend money on food and merchandise.

Living here in Orlando, Disney was VERY concerned when HP opened and the line to get into the HP area was so long it stretched out the park and into the City Walk area. Now Universal is expanding HP into the studios park and will connect the two via Hogwarts express. Universal will likely offer a ticket package that includes both parks so people can traverse the two HP lands, keeping them at the Universal parks longer.

This MIGHT be the reason we have seen Disney open up the purse strings a bit more lately with all the IP acquisitions (Avatar, Marvel, Star Wars...).

Of course, attendance at the Disney parks has been up (at least MK, not sure about the others), so they are doing something right. We enjoy going to Disney a lot, but as the kids are getting a bit older, they have now expressed interest in the Universal parks for the thrill rides offered.
For what it's worth, 2 of those aquisitions had absolutely nothing to do with the Theme Park Potential. Marvel and Star Wars were aquired simply due to the existing (and future) Studio and Merchandising components. The Theme Park side is/was a distant afterthought in those decisions. Disney can't even do anything with the Marvel aquisition in the Florida parks because of the pre-existing Universal License agreement, so it's pretty obvious it wasn't a deciding factor in the aquisition decision.

Avatar however was purely a Theme Park right's aquisition, and likely the closest we'll get to a response to the Harry Potter license at Universal. Even still, I believe Avatar's whole conservation message which was present in the story was an extremely good fit with the existing Animal Kingdom conservation message and therefor I could've seen it happening with or without Harry Potter across town.

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I agree with the "atmosphere" vs "thrill" therory! We have not been to US in about 10 years. We always say this year we are going to go but when it comes down to it we as a family are not willing to give up a day at Disney! We travel from Michigan to vacation in Orlando. We have stayed for three weeks before and spent every day at Disney. We have never run out of things to see or do. When my oldest daughter was 18 she was afraid Disney would not be the same for her. She said when we walked in the park she felt the "Magic" right away. It was amazing She said it still gave her chills. The atmosphere of "Pure Disney" is felt when you walk onto the property! We could just sit on a bench all day at HS and watch the street shows. The little things they do.... really do put them over the top. That is our family opinion. Those little details are the things that have us coming back two or three times a year! Every time we go the last thing we do is see the light parade and the fireworks show at MK. Then we say good bye until the next trip. (We always have the next trip planned ) With that being said I am glad that there are choices in the area for everyone. Everyone has a different view on what they want out of their vacation. I would say whatever your choice Disney or Universal your are going to have a great time!
If you haven't been to the Universal resort in 10 years, You REALLY should give it another shot. With the new ownership Universal has dramatically upped their game from where they were in the late 90's/early 00's. If you go in with even a somewhat opened mind I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at what you can discover there.



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I think that Disney will always stand out rather than Universal. When we went last summer to WDW, we stopped at US. we had all the family on my dads side with us, so we had to rent one of those huge vans. I'm not really a thrill ride person, so I didn't go on any of the rides. I also waited 90 mins for the Olivanders thing. HP world was a fun experience, just walking down The street and seeing all these things I recognize. But the other places weren't as crowded as HP world. I think the only reason people go is HP world. We were ready to go by 2 o clock. I think that whole Olivanders waiting thing was horrific. We waited 90 minutes in 90 degree weather. I think if Disney was faced. With that situation, they would have handled it differently. Disney probably would have made 2, like the Dumbo ride. I think Disney is more fun for me because there is things for all ages and a wide spectrum of rides to choose from.
The problem is that a large part of the reason Universal ended up getting the license was that they agreed to follow JK's vision of the area a lot more than what Disney was going to agree too. JK had a pretty good idea of what she wanted in her head.....which included the details such as the small "intimate" stores....such as Olivanders. Disney came straight out and was telling her "We can't do it because we need to provide space for more people to Buy stuff", so she went across town to Universal.

And I'll agree with your feeling that for first time (or first time in a long time) visitors, HP is a primary reason people go to IOA. I do believe though that many of those people are happy with what they discover the rest of the park contains after their arrival and can easily spend a full day there if they wanted.

Universal does have a large variety of attractions for all types of attraction riders. You have the high end coasters like the Dragons and Hulk, the simulator/ride type attractions like Forbidden journey and Spiderman. Water rides like Popeye, Jurrasic Park, and Dudley Doright, kiddie Coasters like Hypogryph, and "kid friendly" attractions like the Storm Force Acceltron [teacups], and pretty much everything in the Suess Area. the way I see it, Universal has a pretty good distribution across the entire spectrum of attractions for the different types of guests. Disney however tends to not have as many attractions at the top end of the spectrum, but has more in the lower end [omnimovers and boat rides like Small World and Pirates].
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I totally agree!! I am not a big thrill ride person and even though I've enjoyed US, Disney is my pick of ANY theme park in the country. When explaining it to many people that lump Disney into the same category as US, Six flags and local amusement parks, I explain that it is much, much more than just rides.

Disney is actually telling a story in every attraction that they have - and I emphasize attraction.. These are NOT just rides. The parks themselves are beautiful in their landscaping and design. I can actually sit at a bench and relax and take in the scenary. Nothing else compares!!
I am on your boat too. When I go to Six Flags to get my coaster fix, I talk about doing this ride and that ride. When I go to Disney, I say "attractions". In fact, what I have been doing with my sister in law as I explain things at DL since we are going there in Sept., I tell her about the "attractions", I try not to use the word "ride" LOL
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For what it's worth, 2 of those aquisitions had absolutely nothing to do with the Theme Park Potential. Marvel and Star Wars were aquired simply due to the existing (and future) Studio and Merchandising components. The Theme Park side is/was a distant afterthought in those decisions. Disney can't even do anything with the Marvel aquisition in the Florida parks because of the pre-existing Universal License agreement, so it's pretty obvious it wasn't a deciding factor in the aquisition decision.

Avatar however was purely a Theme Park right's aquisition, and likely the closest we'll get to a response to the Harry Potter license at Universal. Even still, I believe Avatar's whole conservation message which was present in the story was an extremely good fit with the existing Animal Kingdom conservation message and therefor I could've seen it happening with or without Harry Potter across town.
I knew about the Marvel restrictions regarding the Orlando area parks, but is that applicable to all the parks worldwide? I was not specific in my post, so I apologize for that (because I knew that Disney had license restrictions here, but I simply forgot when I posted).

Regarding Star Wars in the parks, I have no inside information, but have a hard time believing that Disney would pay over $4B for the rights to movies and merchandise without thought to the currently existing presence of Star Wars in HS. $4B is a lot of money and that does not even include the cost of making the movies, so the ROI for Disney would have to be astronomical without adding something to the parks. Perhaps it is wishful thinking on my part, but a Star Wars land seems like a perfect fit.
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I knew about the Marvel restrictions regarding the Orlando area parks, but is that applicable to all the parks worldwide? I was not specific in my post, so I apologize for that (because I knew that Disney had license restrictions here, but I simply forgot when I posted).

Regarding Star Wars in the parks, I have no inside information, but have a hard time believing that Disney would pay over $4B for the rights to movies and merchandise without thought to the currently existing presence of Star Wars in HS. $4B is a lot of money and that does not even include the cost of making the movies, so the ROI for Disney would have to be astronomical without adding something to the parks. Perhaps it is wishful thinking on my part, but a Star Wars land seems like a perfect fit.
Disney is free to do anything Marvel they want to do anywhere not covered by the existing universal Deal which gives them exclusive rights "East of the Mississippi".


As for Disney not doing anything in the parks with the rights now that they have them.... well, I'm not sure I would go that far. I will however say that the theme park possibilities were not a deciding factor in dropping the $4b for the properties. It's just like the Theme Park possibilities where not a deciding factor for Marvel.


With Marvel, It was almost entirely due to the existing film properties. Between IronMan, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, etc, And the related merchandise, Disney wanted a piece of that movie pie. Add to that the large existing library of Television and animated shows which Disney was able to immediately leverage as they rebranded ToonDisney to the boy-focused DisneyXD cable network [ which was designed to help counter the fact that the Disney Channel had become very girl-centric in it's programming and merchandising]. That were the deciding factors in Disney dropping the money for the Marvel deal.


With Star Wars, Remember, Disney didn't just buy Star Wars. They bought the entire Lucasfilm empire. That included properties such as Star Wars and Indiana Jones. The Lucasfilm Studio, the Skywalker Sound and Industrial Light and Magic production houses (both leaders in their respective fields)....including any IP or Patents they've developed in their fields over the decades.... LucasArts game studio (Which Disney has since shuttered.... but at one time was an industry leader in it's own right, including many unique IP properties before they ended up morphing into the Star Wars Video Game company)... etc. With the Star Wars properties though, For years Star Wars has been a money printing press with all the licensing, merchandising, and spinoffs (games, TVs, Books). This was the primary motivation for Disney. Also the potential upside of the new films is Huge, especially when you look at how well Episodes 1-3 did despite being generally thought of as being a shadow of the quality of the original episodes 4-6. If 7-9 can be anywhere near 4-6 in quality and fan acceptance Disney can easily be looking at getting the entire investment paid off.


Here's one way to look at it. Disney spends $4b on the Marvel properties. The first film released under complete Disney control ends up making over $2b by itself..... and there are more films to come, a new TV spinoff, and of course, all the existing merchandising and licensing revenues.

The Entire Theme Park revenue for NBCUniversal a couple years ago was in the neighborhood of $800mil. This included EVERYTHING, including their hotels and all their parks around the world. Out of all the revenue generating aspects of the Universal Theme Park division, the Marvel Super Hero Island is an EXTREMELY small part of the overall pie. It's not very hard to read into this and determine that if the theme park rights were a leading justification for the Marvel purchase, then the purchase price would've been MUCH MUCH lower because of the time it would've taken to get a ROI based off the potential theme park based revenues.

It's the same thing with the Lucas acquisition. The potential revenue bump by the Star Wars properties would be miniscule in comparison to the other ways to monetize the properties. With the kind of money involved in these acquisitions, it'd have been impossible to justify them if we were looking primarily at the theme parks as the beneficiary of the transactions.
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It's the same thing with the Lucas acquisition. The potential revenue bump by the Star Wars properties would be miniscule in comparison to the other ways to monetize the properties. With the kind of money involved in these acquisitions, it'd have been impossible to justify them if we were looking primarily at the theme parks as the beneficiary of the transactions.
True. But that has not stopped Disney before. Perhaps $4B is quite easy to make back with media and merchandise. However, Disney has spent money on expansion in the past without only limiting themselves to the best and highest ROI, but rather adding to it. The New Fantasy Land comes to mind, where Disney stated that a driving force behind the expansion was to alleviate congestion in other areas of the park. New Rapunzel bathrooms - without a gift shop no less - do not pay back the cost of construction (especially since there were bathrooms right across the walkway - which I believe will be converted into the new Peter Pan interactive queue area).

Once again, perhaps it is wishful thinking on my part, but if I was Disney and looking at HS expansion to alleviate other congested areas (or just to get park attendance numbers up) and had the Star Wars IP in my pocket, that would be my route. As you stated, Star Wars is a money making machine even with sub-par episodes I, II and III. Of course, this presumes that Disney is looking to expand HS in the first place.
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True. But that has not stopped Disney before. Perhaps $4B is quite easy to make back with media and merchandise. However, Disney has spent money on expansion in the past without only limiting themselves to the best and highest ROI, but rather adding to it. The New Fantasy Land comes to mind, where Disney stated that a driving force behind the expansion was to alleviate congestion in other areas of the park. New Rapunzel bathrooms - without a gift shop no less - do not pay back the cost of construction (especially since there were bathrooms right across the walkway - which I believe will be converted into the new Peter Pan interactive queue area).

Once again, perhaps it is wishful thinking on my part, but if I was Disney and looking at HS expansion to alleviate other congested areas (or just to get park attendance numbers up) and had the Star Wars IP in my pocket, that would be my route. As you stated, Star Wars is a money making machine even with sub-par episodes I, II and III. Of course, this presumes that Disney is looking to expand HS in the first place.

Oh! Don't think for a second I'm saying they won't use the properties in the themeparks. I fully believe that they wouldn't hesitate for a second if they had a project they were working on and wanted a theme to wrap around it.

New Fantasyland was designed to help increase park capacity (help avoid capacity closures on those super busy days by increasing the number of people you can fit in there)... and table service capacity (with a real location in the park for the TS credit, maybe they won't resort to turning the old Tomorrowland Terrace CS location into a "TS Buffet" during the summer months).

And the Bathrooms? eh.... That can EASILY be seen as a fix for an existing problem....namely the MAJOR bottleneck between fantasyland and Liberty Square that would become a nightmare during busy...and not so busy times of year. and Bonus.... Larger (& newer) bathrooms which free up space for more "Nextgen interactive elements" as part of the overall nextgen plans at Peter Pan... you know... so people don't complain so much about the 2hr standby times..... And places guests can stop and charge their devices they'll be using in the park with the Nextgen Initiative.


Again.... lately I'm seeing even most of Disney's construction projects as attempts to resolve issues that are losing them money.

1. DVC... Always a cash cow.

2. Art of Animation? site prep and some construction already done, so cheaper to finish building. the Large number of Family Suites helped Disney meet the 1 onsite room need that they were lacking inventory in..... the inexpensive (for disney) onsite room that could sleep more than 4 people.

3. New Fantasyland? People Eater and the ability to squeeze more people into the MK...the only park that will regularly reach capacity closures on busier days and times of year. [money left on the table if people can't get in the park]. Added a TS restaurant in the park as the MK was severly lacking in TS options, resulting in annoyed DDP guests and non DDP guests going to the cheaper QS locations since they couldn't get a TS meal. Also......New Merch possibilities galore!

4. Bathrooms? As mentioned... clears a bottleneck which could easily also be seen as a safety hazard, and provides newer and nicer bathrooms for the guests in the park to use. provides space for guests to charge their mobile devices which they'll be using thruout the day as part of the nextgen plans. Old Restroom space could also easily be repurposed for more Peter Pan Queue space to help avoid spillover in the narrow path between Peter Pan and Small World. [already further constricted by Stroller Parking]

5. Pandora (avatar) expansion at Animal Kingdom? Do you even have to ask? Many guests feel they can skip this park or it's only worth a 1/2 day due to the lack of activities within the park. They can't afford to close Everest, Dinosaur, kali, or even the Safari for any length of time due to the lack of attraction capacity to absorb the lost capacity from the closed attraction. Not enough to do or see in the park after dark currently to make it worth keeping the park opened late. Pandora could help fix all these issues by adding more attraction capacity to the park, adding space away from the safari and overnight animal houses for a "final goodnight" for the AK park that many guests feel is missing. And could become a "must see" after dark experience due to the nighttime lighting/themeing.

6. Possible DTD/Disney Springs Project? Currently large parts of DTD are a virtual Ghost town. Parking and access are a nightmare during large portions of the day. There are so many issues currently at the DTD complex that it's practically gotten to the point that they need to be addressed in a major way soon or they risk losing any chance at salvaging it. Also.... Again... with Nextgen and the attempts to keep guest from exploring things offsite, They need to have a functional nightlife/shopping/food/entertainment option for the onsite guests.
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Again.... lately I'm seeing even most of Disney's construction projects as attempts to resolve issues that are losing them money.
Agreed. I guess I am presuming that HS falls into that category and needs some update/expansion to keep guests not only in the park, but also away from the congested "other side" of the park. Your comments on Animal Kingdom equate (in my mind at least) to HS as being only a 1/2 day park.
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Oh! Don't think for a second I'm saying they won't use the properties in the themeparks. I fully believe that they wouldn't hesitate for a second if they had a project they were working on and wanted a theme to wrap around it.

New Fantasyland was designed to help increase park capacity (help avoid capacity closures on those super busy days by increasing the number of people you can fit in there)... and table service capacity (with a real location in the park for the TS credit, maybe they won't resort to turning the old Tomorrowland Terrace CS location into a "TS Buffet" during the summer months).

And the Bathrooms? eh.... That can EASILY be seen as a fix for an existing problem....namely the MAJOR bottleneck between fantasyland and Liberty Square that would become a nightmare during busy...and not so busy times of year. and Bonus.... Larger (& newer) bathrooms which free up space for more "Nextgen interactive elements" as part of the overall nextgen plans at Peter Pan... you know... so people don't complain so much about the 2hr standby times..... And places guests can stop and charge their devices they'll be using in the park with the Nextgen Initiative.


Again.... lately I'm seeing even most of Disney's construction projects as attempts to resolve issues that are losing them money.

1. DVC... Always a cash cow.

2. Art of Animation? site prep and some construction already done, so cheaper to finish building. the Large number of Family Suites helped Disney meet the 1 onsite room need that they were lacking inventory in..... the inexpensive (for disney) onsite room that could sleep more than 4 people.

3. New Fantasyland? People Eater and the ability to squeeze more people into the MK...the only park that will regularly reach capacity closures on busier days and times of year. [money left on the table if people can't get in the park]. Added a TS restaurant in the park as the MK was severly lacking in TS options, resulting in annoyed DDP guests and non DDP guests going to the cheaper QS locations since they couldn't get a TS meal. Also......New Merch possibilities galore!

4. Bathrooms? As mentioned... clears a bottleneck which could easily also be seen as a safety hazard, and provides newer and nicer bathrooms for the guests in the park to use. provides space for guests to charge their mobile devices which they'll be using thruout the day as part of the nextgen plans. Old Restroom space could also easily be repurposed for more Peter Pan Queue space to help avoid spillover in the narrow path between Peter Pan and Small World. [already further constricted by Stroller Parking]

5. Pandora (avatar) expansion at Animal Kingdom? Do you even have to ask? Many guests feel they can skip this park or it's only worth a 1/2 day due to the lack of activities within the park. They can't afford to close Everest, Dinosaur, kali, or even the Safari for any length of time due to the lack of attraction capacity to absorb the lost capacity from the closed attraction. Not enough to do or see in the park after dark currently to make it worth keeping the park opened late. Pandora could help fix all these issues by adding more attraction capacity to the park, adding space away from the safari and overnight animal houses for a "final goodnight" for the AK park that many guests feel is missing. And could become a "must see" after dark experience due to the nighttime lighting/themeing.

6. Possible DTD/Disney Springs Project? Currently large parts of DTD are a virtual Ghost town. Parking and access are a nightmare during large portions of the day. There are so many issues currently at the DTD complex that it's practically gotten to the point that they need to be addressed in a major way soon or they risk losing any chance at salvaging it. Also.... Again... with Nextgen and the attempts to keep guest from exploring things offsite, They need to have a functional nightlife/shopping/food/entertainment option for the onsite guests.

You hit it all right on the button!

Iger came in and to make the bottom line good great, thought he could just sit back, reduce costs, maintenance, refit and new projects and ride.

He found out that people expected more from Disney and his plan started to show cracks. Now we see the massive influx of renewed maintenance and upkeep, and projects starting down the pike!

Just a old ex deep water sailors opinion.

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I don't compare the 2 parks at all because in my mind, they are 2 totally different experiences.

Wizarding World of HP is just absolutely fantastic. We LOVED the Simpson's ride, Spiderman, The Mummy and of course The Forbidden Journey. I also loved the Dr. Seuss part of the park because the theme and colors are spectacular. We spent 2 days at US last year and loved every minute of it.

At Disney we had a totally different experience. We love the rides there too and LOVE the food and the character experiences. I will keep getting my picture taken with princesses until I'm in a hole in the ground.

Both will have to keep coming up with new ideas to keep us all coming back year after year. My family will keep going to both parks as long as there is something there we want to experience. I love that they both try so hard
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I haven't read all the response - but to the OP - this is similar to what I've been saying all along.

Disney doesn't try to compete with the THRILL market, they never did. Universal aims for thrills. It's target audience is teens and young adults. With the purchase of Harry Potter, really the first family oriented theme they've had.

Disney aims for the family. They want to bring the little kids, the parents, the grandparents together for the experience. They have pretty much decided that Universal can have the THRILL-seekers.

That said, I still think Disney WORLD is lagging behind in innovations. Go to DLR and ride Radiator Spring Racers. THAT was truly a stunning ride, even though it is not really a thrill ride. Disney needs to put more of that into Florida.
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In short, does it make sense to view Disney's strategy as focusing on *experience* vs. US focusing on *entertainment*?
I completely agree with this. Over the last few years, my family has gone to US more than Disney (not something I agreed with, but everybody liked the rides and the Fastpasses) and I can honestly say that customer service is what differentiates Disney from Universal. Friendly CM's play a major role in this. The employees at Universal are some of the rudest people I've ever met - I once asked a simple question about a line at a WWOHP ride and the girl was rude, unhelpful, and yelled at me, which was completely uncalled for. The fact that Universal is investing so much money in WWOHP shows that they are more interested in short-term investing than the long run. Disney is (hopefully) making more strategic, long-term decisions. The new Fantasyland is based on Disney characters that have been around for a while and have maintained popularity historically. IMO, Harry Potter is just a fad for people my age...kids and older adults aren't really into it, and over time its popularity will decline.

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Of course, attendance at the Disney parks has been up (at least MK, not sure about the others), so they are doing something right.
This is completely hypothetical, but I think it's really smart for Disney to not only update stuff in the parks with their newer characters such as Rapunzel and Tiana, but to also build upon older characters/movies (Beauty and the Beast/Snow White, for example) because it hits people my age (early 20's) right in the nostalgia feels. I grew up on Disney - watched every Disney movie & sing-along, watched the Disney cartoon shows based on Little Mermaid & Aladdin, had all of the Disney princess Barbies, etc., so seeing stuff like Beast's castle brings back all of those childhood memories. Disney invested so much in us as kids, and I'm guessing they wanted a way to retain that audience.

Since most of the people my age are buried in student loan debt and living paycheck-to-paycheck with their entry level jobs, we can't exactly afford to take luxurious vacations to Disney every year at this point in our lives. But in a few years, all of the stuff they're doing will pay off when we have our own families and share our love of Disney with them. I know I'm gonna bring my kids to Disney the second they start walking!
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Not sure I understand talk of DAK closing early in the day because there isn't enough to do. My understanding is that the early closure and lack of fireworks/night show are both in place out of respect for the animals.

Do we really think AvatarLand will change that mandate?
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