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Old 05-10-2013, 12:05 PM   #46
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I'm a Disney stockholder. Your money went to me.

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Ahh, the I got mine attitude.

You're company lost out on $3500 of my money this year because of that attitude.

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Old 05-10-2013, 12:29 PM   #47
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Ahh, the I got mine attitude.
Oh, I suspect there are plenty of attitudes to go around...

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You're company lost out on $3500 of my money this year because of that attitude.
Making a broad assumption regarding your comments in other posts, I'm guessing you hoped to spend $3500 and rates quoted were closer to $4500.

Problem is there are others ready, willing and able to pay the $4500. If Disney were to discount to $3500 to earn YOUR money, they would also be losing a lot of OTHERS' money in the process.

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic. We all have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. But businesses assign value to their products and typically stand by that value.

Apple isn't going to sell me an iPad for $250 if they know they can get $500 for it. Doesn't matter that Amazon and a dozen others offer similar units for half the price.

Lexus isn't going to sell me a new car for $25K despite the availability of countless lower-priced options from Ford, Dodge, Kia, etc.

You can try to write folks off as sycophants or fanboys, but at the end of the day we all choose how to spend our own money--luxury cars, iPads, Disney trips...

If people weren't paying Disney's prices, they would be forced to lower the rates. IMO, you're barking up the wrong tree if you wish to portray every WDW guest as a lemming who blindly pays whatever price Disney demands. By all accounts the number of people willing to pay those prices is increasing, not decreasing.

As I've said, our family constantly tweaks our vacation planning to eliminate aspects which are now of questionable value (like character meals.) And if we feel the Disney park experience is vastly overpriced, we will simply stop going altogether.

Incidentally, we have a family of 4 and we spend far less than $3500 for a week at Walt Disney World. There are many ways to compromise without sacrificing the overall experience. If you wish to forego WDW and spend your money elsewhere, that's certainly your prerogative. Different strokes...
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:39 PM   #48
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Oh, I suspect there are plenty of attitudes to go around...
Yes I would say there are plenty of attitudes going around. Apparently speaking out against the disney company and their high prices gives me one.....

But whatever, I guess I should just remember where I'm posting at.

Quite frankly I'm getting tired of the long post by you trying to teach me about economics and business, I have a BSBA. I understand Business, Economics, and how they work. But I also have an understanding of what value is and what I'm getting in return for my money. For me, and from others I've spoken to, Disney is turning into a Low Value, High Cost product. Each person has a different perception of "value" and "cost", and that's fine.

Disney's revenue might be growing, but I don't think its growing like it could based on their decisions.

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Making a broad assumption regarding your comments in other posts, I'm guessing you hoped to spend $3500 and rates quoted were closer to $4500.
You're assumption is wrong, I have a budget of $3500 to spend on my vacation this year, the Disney trip that I quoted actually came pretty darn close to that, actually a tad bit under it. But I wasn't willing to pay that much for what I was getting in return.

Instead we are taking a 10 day trip to the beach and the mountains starting a week from today.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:40 PM   #49
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Did you order anything for your child at Ohana or did she merely eat the regular 'family style' table service offerings?

As I understand it, at 'family style' and buffet restaurants, kids under three get their own plate and drink and can eat any of the regular offerings. If you order anything special for them, however, you pay for it.

At traditional table service and QS restaurants, they can eat off your plate (literally) and you pay for their drink.
Nope, did not order her anything special.. She just ate the family style food that was brought to our table and drank the juice that was provided and water.

As for normal TS and QS I usually order her own meal off of the kids menu unless I am not particularly hungry, then we share..
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:54 PM   #50
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Disney is not an airline, though. How does Disney maintain their Guest-oriented approach without being overbearing in policies? Also, Disney hosts hundred of thousands of international each year. Most of these Guests are uneducated and book through a travel agent -- and we all know that travel agents always give their Guests accurate, complete information.
How does Disney maintain who it is in a new age? Finding a better solution that accommodates everyone.
International guests would have a passport.

Glad to hear it's not true, I think it would be incredibly silly of them to do it. Most theme parks do not charge for infants and toddlers, alienating that demographic wouldn't seem to be very wise.

If they were really worried about the under-three lawbreakers, asking for ID is the greatest way to prevent them from scamming the system.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:07 PM   #51
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Yes I would say there are plenty of attitudes going around. Apparently speaking out against the disney company and their high prices gives me one.....

But whatever, I guess I should just remember where I'm posting at.
You're entitled to your opinion and others are entitled to disagree.

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Quite frankly I'm getting tired of the long post by you trying to teach me about economics and business, I have a BSBA. I understand Business, Economics, and how they work.
Interesting, then, that you would make random assertions that Disney doesn't know how to run their own business.

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But I also have an understanding of what value is and what I'm getting in return for my money. For me, and from others I've spoken to, Disney is turning into a Low Value, High Cost product. Each person has a different perception of "value" and "cost", and that's fine.
Bingo.

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Disney's revenue might be growing, but I don't think its growing like it could based on their decisions.
Seriously??

Look, I'm not suggesting that Disney executives are omniscient. But they have access to decades of data on park attendance, hotel occupancy, average guest spending and more. They clearly know their business. And they're coming off of a quarter in which the theme park unit saw PROFITS increase by 74%.

You have a degree in business administration and without any first hand knowledge of Disney financials, you feel qualified to comment on their business strategies???

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You're assumption is wrong, I have a budget of $3500 to spend on my vacation this year, the Disney trip that I quoted actually came pretty darn close to that, actually a tad bit under it. But I wasn't willing to pay that much for what I was getting in return.

Instead we are taking a 10 day trip to the beach and the mountains starting a week from today.
And that's certainly your prerogative. Beaches and national parks don't typically have the same overhead as a theme park complex in terms of rides, shows, parades, fireworks displays, animal care and so on. So goes without saying those destinations are cheaper to patronize.

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Old 05-10-2013, 01:20 PM   #52
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Quite frankly I'm getting tired of the long post by you trying to teach me about economics and business, I have a BSBA. I understand Business, Economics, and how they work.
Then you realize that any business has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profitability for investors. This was demonstrated a few years ago when Michael Eisner eventually left the company following a resounding no confidence vote as CEO. It was because many stockholders and almost all fund managers didn't see what they considered adequate operating profits. It had nothing to do with his "losing the magic" or a perceived lack of pixie dust. Any company is now expected to maximize profit potential to please wall street or have their stock value plummet. True customer service is a casualty of profitability, as one of the easiest costs for any company to control is labor, fewer employees means higher profits. Also maximizing the sales price of products and services to whatever the market will bear is a fairly easy way to increase profits. With Disney, as well as other popular resort destinations, this is what they do unless they see a substantial drop in the number of visitors. We, as consumers, may not like the modern theory of free enterprise market concepts, but it will not change. You either pay the price, try to find some way to control costs like dining offsite, finding less expensive lodging (or using a timeshare) or find other vacation options.

I do have some Disney stock, and I'm happy the stock has finally recovered after years of it being undervalued, but as a Disney frequent guest I also understand your frustration with rising prices. But the cost of EVERYTHING, not just Disney vacations, is on the rise...have you been grocery shopping lately? And compare the cost of energy to 10 or 15 years ago. And my gosh, a landline phone, whether you use it or not, is $60 per month when it was $15 only about 15 years ago. The problem for most folks is that wages haven't gone up as much as the cost of everything else.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:24 PM   #53
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You're entitled to your opinion and others are entitled to disagree.
I get that, you've got yours and I've got mine, you just keep needling me because I have a different one than yours.

You know, it's ok for people to disagree on something.

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Interesting, then, that you would make random assertions that Disney doesn't know how to run their own business.
Never said that, just don't agree with it. There's NOTHING wrong me not agreeing with them either.

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Seriously??

Look, I'm not suggesting that Disney executives are omniscient. But they have access to decades of data on park attendance, hotel occupancy, average guest spending and more. They clearly know their business. And they're coming off of a quarter in which the theme park unit saw PROFITS increase by 74%.

You have a degree in business administration and without any first hand knowledge of Disney financials, you feel qualified to comment on their business strategies???
I feel I have the right to an opinion and have the right to say what I want, I've never said I know how to run their business better than they do. But I can tell you that I'm not the only one that because of inflated prices have decided to take a step back. To me, that says something as well.

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Beaches and national parks don't typically have the same overhead as a theme park complex in terms of rides, shows, parades, fireworks displays, animal care and so on. So goes without saying those destinations are cheaper to patronize.
Look, another attempt to "educate" me on business and economics........
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Wow. All of this over a rumor that has already been shown to not be true.

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Wow. All of this over a rumor that has already been shown to not be true.

half agree

I got charged $8 or $9 for my 2 year old at Ohana in December. So the rumor may hold some water. But all the bickering is a bit ridiculous.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:53 PM   #56
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Ahh, the I got mine attitude.

You're company lost out on $3500 of my money this year because of that attitude.

You'rewelcomeverymuch.
Disney's stock is up 33% again this year - same as last year. It's at an all-time high. I'm guessing they aren't missing your investment much. LOL

I think it's cute how some of you still think the main objective of the DIS conglomerate is to personally entertain you at whatever cost you deem reasonable. Disney is a mega-corporation and answers to its stockholders. The company's purpose is to make money. If Disney can make more money enticing people to their resorts by giving a 2 year old free food, they will do that. This thread was a cheap bait thread from the beginning so obviously Disney still believes that there's no reason to change their dining policies.

Personally, I love the Mouse, but he's a terrible cook, and I'd rather eat offsite than spend too much for substandard food - and that goes for my kids too.
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I wish there was a way to pay for buffets based on the amount you eat or the number of times you go through the line. My DH, who is a large man, makes sure he "gets his money's worth" no matter what. My two kids, however, (3 and 6) eat like birds so I end up paying kids' prices and they eat 2 grapes and a cookie. I guess for us it balances out because DH is getting a deal while the restaurant banks on the kids but it's still hard to pay knowing they're not going to eat!

Maybe the restaurant could give you a card and a server at the head of the line punches it each time you go through, then you pay based on punches! Even if you share with your kids off your own plate, you'll still have to go back through if you want more for yourself.

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half agree

I got charged $8 or $9 for my 2 year old at Ohana in December. So the rumor may hold some water. But all the bickering is a bit ridiculous.
There is a premium for people who go to character meals and don't eat. It's an "entertainment fee". That way they stop people from going to character meals just to meet the characters and not to eat. We were charged this fee for our 3-month-old a few years ago. Kind of funny since she slept through the whole meal but it was worth it to see our older daughter enjoying herself! :-)

As for all the drama regarding Disney's fees, seriously people. What part of "for profit company" is confusing?? As someone who frequently pays the EXORBITANT fees for Disney cruises, I have no problem paying more for a higher quality product, which I feel Disney provides. When I go to McDonald's, yes it annoys me that the person behind the counter checks his cell phone before grudgingly taking my order (and money) but I don't complain because I'm paying $20 for my family of 4 to eat. When I go to Disney, I expect (and almost always receive) a high level of service. If you don't feel comfortable paying for Disney, Universal has some new stuff opening up this year!
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For food, at least. No word on tickets. That's what I have been told from someone in the know.

There wll be a charge for those under 3 at all buffets and all you can eat type shows and meals like Ohana.

There will be no charge for sharing of food from plate at pay-per-food ordered at TS or QS restaurants-just like now.
THiS I will believe when I see it.
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There is a premium for people who go to character meals and don't eat. It's an "entertainment fee". That way they stop people from going to character meals just to meet the characters and not to eat. We were charged this fee for our 3-month-old a few years ago. Kind of funny since she slept through the whole meal but it was worth it to see our older daughter enjoying herself! :-)
I can understand what you are saying but it doesn't make sense for my situation.. My daughter did eat from the family style meal (nothing added or extra) and she was on the reservations.. Same thing at Crystal Palace a few months later but was not charged anything for her there..
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