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Old 05-03-2013, 11:53 AM   #16
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To the OP - don't be stressed. Not to be a shill for the folks that run this site (but I will be), the discounts and analysis of which is best are the reason you should use a travel agent like DUT. They stress it all the time on their podcast, that their folks can do the booking/re-booking to take advantage of things like "free" dining. It used to be good deal, but the way they've structured it, sometimes you're better off with a room discount, or a package plan. It's a lot of work to do the analysis. I'm also of the opinion that this is a "perk" that Disney is ultimately looking at letting go by the wayside in the near future. I'm surprised it's even on the table for this year. Attendance has been up.

Also, there's no such thing as a "perfect" trip. If you hoist all these expectations onto your trip, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. It's been 7 years since you've been - a lot has changed in that time. And a lot has changed in the last year or so alone. Touring the parks with kids (if you've never done it before) is an artform in and of itself. Prepare, plan, enjoy, but don't let the vision of an idyllic WDW vacation skew your good time. Standing in line in 100-degree heat (that's what it can feel like at times) for 30 minutes to get on the safari ride can be far from perfect. All worth it, but just not as utopian as the commercials would like you to believe.

Sorry for being a downer, just trying to help.
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:26 PM   #17
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I'm pretty certain that everyone that enjoys the free dining promotion is HOPING for it as opposed to DEMANDING it.

It is clearly a very effective promotion.
I agree ... Not a demand, I will be going either way....but definitely a plus!!!!
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:35 PM   #18
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I'm pretty certain that everyone that enjoys the free dining promotion is HOPING for it as opposed to DEMANDING it.

It is clearly a very effective promotion.
This is how I feel. I am really hoping for free dining in November, as it will allow me to afford to stay at a moderate and dine in more TS restaurants. However, we are still going on the trip whether we get it or not, just we will stay at a value and eat more QS.

However, that is not everyone's case. The OP has a family of five, and therefore prefers to stay in a moderate so that they only need to rent one hotel room. (Even the AofA "value" suites would cost significantly more.) The cost to her (and others) may be prohibitive to the point that they really CAN'T afford to go without a good discount/free dining. Free dining could save them $1000-$2000 versus no discount. (Or a 20% room discount that save them $350 instead of $1000+.) That could be the difference between going on the trip and not, and you can't deny that THAT could be causing stress. I don't think OP ever said she thought she "deserved" the discount.
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:29 PM   #19
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Occasionally there are some offers for free days, or kids stay and play free, or free dining. This is all marketing hype!

Disney World has three main profit and expense centers: the Parks, Food & Beverage, and Resorts (including transportation). Each of these has to make a profit. (Actually there are more, such as merchandise and sports, for example, but they don't really count for this discussion.)

The Parks, including the theme parks, water parks, Disney Quest, get their money from ticket sales. It does not matter if these tickets are sold at the gates, by phone or online, by the Resorts, or by wholesalers such as AAA, The Disney Store, or authorized resellers.

Food and Beverage is all dining locations property-wide, including from Victoria and Albert's down to the iced cream or other snack carts. All money taken in by the Dining Plan (any level) goes to F&M and then down to the individual locations depending on use by Plan Guests.

The Resorts have the most flexibility as far as prices are concerned. If they are offering free tickets, they still have to pay Park Operations for the tickets they sell. If they are offering free dining they still have to pay F&B for the dining plans. The only way they can do this is by adjusting the price of the rooms. And they do not stack discounts. So if you are getting "free dining", you are actually getting a discounted price on the room but paying for the dining.

This is why a person making a discounted reservation at an AP rate cannot get free dining,l the Resort still has to make money.
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:34 PM   #20
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The Resorts have the most flexibility as far as prices are concerned. If they are offering free tickets, they still have to pay Park Operations for the tickets they sell. If they are offering free dining they still have to pay F&B for the dining plans. The only way they can do this is by adjusting the price of the rooms. And they do not stack discounts. So if you are getting "free dining", you are actually getting a discounted price on the room but paying for the dining.
But then how do the resort make any money on free dining? If I am staying at a moderate with my wife and daughter, we are paying $180 a night for the room, but we are getting $165 worth of free dining per day. ($55 x 3 people). The resort is making $15 a night? That seems hard to believe.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:53 PM   #21
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But then how do the resort make any money on free dining? If I am staying at a moderate with my wife and daughter, we are paying $180 a night for the room, but we are getting $165 worth of free dining per day. ($55 x 3 people). The resort is making $15 a night? That seems hard to believe.
Hence the limited numbers of rooms eligible for the discount, perhaps?
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Old 05-04-2013, 03:13 AM   #22
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no offense, because i think discounts are great and all...but i'd really love for disney to change their discounts...make them a little more random. I think too many people "expect" all these great discounts and upgrades...and then instead of being happy when they happen, get upset when they don't. We always plan full price for a trip, and then a discount becomes an added bonus.

I'm really not trying to be mean, or for anyone to be offended. I just think that sometimes we forget Disney is a business, and people who constantly "expect" disney to do all these magical things...makes it tougher for disney to do just that.

Our best trips have been special little extras...simple things...like a wave or comment from a parade character, playing hide-n-seek during a meet and greet, etc. The trouble is, it isn't magical or special when someone pushes in front of you, or complains about waiting 10 minutes in a line. OR abuses the current systems, etc.

Sorry. Rant over.
I understand what you're saying, and I don't think people are just expecting deals and what not, but i think it's more of a hoping type of thing. I know for my boyfriend and I, we always hope for free dining. It saves so much money tbh. I mean, we are only 22. We can't afford too much atm so when something as fabulous as free dining is is offered, it's just like
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Old 05-04-2013, 04:47 AM   #23
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But then how do the resort make any money on free dining? If I am staying at a moderate with my wife and daughter, we are paying $180 a night for the room, but we are getting $165 worth of free dining per day. ($55 x 3 people). The resort is making $15 a night? That seems hard to believe.
But it's $15 a night more than an empty room would make. FD is only offered to fill rooms. People complain about the resort prices going up so much each year, but this is why. They need to cover their almost year round discounts now, whether they are AP rates, RO discounts or FD. And the more F&B charges for FD, the harder it will be for the resorts to cover. Hence you see FD being offered less and less in the value season. The resorts will do better this year in late August with RO discounts than they will with FD. Sept is still so slow that they need that incentive.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:36 AM   #24
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But it's $15 a night more than an empty room would make. FD is only offered to fill rooms. People complain about the resort prices going up so much each year, but this is why. They need to cover their almost year round discounts now, whether they are AP rates, RO discounts or FD. And the more F&B charges for FD, the harder it will be for the resorts to cover. Hence you see FD being offered less and less in the value season. The resorts will do better this year in late August with RO discounts than they will with FD. Sept is still so slow that they need that incentive.
This confuses me. We have 4 disney adults staying in one room at POR at an approximately $170 per night room. Free dining for all 4 of us saves about $220 per night. So we would be getting the room free plus a discount on tickets? Thats why I don't understand people arguing that RO discount are better. Every family situation is different. For us a RO would only save us $34 a night at a 20% moderate resort discount. I forgot to mention that there are 8 of us going for 7 nights. 2 rooms booked. Only one Disney child. We are saving almost $3000 on our trip. And yes, we make sure we have lots of seafood meals and character meals to make sure we get the most out of the DDP. We are only going to pay just over $5000 for 8 of us for 8 days at Disney at a moderate resort. I don't "expect" the discounts, but they allow us to stay longer at a nicer resort, and in our situation, allow us to bring my parents who have never been. I am grateful for these discounts and they keep me spending our vacation dollars at Disney.
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This confuses me. We have 4 disney adults staying in one room at POR at an approximately $170 per night room. Free dining for all 4 of us saves about $220 per night. So we would be getting the room free plus a discount on tickets? Thats why I don't understand people arguing that RO discount are better. Every family situation is different. For us a RO would only save us $34 a night at a 20% moderate resort discount. I forgot to mention that there are 8 of us going for 7 nights. 2 rooms booked. Only one Disney child. We are saving almost $3000 on our trip. And yes, we make sure we have lots of seafood meals and character meals to make sure we get the most out of the DDP. We are only going to pay just over $5000 for 8 of us for 8 days at Disney at a moderate resort. I don't "expect" the discounts, but they allow us to stay longer at a nicer resort, and in our situation, allow us to bring my parents who have never been. I am grateful for these discounts and they keep me spending our vacation dollars at Disney.
Your last sentence answers your initial question. People in Disney spend money. Much like casino hotels, they'd rather lose money on the rooms just to fill them. Once people are in Disney they typically make up the difference with park tickets, souvenirs, etc.
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Old 05-06-2013, 06:13 AM   #26
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This was posted this morning saying free dining will be offered Sept 2-25 for Disney Visa cardholders!

disneydining.com/fall-free-dining-offer-released

Figures, I got the Disney Visa for the perks, but now I can't really change my dates, especially since I already bought the airfare.....
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:40 AM   #27
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This was posted this morning saying free dining will be offered Sept 2-25 for Disney Visa cardholders!

disneydining.com/fall-free-dining-offer-released

Figures, I got the Disney Visa for the perks, but now I can't really change my dates, especially since I already bought the airfare.....
They released room only discount too this morning and this dates include August 15- September 28, 2013
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The blog you mentioned, disneydining.com/fall-free-dining-offer-released does state the free dining is open now, but its not showing on the Visa rewards web page. Looks like a few people have even commented on that below the disney dining blog posting today.
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:53 AM   #29
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Free dining for the public is opening may 9th!!! From sept 3 to sept 25th only!
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Do you know how far they extended last year?? I am going Nov 18 and was hoping to still get free dining!!



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OK - nothing I say is a sure thing, so understand I am only basing it on what has gone before.

The free dining dates flucuate frequently. Usually they go back into late August, but they don't always go back that far. (A quick search says last year the start date was August 25th, the year before was August 28th, and 2010 was August 15th.) Based on those dates the last two years, and your dates, I think it unlikely that they will stretch it back to August 18th.

However, even on years when the free dining doesn't extend all the way back, there is generally an additional General Public room discount. This usually extends back to the last date of whatever the previous discount was.

So, for this year the current discount ends August 14th. I would expect that a resort discount will come out eventually that will start on August 15th or 16th. This will likely be announced a few weeks after free dining is announced. You are probably looking at a 20% discount on Port Orleans Riverside. You probably will miss out on free dining, as I would expect it to start August 24th this year.
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