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Old 04-18-2013, 03:41 PM   #151
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No sorry, his father is getting ready to go to Japan to work on some other projects . . . . . .
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:46 PM   #152
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Listen buddy universal does It cheaper and quicker because they don't but the effort and quality into their work. Universal slaps stuff together why disney tells a story. Disney talks so long because they out so much detail in you need a magnifying glass.
The next gen stuff will eventually be a great thing once all the kinks work out. When fast pass first came out it had problems too. And guess who had to get a system similar universal had to do it. I bet after this next gen becomes a success which I believe it eventually will become universal will try something similar a lot of what they do is just a similar copy of a disney thing.
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HP2 with two E tickets behind this awesome facade

so heres to hoping avatar and cars land is all that
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are we just gonna ignore the broader context? nobody has questions box office sales...and nobody cares about academy award wins. red herring.
If disney was going to build "Slumdog Millionaire: Live on Stage" at the studios...would you be quoting the oscar resume?

~Sorry, but this is NOT true. No one, who has argued in support of Avatarland cared about the "film." EVER. The only time the film came up was from the opposing side. When we debunked all of the false assertions regarding the real success of Avatar, then the opposition had to spin the argument to save face, and NOW of course, the film's success doesn't matter -- blah, blah, blah. I just wanted to clarify, that was NEVER our argument -- we never brought box office stats and other silly nonsense to the table.

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I talked with my friend whose dad is lead on the project.
Planning is going on and they are currently assigning other leads for the various projects involved with the expansion.
~Yay! Thanks for the update, Dznefreek! I can't wait to hear more details!!!
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:50 PM   #154
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~Sorry, but this is NOT true. No one, who has argued in support of Avatarland cared about the "film." EVER. The only time film came up was from the opposing side. When we debunked all of the false assertions regarding the real success of Avatar, then the opposition had to spin the argument to save face, and NOW of course, the film's success doesn't matter -- blah, blah, blah. I just wanted to clarify, that was NEVER our argument -- we never brought box office stats and other silly nonsense to the table.
You picked a whole bucket of cherries here...

You didn't post the box office figures...but you quoted them and ran with them. That is the ONLY bit of hard evidence to support that avatar is a good franchise...and therefore a good idea. And that evidence is weak and soft...not enough to convict.

I gave hard data on how it sold almost no licensed product...and therefore has little broad cultural impact...

If you are saying that broad appeal doesn't matter in a permanent theme park addition that not only had a huge upfront costs along with longterm significant overhead costs...then I'm willing to listen to the argument as to why that is. Convince me.

And "they told me during my college program orientation that everything Disney builds is great and nobody does it better than imagineering"...probably isnt going to quite do that.
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You picked a whole bucket of cherries here...

You didn't post the box office figures...but you quoted them and ran with them. That is the ONLY bit of hard evidence to support that avatar is a good franchise...and therefore a good idea. And that evidence is weak and soft...not enough to convict.

I gave hard data on how it sold almost no licensed product...and therefore has little broad cultural impact...

If you are saying that broad appeal doesn't matter in a permanent theme park addition that not only had a huge upfront costs along with longterm significant overhead costs...then I'm willing to listen to the argument as to why that is. Convince me.

And "they told me during my college program orientation that everything Disney builds is great and nobody does it better than imagineering"...probably isnt going to quite do that.
Here we go again. This is getting old. Shows you how little we have to talk about lol
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Here we go again. This is getting old. Shows you how little we have to talk about lol
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You picked a whole bucket of cherries here...

You didn't post the box office figures...but you quoted them and ran with them. That is the ONLY bit of hard evidence to support that avatar is a good franchise...and therefore a good idea. And that evidence is weak and soft...not enough to convict.

I gave hard data on how it sold almost no licensed product...and therefore has little broad cultural impact...

If you are saying that broad appeal doesn't matter in a permanent theme park addition that not only had a huge upfront costs along with longterm significant overhead costs...then I'm willing to listen to the argument as to why that is. Convince me.

And "they told me during my college program orientation that everything Disney builds is great and nobody does it better than imagineering"...probably isnt going to quite do that.
~Cute. ~Oh please, I didn't "run" with anything. Again, those of us who are in support of Avatarland never questioned the merits of the film -- this was brought to the table by the opposition, once we successfully refuted the false allegations regarding the film -- now, the opposition wants to say the film doesn't matter, well sure -- we already know that. But, since it was brought to the table repeatedly, we had to break it down to reveal the truth. It goes without saying that the licensing of merchandise has minimal impact on how successful an attraction can be. I don't have any stats on Avatar but I do know Avatar sold 19.7 million dvd/blu ray, which is roughly half of their 40 million facebook fans.

~You don't need "broad cultural impact" to define a theme park experience or to create & build a new immersive attraction(s) -- it's not a prerequisite. By this logic, we wouldn't have many amusement parks or attractions -- would we??? The New Fantasyland is a prime example of great classic quintessential Disney -- this is what everyone here raved about nonstop, but in reality -- the reviews have been lukewarm & underwhelmed, it's not a runaway success by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, the film has NEVER been our argument, not ever. We don't care -- it's the budget, creativity, innovation and attention to detail that matter. It's more than okay to bash Avatar, that's fine. You'll run into trouble once you start to justify why it shouldn't be built, that's simply a matter of opinion, one that is also subject to change. I'm am really excited and can't wait for more details on Avatarland, when people bash and say they hate it, I get more excited & love the idea even more, lol!
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Anyway, the film has NEVER been our argument, not ever. We don't care.....
I don't get this.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:36 AM   #159
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Avatar had commercial success because of one reason. It was supposed to have the greatest 3D ever released. The film as a whole stunk, and as others have mentioned, it was not a huge merchandising entity and there were no campaign of people longing for Avatar 2.

I'm sure this land will probably get one cool ride and then a bunch of boring environmental stuff which AK is already dedicated to teaching. AK is the worst park, hands down and adding this crap isn't going to help that fact.

Instead of naming it Avatarland they should save time and just name it PeopleWon'tCareLand.
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~Cute. ~Oh please, I didn't "run" with anything. Again, those of us who are in support of Avatarland never questioned the merits of the film -- this was brought to the table by the opposition, once we successfully refuted the false allegations regarding the film -- now, the opposition wants to say the film doesn't matter, well sure -- we already know that. But, since it was brought to the table repeatedly, we had to break it down to reveal the truth. It goes without saying that the licensing of merchandise has minimal impact on how successful an attraction can be. I don't have any stats on Avatar but I do know Avatar sold 19.7 million dvd/blu ray, which is roughly half of their 40 million facebook fans.

~You don't need "broad cultural impact" to define a theme park experience or to create & build a new immersive attraction(s) -- it's not a prerequisite. By this logic, we wouldn't have many amusement parks or attractions -- would we??? The New Fantasyland is a prime example of great classic quintessential Disney -- this is what everyone here raved about nonstop, but in reality -- the reviews have been lukewarm & underwhelmed, it's not a runaway success by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, the film has NEVER been our argument, not ever. We don't care -- it's the budget, creativity, innovation and attention to detail that matter. It's more than okay to bash Avatar, that's fine. You'll run into trouble once you start to justify why it shouldn't be built, that's simply a matter of opinion, one that is also subject to change. I'm am really excited and can't wait for more details on Avatarland, when people bash and say they hate it, I get more excited & love the idea even more, lol!


Thanks for a great post. I also liked the photo of star wars desert. I try to limit my "hating". It's such a waste of energy. This is a vacation destination.
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Avatar had commercial success because of one reason. It was supposed to have the greatest 3D ever released. The film as a whole stunk, and as others have mentioned, it was not a huge merchandising entity and there were no campaign of people longing for Avatar 2.

I'm sure this land will probably get one cool ride and then a bunch of boring environmental stuff which AK is already dedicated to teaching. AK is the worst park, hands down and adding this crap isn't going to help that fact.

Instead of naming it Avatarland they should save time and just name it PeopleWon'tCareLand.
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by the way ...... http://screenrant.com/avatar-blu-ray...rd-ross-55782/
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~Cute. ~Oh please, I didn't "run" with anything. Again, those of us who are in support of Avatarland never questioned the merits of the film -- this was brought to the table by the opposition, once we successfully refuted the false allegations regarding the film -- now, the opposition wants to say the film doesn't matter, well sure -- we already know that. But, since it was brought to the table repeatedly, we had to break it down to reveal the truth. It goes without saying that the licensing of merchandise has minimal impact on how successful an attraction can be. I don't have any stats on Avatar but I do know Avatar sold 19.7 million dvd/blu ray, which is roughly half of their 40 million facebook fans.

~You don't need "broad cultural impact" to define a theme park experience or to create & build a new immersive attraction(s) -- it's not a prerequisite. By this logic, we wouldn't have many amusement parks or attractions -- would we??? The New Fantasyland is a prime example of great classic quintessential Disney -- this is what everyone here raved about nonstop, but in reality -- the reviews have been lukewarm & underwhelmed, it's not a runaway success by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, the film has NEVER been our argument, not ever. We don't care -- it's the budget, creativity, innovation and attention to detail that matter. It's more than okay to bash Avatar, that's fine. You'll run into trouble once you start to justify why it shouldn't be built, that's simply a matter of opinion, one that is also subject to change. I'm am really excited and can't wait for more details on Avatarland, when people bash and say they hate it, I get more excited & love the idea even more, lol!
I actually can agree with this. Look at how many "attractions" have become movies and not the other way around. Avatarland, regardless of the movie could tell a story that people enjoy, if done right. I actually think that a lot of the problem with HP land and all the other attractions that are based on a movie seem to go "out of style" at some point. One of the biggest problems with Universal in fact is keeping the classic movie rides from the 70's and 80's without at least giving it new spin. The target demographic weren't born for 20 years after those movies release.

The key is to make an attraction that is interesting without a movie to prop it up! Look at Test Track and Tron. It was obviously considered at some point to make it a "tron" ride, but ultimately they left it as test track. Someone who has seen tron and enjoys it will enjoy the ride, but someone walking in without ever seeing the movie can also enjoy it. I think that "avatarland" (if built) will likely be the same "inspired by" and not "built to be".
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I actually can agree with this. Look at how many "attractions" have become movies and not the other way around. Avatarland, regardless of the movie could tell a story that people enjoy, if done right. I actually think that a lot of the problem with HP land and all the other attractions that are based on a movie seem to go "out of style" at some point. One of the biggest problems with Universal in fact is keeping the classic movie rides from the 70's and 80's without at least giving it new spin. The target demographic weren't born for 20 years after those movies release.

The key is to make an attraction that is interesting without a movie to prop it up! Look at Test Track and Tron. It was obviously considered at some point to make it a "tron" ride, but ultimately they left it as test track. Someone who has seen tron and enjoys it will enjoy the ride, but someone walking in without ever seeing the movie can also enjoy it. I think that "avatarland" (if built) will likely be the same "inspired by" and not "built to be".
actually great point
Tron is one of the big reasons i think this can be successful because it has great visuals you dont need a great movie although i still think its silly to argue that avatar wasnt a great movie and wasnt/isnt popular
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~You don't want to "get it." And, I have no desire to convince you or anyone else. People are free to like whatever they want. But, I *love* this and can't wait for Avatarland!!! So, just stay hatin'.



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Thanks for a great post. I also liked the photo of star wars desert. I try to limit my "hating". It's such a waste of energy. This is a vacation destination.
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awesome no lines to wait in when i go.....

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http://screenrant.com/avatar-blu-ray...rd-ross-55782/
~LOL!!! Yes, this! Nice link, thanks for sharing. Here is my source for the 20 million dvds sold in 3 weeks for your exhaustive collection, no doubt. ~20 million Avatar DVD's sold in three weeks~

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I actually can agree with this. Look at how many "attractions" have become movies and not the other way around. Avatarland, regardless of the movie could tell a story that people enjoy, if done right. I actually think that a lot of the problem with HP land and all the other attractions that are based on a movie seem to go "out of style" at some point. One of the biggest problems with Universal in fact is keeping the classic movie rides from the 70's and 80's without at least giving it new spin. The target demographic weren't born for 20 years after those movies release.

The key is to make an attraction that is interesting without a movie to prop it up! Look at Test Track and Tron. It was obviously considered at some point to make it a "tron" ride, but ultimately they left it as test track. Someone who has seen tron and enjoys it will enjoy the ride, but someone walking in without ever seeing the movie can also enjoy it. I think that "avatarland" (if built) will likely be the same "inspired by" and not "built to be".
~Fabulous post!!! Love this! So much!
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