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Old 04-09-2013, 07:15 PM   #106
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I don't post often on this board, but I am an active user. It is very funny that the same topics seem to come up over and over. If I want to create a firestorm all I have to do is go onto the resort page and ask, " can I can bring my refillable mugs from a previous stay and use them on a current stay?" Or I can come to the cruise page and ask, "is it is okay to mix a drink in my room and carry it around the ship?" The responses are always the same, most see no problem with it, several will always go by the "letter of the law" so to speak and denounce others for not toeing the line. In the end, the alcohol question is not something that Disney is concerned about (per the cruise director from my previous cruises) and has simply become a point to argue on the internet. If Disney in the future decides to do away with bring alcohol onto the ship, so be it...I will adjust, but until then I will do as Toby Keith directed and arrive with a vast supply of Red Solo Cups!
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I don't post often on this board, but I am an active user. It is very funny that the same topics seem to come up over and over. If I want to create a firestorm all I have to do is go onto the resort page and ask, " can I can bring my refillable mugs from a previous stay and use them on a current stay?" Or I can come to the cruise page and ask, "is it is okay to mix a drink in my room and carry it around the ship?" The responses are always the same, most see no problem with it, several will always go by the "letter of the law" so to speak and denounce others for not toeing the line. In the end, the alcohol question is not something that Disney is concerned about (per the cruise director from my previous cruises) and has simply become a point to argue on the internet. If Disney in the future decides to do away with bring alcohol onto the ship, so be it...I will adjust, but until then I will do as Toby Keith directed and arrive with a vast supply of Red Solo Cups!


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Old 04-09-2013, 08:27 PM   #108
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I wish Disney sold both. I understand why they don't but the lengths that people go to get pepsi while on any Disney vacation is amusing. We are DVC members and had friends stay with us in a two bedroom vila. We would have used the resort's store for our groceries but since the father of the family said he was willing to rent a cab to go to the store to get pepsi for himself, I said that we could have a Garden Grocers deliver it. Since we were using this store to deliver pepsi, we used it for all of our grocery needs. Disney lost a lot of 'business' since we bought a lot of groceries for our party of 9.
Simple, Coke sells way more. While there is a big Pepsi crowd, statistics have shown that there are more Coke drinkers than Pepsi. Obviously you will have people that are bigger fans of one over the other, but in the end Coke has the upper hand which is why Disney has the contract with coke. If Pepsi sold more than Coke, you can bet that is what Disney would serve. I for one am glad that Coke is the leading Cola drink because I have always detested the taste of Pepsi, but I sympathize with those who go to lengths to bring their favorite soda on board because if Disney were Pepsi my entire family would be the ones hauling in the Coke Boxes.
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I know you can bring alcohol onto the ship in your carry on and can consume it in your stateroom but has anyone tried to sneak a drink to take to sit by the adult pool?
You will be on a DCL ship, they are not going to embarass you. Drink of the day was $4.75, I just came from dinner at Chilies and cocktail was $7.00. We brought more liquor thatn we needed. Yes left room with drink in drink cup but was not worth walking back to room just to get another. Go have a great Cruise and the rest will take care of it's self.
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Our first stop after cruising on the Dream was for a Pepsi!!!



Hmmmmmm, good question. Maybe because if you bring your own drink, in a glass, they don't know if they provided the drink or not, but if you bring your own bottle to dine, they know you brought your own? Evidently, if you buy wine on their package, they'll re-cork it and you can continue with the same bottle the next dinner without you having to take the bottle back to the room with you. Me and DH are trying to figure out which we want to do....Disney has conveniently priced our favorite wine, $20 more than retail, so it's going to equal the same whether we buy the wine ourselves and pay the corkage fee, or if we buy it from Disney and have it over-priced by $20. We'll probably just buy the package, so we don't add the weight to our luggage, or have to drag it around.
Bolding is mine. Yes, you are correct and if you bring your own wine to the dining room and pay the corking fee DCL will keep the bottle for you and bring it to the next dinner for you. You don't have to bring it back to the room if it is not finished.

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I don't usually post, just like to lurk, but I want to add my opinion to this issue since my family income is derived from the alcohol business.

Personally, I believe the policy on alcohol is strictly a liability insurance issue. If Disney did not limit you to where you could consume your personal alcohol and you fell (imo, you have to jump) overboard, attacked a fellow passenger or CM, they would be legally liable. It would be argued that they had invited you to consume any amount, any where you wished.

With the policy currently in place, it would be legally argued that you had violated the cruise contract by consuming alcohol not in their control and in areas you were not allowed.

As long as you are responsible and do not cause a problem to fellow passengers or the staff and crew, they really do not have an issue with your consumption of your personal alcohol in any areas of the ship.

You can be assured, Disney would discontinue serving anyone in their dining rooms, lounges or bars that were obviously inebriated, since they are legally liable for anyone they have served alcohol to. It also goes to why they charge a corkage fee. You are essentially "paying" Disney to accept this liability for serving your alcohol to you while in the dining room.

If their intent in this policy was purely financial, they would strictly enforce the present policy or change it.
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I don't usually post, just like to lurk, but I want to add my opinion to this issue since my family income is derived from the alcohol business.

Personally, I believe the policy on alcohol is strictly a liability insurance issue. If Disney did not limit you to where you could consume your personal alcohol and you fell (imo, you have to jump) overboard, attacked a fellow passenger or CM, they would be legally liable. It would be argued that they had invited you to consume any amount, any where you wished.

With the policy currently in place, it would be legally argued that you had violated the cruise contract by consuming alcohol not in their control and in areas you were not allowed.

As long as you are responsible and do not cause a problem to fellow passengers or the staff and crew, they really do not have an issue with your consumption of your personal alcohol in any areas of the ship.

You can be assured, Disney would discontinue serving anyone in their dining rooms, lounges or bars that were obviously inebriated, since they are legally liable for anyone they have served alcohol to. It also goes to why they charge a corkage fee. You are essentially "paying" Disney to accept this liability for serving your alcohol to you while in the dining room.

If their intent in this policy was purely financial, they would strictly enforce the present policy or change it.
Corkage fees have zero to do with liability since they essentially are serving you. Corkage is a way to recoup the 100% markup that restaurants usually charge. It's money, nothing more.

I also dont see how disney is liable for stuff you bring on the ship to drink.
If I drink a bottle of bourbon in a hotel room, go down to the lobby, cause a scene and get into a fist fight, the hotel is not liable, I am. If they are okay with people drinking in their rooms, do they think people magically become sober when they venture out?

And ive seen people who might have had enough get served more, it's always going to be a clash between profits and liability. the way they push drinks on deck, I'd suspect that many servers don't know how many you had previously.
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Corkage fees have zero to do with liability since they essentially are serving you. Corkage is a way to recoup the 100% markup that restaurants usually charge. It's money, nothing more.

I also dont see how disney is liable for stuff you bring on the ship to drink.
If I drink a bottle of bourbon in a hotel room, go down to the lobby, cause a scene and get into a fist fight, the hotel is not liable, I am. If they are okay with people drinking in their rooms, do they think people magically become sober when they venture out?

And ive seen people who might have had enough get served more, it's always going to be a clash between profits and liability. the way they push drinks on deck, I'd suspect that many servers don't know how many you had previously.
We recently planned a wedding reception where we provided our own alcohol, since my husband is in the business. In addition to paying the bartenders a wage, we had to pay an additional fee that the caterer uses to obtain liability coverage for our event. That is what the corkage fee does. This is a standard industry practice. Anyone in the hospitality industry would know about this issue.

Your second paragraph illustrates exactly what I'm saying. A cruise ship is nothing but a floating hotel. Yes, you could still get inebriated in your room, leave and do something illegal, but Disney did not serve it to you. Therefore, legally, they are not liable.

But the issue I was really addressing with my post, is explaining to those cruisers that would like to walk around with the alcohol they brought on board.

Finally, if someone is being over-served, they are playing with fire. I am fairly certain that bartenders must be trained in how to recognize a person who has reached their drinking limit. Usually nothing happens and everyone goes home happy. When it doesn't, the fallout is far-reaching.

I believe Disney's policy allowing cruisers to bring alcohol is preferable to the drink packages other cruise lines "push" and that Disney pushes drinks onboard much less than some of the other cruise lines I have been on.
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We recently planned a wedding reception where we provided our own alcohol, since my husband is in the business. In addition to paying the bartenders a wage, we had to pay an additional fee that the caterer uses to obtain liability coverage for our event. That is what the corkage fee does. This is a standard industry practice. Anyone in the hospitality industry would know about this issue.

Your second paragraph illustrates exactly what I'm saying. A cruise ship is nothing but a floating hotel. Yes, you could still get inebriated in your room, leave and do something illegal, but Disney did not serve it to you. Therefore, legally, they are not liable.

But the issue I was really addressing with my post, is explaining to those cruisers that would like to walk around with the alcohol they brought on board.

Finally, if someone is being over-served, they are playing with fire. I am fairly certain that bartenders must be trained in how to recognize a person who has reached their drinking limit. Usually nothing happens and everyone goes home happy. When it doesn't, the fallout is far-reaching.

I believe Disney's policy allowing cruisers to bring alcohol is preferable to the drink packages other cruise lines "push" and that Disney pushes drinks onboard much less than some of the other cruise lines I have been on.
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Does your caterer have a liquor liscence? There is no additional liability to any bar to serve you booze you bought, as opposed to booze they sell.

I'm not saying that some of the markup does not go to liability, some probably does but they pay this irrespective of whether the bottle comes from their cellar or yours.

Look at anything a restaurant sells, its always more than the cost of the components ( restaurants that sell food below cost don't last long). If it was simply liability, then some places could ask you to sign a waiver instead of corkage, or tell you that homemade wine would be corkage free, but that will likely never happen.

There are some restaurants that will occasionally waive corkage fees, I doubt they take a bath on those days paying for liability of their customers.

Corkage is simply a way to bridge the gap between retail and restaurant prices.
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We recently planned a wedding reception where we provided our own alcohol, since my husband is in the business. In addition to paying the bartenders a wage, we had to pay an additional fee that the caterer uses to obtain liability coverage for our event. That is what the corkage fee does. This is a standard industry practice. Anyone in the hospitality industry would know about this issue.

Your second paragraph illustrates exactly what I'm saying. A cruise ship is nothing but a floating hotel. Yes, you could still get inebriated in your room, leave and do something illegal, but Disney did not serve it to you. Therefore, legally, they are not liable.

But the issue I was really addressing with my post, is explaining to those cruisers that would like to walk around with the alcohol they brought on board.

Finally, if someone is being over-served, they are playing with fire. I am fairly certain that bartenders must be trained in how to recognize a person who has reached their drinking limit. Usually nothing happens and everyone goes home happy. When it doesn't, the fallout is far-reaching.

I believe Disney's policy allowing cruisers to bring alcohol is preferable to the drink packages other cruise lines "push" and that Disney pushes drinks onboard much less than some of the other cruise lines I have been on.
I am sure laws vary from state to state, but in states I am aware of, having insurance is a requirement in order to be issued a liqueur license. Your caterer was probably required to maintain insurance regardless of who bought the alcohol. Had she provided it, she would have simply built the price of insurance into the cost of the liqueur and then passed it into you. Corkage fees are simply a profit center and have nothing to do with insurance.
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Does your caterer have a liquor liscence? There is no additional liability to any bar to serve you booze you bought, as opposed to booze they sell.

I'm not saying that some of the markup does not go to liability, some probably does but they pay this irrespective of whether the bottle comes from their cellar or yours.

Look at anything a restaurant sells, its always more than the cost of the components ( restaurants that sell food below cost don't last long). If it was simply liability, then some places could ask you to sign a waiver instead of corkage, or tell you that homemade wine would be corkage free, but that will likely never happen.

There are some restaurants that will occasionally waive corkage fees, I doubt they take a bath on those days paying for liability of their customers.

Corkage is simply a way to bridge the gap between retail and restaurant prices.
Yes, my caterer has a liquor license. Their liquor license does not cover them when serving my alcohol.

I guarantee that you can not go into any bar or restaurant and ask them to serve you a bottle of wine or spirit that you brought in, unless they have a special liability policy that allows this.
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Yes, my caterer has a liquor license. Their liquor license does not cover them when serving my alcohol.

I guarantee that you can not go into any bar or restaurant and ask them to serve you a bottle of wine or spirit that you brought in, unless they have a special liability policy that allows this.
I believe you are making a guarantee that you cannot possibly support. I live in Georgia and I know of two restaurants in my county that will allow you to bring in a bottle of wine and they will pour for you at no additional charge. The local law will not grant them a license because they are too close to a school, but the law allows patrons to bring their own. Alcohol laws and insurance requirements vary from state to state and from county to county in many states. You simply cannot support what you are trying to "guarantee".

I am not trying to "flame" you here, but there is no way you can presume to know every law and insurance requirement related to alcohol in every county in every state of this country.
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I believe you are making a guarantee that you cannot possibly support. I live in Georgia and I know of two restaurants in my county that will allow you to bring in a bottle of wine and they will pour for you at no additional charge. The local law will not grant them a license because they are too close to a school, but the law allows patrons to bring their own. Alcohol laws and insurance requirements vary from state to state and from county to county in many states. You simply cannot support what you are trying to "guarantee".

I am not trying to "flame" you here, but there is no way you can presume to know every law and insurance requirement related to alcohol in every county in every state of this country.
Semantics! You state you don't wish to "flame", but instead of just saying, "Hey, I think that this is a state thing" , you are happy to do a smack down.
I bow to your superior intelligence.

I love how a conversation about helping people to get an answer to a simple question becomes a lesson to someone.

Can you add anything to the original post about bringing alcohol on board and drinking it in public areas of the ship?
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I don't post often on this board, but I am an active user. It is very funny that the same topics seem to come up over and over. If I want to create a firestorm all I have to do is go onto the resort page and ask, " can I can bring my refillable mugs from a previous stay and use them on a current stay?" Or I can come to the cruise page and ask, "is it is okay to mix a drink in my room and carry it around the ship?" The responses are always the same, most see no problem with it, several will always go by the "letter of the law" so to speak and denounce others for not toeing the line. In the end, the alcohol question is not something that Disney is concerned about (per the cruise director from my previous cruises) and has simply become a point to argue on the internet. If Disney in the future decides to do away with bring alcohol onto the ship, so be it...I will adjust, but until then I will do as Toby Keith directed and arrive with a vast supply of Red Solo Cups!
And it will happen every 6 months. Like the shampoo directions say, repeat and rinse. Just the way it is. Just have to reply and help or say to yourself, "I just can't anymore" and move on lol Waiting for the new chair hog thread soon
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Semantics! You state you don't wish to "flame", but instead of just saying, "Hey, I think that this is a state thing" , you are happy to do a smack down.
I bow to your superior intelligence.

I love how a conversation about helping people to get an answer to a simple question becomes a lesson to someone.

Can you add anything to the original post about bringing alcohol on board and drinking it in public areas of the ship?
With all due respect...I'm still trying to figure out what you are saying. I have no superior intelligence obviously. What is your point. With respect to the cruise ship and not your business. I'm confused. Are you speaking about liability of the bartenders? Or do you feel that people who bring their own booze on board is cutting into Disney's profit (thus you constantly mentioning your business)?

I don't think Disney's loosing any $ with bring your own booze on board. Have you ever booked a spa treatment?
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