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Old 03-22-2013, 01:51 PM   #31
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I am 100% in agreement with this. If 11-13 cannot be allowed in as adults, then they shouldn't be charged like adults. Bring back the Junior ticket. Any behavioral/safety issues out there are not addressed by a policy that simply requires an adult to enter the gate (who then could leave and never return). The only thing this policy can realistically accomplish is padding revenues by making it twice as expensive for someone that age to enter the park.
It is not an "adult" ticket. It is a "guest ages 10+" ticket. It is based on the average age at which most people reach all ride height requirements, thus giving them full access to all rides within the parks. The "adult" reference is for the dining plan, which again is the average age that most children stop eating kid's meals.

There is no need to create a ticket for juniors. Last year we aged up our daughter so she could have mor options on the dining plan. It costs a whopping $19.17 between her guest 3-9 ticket and her guest 10+ ticket for a 9 day hopper. The current tickets are fine, IMHO. The only thing a 10-13 year old can't do is enter the park alone, but once they are in, they have full access to everything. Creating a ticket for the very few kids this new rule could affect is a bit over the top.

Personally, I think 7 is way too young to be riding alone. With ride break downs and evacuations, a 7 year old could be afraid or not understand instructions well, but since it is Disney's rule, there is nothing any of us can do to change it. You either accept their rules or you spend your money elsewhere.

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Old 03-22-2013, 03:40 PM   #32
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Would it make people happier if Disney didn't call it adult admission? The admission price is XXX. We are pleased to offer a discount to guests age 3-9.

Full price is charged to guests able to enjoy most attractions. Nothing to do with the age you're an adult or allowed to enter the park without a parent.
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Old 03-22-2013, 04:07 PM   #33
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Would it make people happier if Disney didn't call it adult admission?
It isn't an "adult" ticket. See my post above.
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Old 03-22-2013, 04:44 PM   #34
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It is not an "adult" ticket. It is a "guest ages 10+" ticket. It is based on the average age at which most people reach all ride height requirements, thus giving them full access to all rides within the parks. The "adult" reference is for the dining plan, which again is the average age that most children stop eating kid's meals.
For people who are late to the party, that is what they would think. People who remember the Junior ticket range see it differently.

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I wasn't talking about them creating a junior ticket. I was talking about them bringing it back. You do know they used to have that, right?

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With ride break downs and evacuations, a 7 year old could be afraid or not understand instructions well, but since it is Disney's rule, there is nothing any of us can do to change it. You either accept their rules or you spend your money elsewhere.
Perhaps. We might be able to get Disney to honestly explain their reasons for it, regardless of whether that changes anything or not. The idea that this has to do with unruly children roaming parent-less throughout the parks doesn't work, since the requirement is only for entry. If they wanted to solve that problem, they would require the adult stay.
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:33 PM   #35
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For people who are late to the party, that is what they would think. People who remember the Junior ticket range see it differently.



I wasn't talking about them creating a junior ticket. I was talking about them bringing it back. You do know they used to have that, right?
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Sorry...I was not aware of the "junior ticket" history. In my defense, I was only 7 when they got rid of them.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:02 PM   #36
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I wasn't talking about them creating a junior ticket. I was talking about them bringing it back. You do know they used to have that, right?



Perhaps. We might be able to get Disney to honestly explain their reasons for it, regardless of whether that changes anything or not. The idea that this has to do with unruly children roaming parent-less throughout the parks doesn't work, since the requirement is only for entry. If they wanted to solve that problem, they would require the adult stay.
MYW tickets never included junior tickets. Junior MYW tickets would be brand new. Didn't Disney discontinue junior tickets almost 30 years ago? JMO but that's long enough to justify calling junior tickets brand new, in the very unlikely event Disney decided to offer them.

It's not clear if the new policy is in response to real problems or just a way to have a definite rule instead of leaving it to CMs at the gate to decide if a child appeared way too young to enter on his own.

I agree if the problem was unruly kids running wild the new policy might not be sufficient.
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MYW tickets never included junior tickets. Junior MYW tickets would be brand new. Didn't Disney discontinue junior tickets almost 30 years ago? JMO but that's long enough to justify calling junior tickets brand new, in the very unlikely event Disney decided to offer them.
I'll grant that, to a degree. Just because it has been a long time doesn't make it a brand new invention, though.

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It's not clear if the new policy is in response to real problems or just a way to have a definite rule instead of leaving it to CMs at the gate to decide if a child appeared way too young to enter on his own.

I agree if the problem was unruly kids running wild the new policy might not be sufficient.
That's the problem I have. It is unclear to me what the purpose of this is. It can't be to handle other problems with kids throughout the park, because nothing about this entrance policy addresses that.

Whether or not any of us would have ever sent an 11 year old in by themselves, the fact remains that, during the previous decades where an 11 year old was paying the same price as a 25 year old, they were allowed to enter the park equally. Now, for reasons unclear to anyone but Disney, they suddenly cannot. That constitutes a significant change. For at least 35 years, it appears that those buying the 10+ tickets have been able to enter the park just the same way. Now, a portion of those ticket holders have to bring another fare with them.

I'm left wondering what this "good reason" was that took them decades to arrive at...
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Just a guess but could it be related to the tour groups? I wonder if this will expand to be only x number of under 14s per adult.
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Just a guess but could it be related to the tour groups? I wonder if this will expand to be only x number of under 14s per adult.
Doesn't appear to be part of the policy. I don't think there is a cap on that. Besides, regardless of what some guests and front line CMs might think, I don't believe Disney has a problem with tour groups. They usually stay on property and Disney likes their money as much as mine and yours.
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Doesn't appear to be part of the policy. I don't think there is a cap on that. Besides, regardless of what some guests and front line CMs might think, I don't believe Disney has a problem with tour groups. They usually stay on property and Disney likes their money as much as mine and yours.
My guess (and clearly just a guess) is that the recent drowning of the pre-teen at pop century - and the related negative publicity (it made lead story on cnn.com at one point) - may have prompted an overall review of safety/adult supervision policies.
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My guess (and clearly just a guess) is that the recent drowning of the pre-teen at pop century - and the related negative publicity (it made lead story on cnn.com at one point) - may have prompted an overall review of safety/adult supervision policies.
Maybe a good guess. From the article linked by the OP:

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Sounds like the policy might be applicable at the resort pools.
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Jim Hill Media posits one reason:

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What Jim fails to address is how not requiring an adult to ride with the pre-teen will prevent these incidents. Given that they can still ride whatever they want, and the companion that is 14+ only has to be with them at the entrance, how would it even begin to accomplish anything meaningful elsewhere in the park?
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What Jim fails to address is how not requiring an adult to ride with the pre-teen will prevent these incidents. Given that they can still ride whatever they want, and the companion that is 14+ only has to be with them at the entrance, how would it even begin to accomplish anything meaningful elsewhere in the park?
I don't know whether Hill is right or not but the policy change certainly couldn't hurt. I suspect there is a different mindset when touring the park, knowing a parent could be lurking around any corner, than there is when you know mom or dad dropped you at the gate and is now long gone.
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What Jim fails to address is how not requiring an adult to ride with the pre-teen will prevent these incidents. Given that they can still ride whatever they want, and the companion that is 14+ only has to be with them at the entrance, how would it even begin to accomplish anything meaningful elsewhere in the park?
If someone under 14 is accompanied through the gate, it raises the probability that they be accompanied throughout the park.
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