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Old 02-27-2013, 04:51 PM   #46
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Kids don't have to get liquor from the bars. Their parents and their friends' parents carry on a ton of it. All they have to do is swipe a bottle. Just like at home.

Maybe DCL should reconsider their policy of allowing people to bring alcohol onboard, in light of this incident.[/QUOTE]


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Since this happened on a line where you technically can't bring on alcohol, I am not sure how your solution accomplishes anything.

Where do you draw the line? People die swimming should we close the pools?
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:00 PM   #47
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We know the child in question was 18 years old. In many ports of call, he would have been old enough to consume alcohol LEGALLY. So who is to say the cruise line even served this person?
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:03 PM   #48
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The teen could have picked up alcohol on one of the islands much easier than on the ship. The drinks have to be paid for and in the cashless society of a ship it. Would be easy enough to look at charges. He didn't look like a small boy. O that wouldn't have been caused by a couple drinks.
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:05 PM   #49
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Maybe DCL should reconsider their policy of allowing people to bring alcohol onboard, in light of this incident.[/QUOTE]




Hey don't punish the responsible alcohol drinkers just because people don't know how to parent. Banning things isn't the solution. Educating people is.

Also I was watching one of those cruise documentaries and apparently a lot of people die on board. Especially the transatlantics on cruiselines with a large elderly population. They just keep them in the morgue and keep on sailing.
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:34 PM   #50
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The actual age isn't on there, but there is a difference between the legal ADULT cards and the non-adult cards.

Kids don't have to get liquor from the bars. Their parents and their friends' parents carry on a ton of it. All they have to do is swipe a bottle. Just like at home.

Maybe DCL should reconsider their policy of allowing people to bring alcohol onboard, in light of this incident.
so because of a tragic accident, people who drink responsibly should be the ones to pay ?

I probably like being with visibly intoxicated people less than most, but the historical record of attempts to protect people from themselves is abysmal. It is literally a fools errand, People have fallen or jumped from cruise ships, should DCL reconsider allowing people to have access to their verandas ?
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:45 PM   #51
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Generally, when something bad happens on another cruise line, people here on the DIS want to know what DCL is going to do differently, so that it won't happen on a Disney ship, so my suggestion of not allowing liquor to be carried onboard was just that....a suggestion of a way for DCL to try to keep the same thing from happening on their ships.
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:47 PM   #52
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Since this happened on a line where you technically can't bring on alcohol, I am not sure how your solution accomplishes anything.

Carnival's policy is one bottle of wine or champagne carried on, per adult.

And just like a lot of things on Disney, some people bend the rules.
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The thread is about a young person who DIED because of alcohol....whether it was alcohol poisoning, or aspiration.....still alcohol induced.....but it's interesting how many people get their feathers all ruffled up at the suggestion of a "no alcohol" carry on policy for Disney.

Who's to say who's responsible, and who isn't? (As far as another poster saying "people who drink responsibly")
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:03 PM   #54
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The thread is about a young person who DIED because of alcohol....whether it was alcohol poisoning, or aspiration.....still alcohol induced.....but it's interesting how many people get their feathers all ruffled up at the suggestion of a "no alcohol" carry on policy for Disney.

Who's to say who's responsible, and who isn't? (As far as another poster saying "people who drink responsibly")
I'm an adult, I resent in the strongest terms the notion that you are somehow a better arbitrer of what is good and what is bad for me.

Alcohol is still legal ( if you are of age). If you chose not to partake I completely support your decision. Why wont you reciprocate ?

if a young kid tragically drowned in a cruise ship pool ( god forbid) methinks that you would not be here advocating whether dcl should consider draining the pools. this is a bad enought tradgedy as it is, using the tragic death of an 18 year old kid as a soapbox to advocate changes in policy, is exploitive and unbecoming in my opinion.
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:13 PM   #55
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Prayers and thoughts for the family, who I'm sure are questioning sooooo many things right now. Tragedies happen in all walks of life; good, bad and in the middle. Support is what they need, not scrutiny.
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:46 PM   #56
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The thread is about a young person who DIED because of alcohol....whether it was alcohol poisoning, or aspiration.....still alcohol induced.....but it's interesting how many people get their feathers all ruffled up at the suggestion of a "no alcohol" carry on policy for Disney.

Who's to say who's responsible, and who isn't? (As far as another poster saying "people who drink responsibly")
If you don't care for people's responses that you knew you would get from your post (regardless of the cruise line you called out DCL or other), why did you stir the pot in the first place. From posts on other threads you appear to have an ax to grind with DCL which is fine, just don't drag us in to it.

This was a tragedy plain and simple, how it happened really is not for us to judge or react too unless we know the full story.

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This thread should be locked down it is soo far off topic of the original post and is spiraling downward.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:08 PM   #57
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Let me relay my story of DD16 on the Fantasy NYE cruise...

DD went to the Vibe on NYE and they all left for the fireworks on the top deck at midnight. At the same time, bar servers were walking around with trays of champagne and apple cider. They let anyone take the drink of their choice. In addition, after midnight the servers roamed around the top decks of the ship filling up champagne flutes as long as they were in a hand. Again, not checking any KTTW card. DD16 and her friends were served by DCL and got very drunk. DD puked on deck in front of the white suiters (officers) and they took her down to the medical center. An hour later, a liter of IV fluids and $1012 bill she returned to the cabin with DH. The Vibe counselors asked her the next day what happened to her that she didn't return to the Vibe. She was in the programming, they all went to watch the fireworks and continued to celebrate back in the Vibe.

I'm not saying that my DD should be held harmless in this incident, but I think that DCL should look at their policies on serving alcohol on NYE. I talked to Guest Services and they summoned a white suiter in beverage services and everyone passed the buck. It ended up that the beverage services manager said it was a security issue (several days later once I ran into him in the hall).

DD's friends were very drunk also and went to their room to get sick and pass out. The incident this young man experienced this week could have happened to one of her friends. Very scary....and I'm not quite as upset about the medical bill now.


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Let me relay my story of DD16 on the Fantasy NYE cruise...

DD went to the Vibe on NYE and they all left for the fireworks on the top deck at midnight. At the same time, bar servers were walking around with trays of champagne and apple cider. They let anyone take the drink of their choice. In addition, after midnight the servers roamed around the top decks of the ship filling up champagne flutes as long as they were in a hand. Again, not checking any KTTW card. DD16 and her friends were served by DCL and got very drunk. DD puked on deck in front of the white suiters (officers) and they took her down to the medical center. An hour later, a liter of IV fluids and $1012 bill she returned to the cabin with DH. The Vibe counselors asked her the next day what happened to her that she didn't return to the Vibe. She was in the programming, they all went to watch the fireworks and continued to celebrate back in the Vibe.

I'm not saying that my DD should be held harmless in this incident, but I think that DCL should look at their policies on serving alcohol on NYE. I talked to Guest Services and they summoned a white suiter in beverage services and everyone passed the buck. It ended up that the beverage services manager said it was a security issue (several days later once I ran into him in the hall).

DD's friends were very drunk also and went to their room to get sick and pass out. The incident this young man experienced this week could have happened to one of her friends. Very scary....and I'm not quite as upset about the medical bill now.


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Not sure why you would get flamed, DCL needs to do a better job of controlling the alcohol on occasions like this. There is no excuse for that. I grew up in a family that owned a beer dist., so I know how out of bounds that is. Shame on DCL and the servers for letting this happen, hopefully those responsible were held accountable (Fired). Hopefully your DD learned a lesson from this too which could be a silver lining out of a bad deal.

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Old 02-27-2013, 09:46 PM   #59
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Prayers and thoughts for the family, who I'm sure are questioning sooooo many things right now. Tragedies happen in all walks of life; good, bad and in the middle. Support is what they need, not scrutiny.
right on!!! maybe this thread could take a half turn and become the voice of compassion and not become a debate. lets not get angry at each other or preach who is right or wrong. we don't know the whole story, probably never will.
lets just give our thoughts and prayers to this unfortunate family and leave the what if's out. no personal insults. please.
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Not sure why you would get flamed, DCL needs to do a better job of controlling the alcohol on occasions like this. There is no excuse for that. I grew up in a family that owned a beer dist., so I know how out of bounds that is. Shame on DCL and the servers for letting this happen, hopefully those responsible were held accountable (Fired). Hopefully your DD learned a lesson from this too which could be a silver lining out of a bad deal.

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ITA with this! It sounds like it would have been easy for a child to get a glass of alcohol without realizing what it was. Once it started affecting her, her reasoning would have been impaired. I am glad that your daughter is okay. As far as you knew, she was with the Vibe programing. I wouldn't have been concerned either as her parent. She was with the group. Glad that the officers were there and saw her as well instead of just escorting her to your room to sleep it off.
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