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Old 02-24-2013, 01:47 PM   #16
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We found when the busses were not busy we could take the baby out but leave the stroller unfolded. Clearly this would not be the case on a crowed bus.
I would not count on doing it even if it is not busy.
As another poster mntioned it is a DOT (Department of Transportation) regulation that strollers must be folded.
The bus drivers should not have allowed an unfolded stroller on the bus and could have gotten in trouble for letting you do that.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:40 PM   #17
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Folding the stroller before getting on the bus is a DOT regulation.
That may be, but when I'm the only one boarding the bus in the middle of the day, or it's us plus a few others, my stroller wouldn't cause any harm rolling on and then being folded before they drive away.

Usually we stay somewhere that goes straight to the park from the resort, or may make one more stop. Now with the stroller, I always choose to be at the 1st stop. It's not like a city bus, where you get on a crowded bus. I realize common sense does not prevail over bureaucracy, so I don't argue.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:34 PM   #18
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That may be, but when I'm the only one boarding the bus in the middle of the day, or it's us plus a few others, my stroller wouldn't cause any harm rolling on and then being folded before they drive away.

Usually we stay somewhere that goes straight to the park from the resort, or may make one more stop. Now with the stroller, I always choose to be at the 1st stop. It's not like a city bus, where you get on a crowded bus. I realize common sense does not prevail over bureaucracy, so I don't argue.
Dot say it has to be folded they don't care if your the only one on the bus the driver can be ticketed and lose his cdl license then job. Most people don't like following policy or rules so if the driver would let them on then their nothing to say they wouldn't give the driver a hard time and refuse after getting on be bus. Just look if the driver gives an inch people would take a mile you had one driver let you on now you want every one to let you on that way. that why it important for the drivers to enforce it across the board the same way so their no confusion,


It posted on the side of the bus if Need more explanation Disney and their drivers have to follow the laws the dot put in place.
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Old 02-24-2013, 07:13 PM   #19
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That may be, but when I'm the only one boarding the bus in the middle of the day, or it's us plus a few others, my stroller wouldn't cause any harm rolling on and then being folded before they drive away.

Usually we stay somewhere that goes straight to the park from the resort, or may make one more stop. Now with the stroller, I always choose to be at the 1st stop. It's not like a city bus, where you get on a crowded bus. I realize common sense does not prevail over bureaucracy, so I don't argue.
That is not your decision to make. DOT says that strollers must be folded prior to boarding. So clearly there is "harm". DOT issues the regulations. They are to be followed by Disney bus drivers and guests.
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Dot say it has to be folded they don't care if your the only one on the bus the driver can be ticketed and lose his cdl license then job. Most people don't like following policy or rules so if the driver would let them on then their nothing to say they wouldn't give the driver a hard time and refuse after getting on be bus. Just look if the driver gives an inch people would take a mile you had one driver let you on now you want every one to let you on that way. that why it important for the drivers to enforce it across the board the same way so their no confusion,


It posted on the side of the bus if Need more explanation Disney and their drivers have to follow the laws the dot put in place.
Agreed...there's nothing keeping the person from not taking the child out of the stroller at that point. I've actually witnessed someone attempt to open their stroller on a fairly empty bus and try to put their sleeping child in it because they didn't feel like holding them after the bus was moving! Wow!! That was a mess! You wanna talk about causing a riot! LOL The other guests are saying 'Umm..you can't do that!' and then the bus driver is like 'Hey, you can't do that!' and the guest was like 'How are you gonna stop me? You're busy driving the bus now!!' Wow!! Just Wow!! That was one mess!! I really thought the bus driver was going to have to pull over and quite honestly I would have been fine if he did! Personally, I think the driver should have radioed ahead to our destination and there should have been security there to meet this family and they should have been 'banned' from using Disney transportation at that point. They were really indignant that they were going to do what THEY wanted to do regardless of the rules until other guests backed the driver up. Some people....and the sad part is that they were really jeopardizing their own child's safety.
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Agreed...there's nothing keeping the person from not taking the child out of the stroller at that point. I've actually witnessed someone attempt to open their stroller on a fairly empty bus and try to put their sleeping child in it because they didn't feel like holding them after the bus was moving! Wow!! That was a mess! You wanna talk about causing a riot! LOL The other guests are saying 'Umm..you can't do that!' and then the bus driver is like 'Hey, you can't do that!' and the guest was like 'How are you gonna stop me? You're busy driving the bus now!!' Wow!! Just Wow!! That was one mess!! I really thought the bus driver was going to have to pull over and quite honestly I would have been fine if he did! Personally, I think the driver should have radioed ahead to our destination and there should have been security there to meet this family and they should have been 'banned' from using Disney transportation at that point. They were really indignant that they were going to do what THEY wanted to do regardless of the rules until other guests backed the driver up. Some people....and the sad part is that they were really jeopardizing their own child's safety.
yeah he should of called security to meet the bus but i guess he was thinking of the safety of all the guest not pulling over. their a law i think it a florida law saying the buses not just disney cant make a stop and let guest off at a non bus stop so the driver figured if he detoured it would just cause problems for the other guest and didn't want to make any trouble.
i seen at dhs where a bus pulls up and the guest unfold on the bus before exiting and have a hard time getting of the bus and the driver having to come back and make them refold to get off the bus. this is one problem with the drivers and disney they dont call security when they should your case should differntly been referred to security that was unsafe and the driver risk his job by not stopping and getting him to refold it or remove them from the bus. but know their going to be putting cameras on the buses for safety which will help the driver in those cases so if security is called the guest can't lie about it and try to get out of it. but not sure when they will be adding they they put signs on the out side of all the new buses letting guest know for safety and security video taping might be done on this bus. so not sure if it be every bus or random buses.
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Yes, I realize it is a DOT rule, and I have no doubt it was created by men that have never tried to hold a baby, diaper bag, fold a stroller while holding them, then carry them all onto a bus. It's one thing to be getting on a crowded, city bus and entirely different to be getting on an empty bus with a few other people at a Disney resort. If their primary concern was the safety of the baby, it would be clear it is safer to role the baby on the bus in the stroller, put the baby on your lap and then fold the stroller while safely seated holding the baby. Not try to climb up the bus step juggling the baby, diaper bag and stroller.

I'm not saying people should leave the baby in the stroller while the bus moving.

Of course I know the rules must be followed regardless of the actual circumstance, because no one is allowed to use common sense anymore and be flexible to the actual situation in front of them.
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Yes, I realize it is a DOT rule, and I have no doubt it was created by men that have never tried to hold a baby, diaper bag, fold a stroller while holding them, then carry them all onto a bus. It's one thing to be getting on a crowded, city bus and entirely different to be getting on an empty bus with a few other people at a Disney resort. If their primary concern was the safety of the baby, it would be clear it is safer to role the baby on the bus in the stroller, put the baby on your lap and then fold the stroller while safely seated holding the baby. Not try to climb up the bus step juggling the baby, diaper bag and stroller.

I'm not saying people should leave the baby in the stroller while the bus moving.

Of course I know the rules must be followed regardless of the actual circumstance, because no one is allowed to use common sense anymore and be flexible to the actual situation in front of them.
The dot law has nothing to do with the safety of the baby the dot expect the parent to safely carry or get the baby on the bus safely without needing the stroller it has to do with the safety of the other passengers. If something happens and their strollers unfolded it could hinder the evacuation of the passengers to safety. If the dot regulated the monorails then passengers would have to fold their strollers to but for now until they do decide to regulate it Disney left to enforce their own policy where you can go on without folding it unless it busy or if in the accessible car and their a guest in a wheelchair or ECV waiting to board.

I know what your saying yes it not a safety risk to board the bus and then fold it but it a matter of being easier to enforce it before you board to cut down on the trouble guest who would refuse to fold it once on the bus. Their two exceptions that you could bring an unfold stroller on board a specail needs stroller that either can be tied down and be treated like a wheelchair and be tied down or be allowed to use the back door then transfer to a seat and then fold it once on.
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Yes, I realize it is a DOT rule, and I have no doubt it was created by men that have never tried to hold a baby, diaper bag, fold a stroller while holding them, then carry them all onto a bus. It's one thing to be getting on a crowded, city bus and entirely different to be getting on an empty bus with a few other people at a Disney resort. If their primary concern was the safety of the baby, it would be clear it is safer to role the baby on the bus in the stroller, put the baby on your lap and then fold the stroller while safely seated holding the baby. Not try to climb up the bus step juggling the baby, diaper bag and stroller.

I'm not saying people should leave the baby in the stroller while the bus moving.

Of course I know the rules must be followed regardless of the actual circumstance, because no one is allowed to use common sense anymore and be flexible to the actual situation in front of them.
Sorry-but I have to disagree with you. "Common sense" to me is following the laws.
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The dot law has nothing to do with the safety of the baby the dot expect the parent to safely carry or get the baby on the bus safely without needing the stroller it has to do with the safety of the other passengers. If something happens and their strollers unfolded it could hinder the evacuation of the passengers to safety. If the dot regulated the monorails then passengers would have to fold their strollers to but for now until they do decide to regulate it Disney left to enforce their own policy where you can go on without folding it unless it busy or if in the accessible car and their a guest in a wheelchair or ECV waiting to board.

I know what your saying yes it not a safety risk to board the bus and then fold it but it a matter of being easier to enforce it before you board to cut down on the trouble guest who would refuse to fold it once on the bus. Their two exceptions that you could bring an unfold stroller on board a specail needs stroller that either can be tied down and be treated like a wheelchair and be tied down or be allowed to use the back door then transfer to a seat and then fold it once on.
This is not logical considering WDW has ECVS board first to allow them to maneuver without hitting others on the bus. (Buses only hold a limited number of ECVS). Think of all the strollers on the bus! Allowing every stroller to be folded on the bus would be a nightmare. Imagine all the time wasted while people unload their huge strollers, fold them and get everything out of the isle. People grumble now when an ECV has to be loaded-think what would happen if those people had to wait while a bunch of people had to fold up strollers? And then of course there are all of those that would refuse to fold the stroller for whatever reason. The average stroller is not designed to be tied down-so it has to be folded to board the bus.
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This is not logical considering WDW has ECVS board first to allow them to maneuver without hitting others on the bus. (Buses only hold a limited number of ECVS). Think of all the strollers on the bus! Allowing every stroller to be folded on the bus would be a nightmare. Imagine all the time wasted while people unload their huge strollers, fold them and get everything out of the isle. People grumble now when an ECV has to be loaded-think what would happen if those people had to wait while a bunch of people had to fold up strollers? And then of course there are all of those that would refuse to fold the stroller for whatever reason. The average stroller is not designed to be tied down-so it has to be folded to board the bus.
The fact are if you have a special needs stroller that can be tied down the driver has to tie it down if it can't then you are allowed to go on and then transferred to a seat then fold the stroller. The amount of special needs strollers are low so you won't have as many as you do with ECvS and wheelchairs kids in special need strollers have rights just like guest in wheelchairs. You have guest now that wait to the bus pulls up to fold it and hold the line up so people complain about them to.


It sad I was supporting your stance but you still have to try prove me wrong when I am not i never said you can take any stroller on the bus then fold it you can't I say the ones they are made to be tied down can be tied down, they are special needs strollers that are made to be tied down and some are not but the ones that can't dose not mean they not allowed to use the ramp then transfer to a seat and then fold it. That what i Meant maybe it was not that clear the first time and may be still not that clear.


After reading where you bolted it I do see how it could be miss understood I was not implying you should be allowed to board then fold it I was just trying saying it not a safety risk for boarding but for when the bus is in motion. I was just trying to show they make you fold it before to cut down on guest that might not want to follow the law and be easier on the driver.
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The fact are if you have a special needs stroller that can be tied down the driver has to tie it down if it can't then you are allowed to go on and then transferred to a seat then fold the stroller. The amount of special needs strollers are low so you won't have as many as you do with ECvS and wheelchairs kids in special need strollers have rights just like guest in wheelchairs. You have guest now that wait to the bus pulls up to fold it and hold the line up so people complain about them to.


It sad I was supporting your stance but you still have to try prove me wrong when I am not i never said you can take any stroller on the bus then fold it you can't I say the ones they are made to be tied down can be tied down, they are special needs strollers that are made to be tied down and some are not but the ones that can't dose not mean they not allowed to use the ramp then transfer to a seat and then fold it. That what i Meant maybe it was not that clear the first time and may be still not that clear.
Once again you have lost me.
To my knowledge, no one was talking about a special needs stroller.
You said "know what your saying yes it not a safety risk to board the bus and then fold it". I was pointing out how folding strollers on the bus CAN be a safety issue.

I think it is time to excuse myself from this board again.......
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Once again you have lost me.
To my knowledge, no one was talking about a special needs stroller.
You said "know what your saying yes it not a safety risk to board the bus and then fold it". I was pointing out how folding strollers on the bus CAN be a safety issue.

I think it is time to excuse myself from this board again.......
I am sorry it my fault your right I was just saying the only exception to the rule is special needs strollers. I have a problem sometime getting out what I am trying to say I just worded it wrong so sorry for the misunderstanding.
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I am sorry it my fault your right I was just saying the only exception to the rule is special needs strollers. I have a problem sometime getting out what I am trying to say I just worded it wrong so sorry for the misunderstanding.
Thanks - I was not aware of this. So, I can leave my special needs son in his special needs stroller and unload him on the bus - correct? And then fold down the stroller. TIA
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Thanks - I was not aware of this. So, I can leave my special needs son in his special needs stroller and unload him on the bus - correct? And then fold down the stroller. TIA
Yes you can use the ramp at the back door of the bus just let the driver know and of their a seat your son can transfer then fold the stroller. If other guest are loading and the driver cant load you through the back door safely then you will either have to wait for the next bus or go through the front door it just wont be level and the driver can kneel the bus if they didn't do when they pulled up. if their no seats and the driver cant get anyone to give up their seat you may have to wait for the next bus if you need a seat. if it can be tied down then the driver can tie it down for you like they do for wheel chairs. If you have to use the front door their wont be a ramp so your kid would have to walk to a seat but can stay in stroller in line and bring it to front door. So if the que has a separate entrance which at the parks they won't expect three at Dhs just to through the regular que. at mk you go through the que then their a gate that lead you toward the back door use that. If you want you can go around the que and wait safely by where the back door is and when the bus pulls up just wave to the driver so they see you.

It important you know if your stroller can or can't be tied because their are drivers that will try to tie it down for you and it might get damaged if not made to.
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