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Old 02-18-2013, 05:30 PM   #16
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I'm genuinely curious, what were the "drunken crowds" doing that made your daughter nervous enough that you had to leave Epcot?
It can get very rowdy. We witnessed a LOT of drink spilling, loud groups of 10-15 people in matching drinking shirts with trays of drinks each. We didn't see anyone get sick but it was very boozey and I can see people not wanting to be around tons of loud unruly drunks spilling drinks. We are not prudes by any means but it's no fun to be around that, for us.

Eta: This is mainly nights I speak of, with weekends being worse. The Sunday we were there during the day it was really bad though. Lots of people drunk by noon.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:39 PM   #17
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I think it has to do with the feeling you get with enter MK..

I feel like a kid again and want to see my kids enjoying being kids..

At Epcot.. It's a different feeling... It's more about the experience..
Being in each part of the park. And each country..

Also I think lots of people view MK as a "kids" park
And Epcot as more of an adult park
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:56 PM   #18
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Unfortunately, the WS has become an area that is not as family-friendly as it used to be, due in most part to F&W Festival, IMO. If drinks could only be consumed inside EPCOT restaurants and not sold in those booths in the middle of the walkways for people to carry around their drinks, things would be much better.
This is the scariest suggestion I have ever read on the DIS.

Taking the free range Wine out of F&W in hopes that you will never again encounter a rude drunk person, is like removing all of the sugar from the Magic Kingdom in hopes that we will never again see another kid hurl.
It simply will not work.
The location of the consumption is irrelevant. People who are rude & drunk in public will be that way regardless of whether they tank up inside La Cava or out. Lucky for us, that most of the people who frequent F&W are food and wine enthusiasts, not raging alcoholics. I am sorry you ran into a moron, but lets not hastily suggest punishments for the majority, based on actions of the minority.

Even though I read many articles and arguments about the BOG alcoholgate before I went. When I finally got there, I honestly forgot that they even served alcohol lol I was there to try the food. Based on sales, maybe I am not the only one.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:59 PM   #19
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I know alcohol is served in all parks. But I never seem to notice the drunkeness I see in Epcot WS anyplace else. I think there is just something about "drinking around the World" and the adult feeling that part of park seems to bring out.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:15 PM   #20
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Interesting. I wonder if diners just don't feel "right" ordering beer and wine there. With so many higher end restaurants on property that serve beer and wine at dinner, you would think that Disney would have had a fairly easy way of accurately predicting sales.
I think that might have something to do with it. And the fact that it's in a "fairy tale" setting. All the other restaurants that serve alcohol at WDW are "real world" in comparison. Having all the trappings of a fairy tale castle may make people feel as though it's more "kid-friendly" than other places, and so having that extra drink doesn't feel appropriate. Kind of like the difference between having a beer with the family at Chili's vs. having drinks when the family is at CiCis. (Do they serve beer at CiCis?)

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Old 02-18-2013, 06:18 PM   #21
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:08 PM   #22
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I've never seen any kind of drunkenness at Epcot either, either as a kid or later as an adult who realized WDW sold alcohol in a lot more places than I previously thought. WS has always seemed like a very family-orientated place to me.

I've never been during F&W though, but I do think I would expect some level of an adult atmosphere at an event that had "wine" right there in the title and I would plan accordingly with my kids if I thought it was going to bother us.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:56 PM   #23
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I guess weekend nights at F&W must be a lot different from other times as I've never seen anyone drunk at WDW.

I'm glad to see things are working out with the beer/wine sales at BOG. I thought it would turn out ok.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:35 AM   #24
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I think one reason BOG hasn't had a negative effect is that the people who are going there tend to eat as well as drink, which helps a lot with the absorption of the alcohol in their system.

It's not like at Epcot where people drink and drink and drink, and maybe have a snack sometime during the drinkfest.

I agree that the drinking at Epcot is way out of hand, especially compared to the other parks. I no longer go to the F&W festival because of it, and now they are trying to turn the F&G festival into the same thing. Depending on my experience this year during F&G, I may have to mark that time of year off my schedule as well. The drinking is bad enough when they don't have any extra booths selling booze - but it's really bad when they do. It's also not just a late night thing. By 2pm, it's very apparent by smell alone who's been having a bit too much (especially if they end up next to you in line or in a show). I don't want to see drunks vomit, I don't want to smell it as I'm walking around the park, and I certainly don't want them to vomit on me if they can't make it to the nearest planter. Just nasty!

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BoG Restraunt Alcohol

i went to BoG restraunt late october during soft openings, a cast member came over to us and just said rather quiet were open for lunch, come on in and just let us in, it was very quiet think they were testing the place making sure as it officially opened not long after that.

i loved the restraunt, you get the speed of a counter service meal with the attention of a table service meal and its such a magical setting. with the snow falling out the windows and the mountain in the distance you genuinly forget you are in a theme park.

but now.... just to address all these drunken posts around epcot... i gotta ask, why do you go during peak times when you know its a alcohol and food festival??

ive never seen a drunken person ever in epcot, ive seen one or two in DTD eating in the earl of sandwich but never in the parks. disneys policy seems pretty tight on people being drunk anyways,

i had a good drink im not gonna lie, i enjoyed the samuel adams oktoberfest becasue you cant get this back home, i wasnt drunk though! lol i suppose if you saw me coming with my beer in one hand and my epcot food and wine polo shirt having a laugh outloud to myself im more than sure some poeple may think im drunk lol

lets not forget its a vacation and if people are visiting on the weekend with small children they may encounter a few people but lets not forget outside the disney buble we see this same behaviour all the time

at least we do in the UK lol

but im not saying its right or wrong what people are saying i just wanna get my point accross that yes i enjoy the magic disney side of the MK

but equally i also enjoy lookin forward to my food and wine festival its somthing that now im old enough to do (23) i enjoy doing and we do it responsably. me and the wife have good fun their too its nice to have somthing at disney which is for the older crowds, ive also met some
wonderful people during the F&W Fest!

im on vacation, i like enjoying a nice drink around the pool or in a restraunt and somtimes even enjoy a beer at HS on a hot day when were taking a quick break in the HUB

i dont get why so many people seem to think disney is going down hill and walt would spin in his grave lol i think its a little far fetched , never encounted a park drunk and i go yearly and have been yearly since i was a kid, rose tinted glasses maybe?

anyways just my view lol needed to express my views.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:02 AM   #26
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I know alcohol is served in all parks. But I never seem to notice the drunkeness I see in Epcot WS anyplace else. I think there is just something about "drinking around the World" and the adult feeling that part of park seems to bring out.
I agree, I saw plenty of buzzed parents pushing strollers through EPCOT, sad really.
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We've done F&W the last 2 years, will be doing it again this year. We've seen a lot of happy folks, some due to alcohol I'm sure, but none who were belligerent or bad drunks, or people who I'd be uncomfortable to be around. I'm not sure why other people would either... Honestly, in terms of brutal, rude, non-family-friendly behavior, it's always the stone cold sobers who are guilty of acting in a way that I'd be ashamed of.

Anytime I've seen somebody acting like a brat (pushing through crowds, yelling at CMs, or mob mentality behavior), it's been people who were not only old enough, but sober enough, to know the tantrum they're putting on over their expired FP, their long wait for TSM, the ride breakdown on ToT, the impossible-to-get walk-in to BOG, the "must have pin" that's for the AP/Visa/D23 folks only, the lame Vinylmation they got from the mystery box, and on and on and on... Is completely inappropriate and thoroughly ill-suited for a children's park.

I think blaming alcohol is the easy answer to something that isn't really a problem, honestly. I mean, complaining about loud people and spilled drinks and how that's so intimidating that you can't bring your family to EPCOT? REALLY? We're talking about EPCOT, a Disney property, not a dark alley in Amsterdam. Considering the number of popcorn confetti explosions, dropped cups, and loud people I see at MK, I'd say that it's more reasonable to say that it's all the price of being at a major theme park and not the penalty of too much alcohol by a large percentage of folks at the park.

Like I said, having been to F&W, I've seen people who've had too much to drink and are extremely jovial as a result and I've seen the rude, condescending looks, the judgmental attitude, and the high-and-mighty "I can't believe you're drunk at a children's park..." But you know, it's not just for kids, especially EPCOT. And even in all of that, I've never seen anything other then the occasional happy tipsy folks, at night. No throwing up in bushes, no fights, no anything that's disrespectful, horrible, scarring, or inappropriate. Nothing to run out of the park with the family as a result of what's going on.

I think people just go in assuming the worst and are happy at maintaining that assumption so they have something to complain about on the bus and on forums when they get home. I remember a lady making a really rude, loud comment to me at EPCOT on the presumption I was drunk... It had poured rain and my long dress had gotten soaked, so it got super heavy, stretched out, and I was tripping all over it while trying to rush to the exit at closing. I was holding my other half's hand and laughing, trying to manage my dress, and laughing every time I stumbled over it. The lady behind me just yells not at me, but certainly with the intent of me hearing it "Oh my GOD... What is WRONG with a woman who'd go in front of families to get fall down drunk? What is wrong with people these days? PEOPLE need to remember that there are FAMILIES here... What a shame... One person ruins the experience for everybody..." Now, I hadn't had a drop to drink that evening, or that trip for that matter, and didn't drink at all at the time due to a medication/heart condition. But, oh my goodness, you trip all over your dress and laugh about it, suddenly you're a drunken floozy who gets sloshed to the detriment of children. I mean obviously, two adults at Disney with no children? OBVIOUSLY we were going to get hammered... LoL!

Even then, if I had been drunk, which I certainly was not, is seeing somebody who's tipsy and laughing over tripping really the end of the world? Is that traumatizing? Worth fleeing the park over? No. Somebody is enjoying their vacation, just as you are, and they're not hurting anything or anybody. Why is it worth getting in a twist over?
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It can get very rowdy. We witnessed a LOT of drink spilling, loud groups of 10-15 people in matching drinking shirts with trays of drinks each.
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I agree, I saw plenty of buzzed parents pushing strollers through EPCOT, sad really.
This wasn't intended to be a "bash Epcot" thread, but instead was intended to inquire as to whether the introduction of beer and wine into the MK has resulted in any perceived "slippage" of that park away from the "family atmosphere" that many sought to protect.

(And don't worry. Three months after the Main Street Bakery re-opens, there will be a follow-up thread inquiring whether the introduction of Starbucks into the MK has ruined anyone's vacation. )
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This wasn't intended to be a "bash Epcot" thread, but instead was intended to inquire as to whether the introduction of beer and wine into the MK has resulted in any perceived "slippage" of that park away from the "family atmosphere" that many sought to protect.

(And don't worry. Three months after the Main Street Bakery re-opens, there will be a follow-up thread inquiring whether the introduction of Starbucks into the MK has ruined anyone's vacation. )
I was replying to a specific poster who asked what would make someone uncomfortable.
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