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Old 02-09-2013, 08:04 PM   #31
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Hi Barry - thanks for all your posts - REALLY helpful!! I was pretty much hooked on the first 2 FP+ threads. Please excuse me if I missed this, but are what you are listing as "Tier 1 & Tier 2" rides for sure now? Or are we still speculating? Thanks!
Total speculation.

There hasn't even been a trial run in Epcot or animal kingdom...so nothing to go on. We don't know if it will even be tiered yet, but the numbers are pretty clear... There are plenty of fastpasses if they limit the headliners to one, if they try two....there won't be enough. So, that does say something.
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Total speculation.

There hasn't even been a trial run in Epcot or animal kingdom...so nothing to go on. We don't know if it will even be tiered yet, but the numbers are pretty clear... There are plenty of fastpasses if they limit the headliners to one, if they try two....there won't be enough. So, that does say something.
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Do you think they will be skipped more in AK than the other parks? Do you think FP or FP+ will have people skip the times more? I've just always assumed, I know what that can make me , people would be more likely to use their FP+'s than the traditional FP.

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People seem to abandon Animal Kingdom earlier than all the other parks. It totally makes sense that part of the plan is to get more people in that park and keep them there. I think your right, people would be less likely to bail on a FP+ because they are limited.

There really are two questions in regards to skipped fastpasses...

The first one, I don't have any clue how to even analyze - How will it affect standby lines? If a lot of people skip fastpass + does that speed up the standby lines because less people are "jumping in" or does it slow them down, because there aren't enough fastpasses available to skip lines so everybody resigns themselves to long standby lines. I just don't know.

But the second question intrigues me. Disney is probably hoping people won't use their FP+ so they can overbook book them. If only 75% of eligible FP+ are used then 25% can be booked twice.

For example at DAK, if 85,000 are available to disperse - but they can count on 25% not showing up - they can disperse an additional 20,000 passes. That more than makes up the deficit. If that no show rate is only 10% it is still huge.
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My curiosity about this whole thing is, "Will the capacity of the most popular attractions end up determining daily park attendance?"

Would you go to a park, if you don't have Fastpasses reserved, making riding a top-tier attraction difficult? This is a question locals, and people that tend to make trips with short notice are going to have to answer.

I kind of hope that Fastpass+ ends up creating a crisis situation where the parks need to add capacity among E-ticket level rides if they want to increase attendance. Also, that they will have to increase the quality (ie perform proper maintenance and "refreshing") of middle-tier attractions, so if you go to a park and can't ride the headliner attractions, you will still think you had a satisfying day. Right now, I'm not sure people will be happy if their day consisted of the Treehouse, Tiki Room, Hall of Presidents, Peoplemover, the Carousel and Tom Sawyer's Island. Just guessing about what theoretically may be visitable by people "just showing up," without forethought. Like the limited choices that happens now with dining reservations. Or visiting a park on a Holiday - but with far fewer people physically in the park. If every day is like that, I can't see it as being a win for Disney. Especially, for the smaller parks. How many people show up at AK people know you can't get on Everest and the Safari without booking your FP months in advance? The Studios if ToT and RnRC are booked up? This is the one area that based on how Disney does things, I'm sure they are NOT properly accounting for human behavior.

On second thought, after spending $1.5 billion on technology, I can't really see them dumping a ton of money on rides. It's always seemed to me that Fastpass, and now this, were being used as the cheaper option to deal with what has always been, a capacity problem. But I'll still hope this will force Disney's hand.
By the way Hopemax - THANK YOU for all your valuable information!

IF the top rides are booked up in one park would that force people to a park with ride capacity still left. That seems to be a big part of this.

It is obvious that Animal Kingdom needs a couple more quality rides to take up more slack. Magic Kingdom will be in good shape after the Mine Train comes on board, but the other parks need a little help. The brass has clearly said this 1.5 billion dollar investment is to maximize on current infrastructure. Even being extremely optimistic, there won't be a major addition to any of the "other" three parks until 2016 more than likely later than that.
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summary on first page...

I tried to summarize the numbers in the first post. Pick them apart, they can be updated.

I have no idea on capacity of prime seating for parades, fireworks, and meet and greets. No idea on Belle's Tales or Jedi Training. No idea on Quick Service. If 125,000 people are in the park a day, how many will burn a FP+ on a Counter Service "order ahead"? I just can't even imagine.
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I wonder how this thread affects the 60% FP distribution rate?
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The things related in that other thread should not be a surprise to anyone.

Disney is spending $1.5 billion on this, and that probably doesn't include all of the operational expenses. By comparison, the re-do of DCA was $1.1 billion.

So they are looking for big time revenue out of this. How do you do that without actually offering any new attractions, and only small new experiences, AND while actually taking a few things away? You create demand for your new product by making the alternative less favorable. For example, you issue more FPs. This makes My Magic+ more valuable, and makes forgoing it a more unpleasant experience since standby lines will increase, and you will eventually not be able to use the current FP system at all.
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Wow, some interesting updates out there.

Some speculative comments on my behalf -

1. Fast Pass distribution: In theory, this new system could really be lean and efficient, reintroducing unused FP+ immediately back into the system with some sort of time and distance algorithm - ie - joe and betsy booked their 9 am space fp two months ago, but have slept in the morning of their fp+, and if the bracelet is not detected in the park by a certain time, that fp+ could reenter the pool. Or, it could adjust the hourly fp+ based on numerious unused fp+ in the previous hour with the 'here and now' and 'surprise and amaze' features.

(note to self- the gps bus system for Disney sounded great on paper too - and what a nightmare that still is - awful!)

2. Wowza on that thread regarding standby times Barry! For some reason, I thought Disney was going to offer carrots to make the FP+ a desired thing. Does not look that way, huh? Its a big ugly stick. Im not so sure this is malfunctioning technology as it is a stratedgy as Raidermatt stated in the post above. Maybe a combination of both.

3. I would never argue that the billion bucks was well spent by Disney for us the avid user. 10 brand new E attractions would have been amazing. But marketing and promotion, efficiency and leaness, data and control, this could pay off big time for the mouse in the amount of money it is going to bring them. And if they did not think it was going to pay off big time, they would not be doing it, that is for sure.

I do think however, there is a concept that may end up working amazing for us the user. A totally interactive experience while on Disney property, from the moment you enter the gates. Maybe from the moment you drive in. (I have no idea if this is the concept of the imagineers, but my speculation based on some of the limited details they have released). The concept is - the ride never stops- everything you do is interactive while in the park, making walking to your next attraction part of the fun, kwim? I dont think its just going to be 'Hello Megan' from the princess at the meet and greet. It could be walking down mainstreet, store displays react to your magic band, water squirts at your kids as they pass the fountains, Mickey appears 'magically' in pictures during your wait in line and 'talks to YOU" ie, specifically any data you have allowed the system to follow regarding your day, playing in the interactive games that are already in place, ect. A total immersion in Magic- if it works, it would be amazing.

Background story - my parents took us as children to disney a couple of years after it opened. I would have been about 8. The one thing that I remember most about that visit - Peter Pan's Flight. As a kid, I had no idea about the 'track' above the boat, I thought it was really magic. It was so impressive, and I still love that ride even to this day, because of those memories. When I took my kids on that ride for the first time, it was not really magic to my 8 year old (5 year old, yes). But the techno and thrill seaking society they are growing up in, kids are not the same in this day and age, as they were 40 years ago. Consider what Walt thought was 'magical and impressive', compared to expectations of today. Hollygolitely made a statement not so long ago on a thread in this forum saying something to the effect that thrill rides are not so much catering to a age group (ie teens) so much as a height group - 48" - because if many tall 5 year olds and 6 year olds are wanting to do those thrilling rides as much as any teen. I dont mean the "Universal's Pee your Pants type of thrill ride", I mean the great Disney Family style thrill ride, like BTMRR. Now, imagine this same xbox playing 8 year old in todays age, walking by a painting of Mickey that magically comes to life- adresses the kid by name, and asks him how he liked space mountain which he just rode. If the kid answers I loved it - then maybe a scanable bar code comes up, and a suprise and amaze FP+ for Space is given to the family. I think (again, this is just my opinion), I think that kids would think that is pretty cool, and impressive - even if they understand the magic is a product of computer generation. And twenty years from now, they will be dragging their kids to see how cool Disney is, and reliving the 'magic' from their childhood. This is where I see the potential for us, the guest. And, as a concept, I think its a 'knock it out of the park' - IF and I say again IF they can make the technology work.
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I do think however, there is a concept that may end up working amazing for us the user. A totally interactive experience while on Disney property, from the moment you enter the gates. Maybe from the moment you drive in. (I have no idea if this is the concept of the imagineers, but my speculation based on some of the limited details they have released). The concept is - the ride never stops- everything you do is interactive while in the park, making walking to your next attraction part of the fun, kwim? I dont think its just going to be 'Hello Megan' from the princess at the meet and greet. It could be walking down mainstreet, store displays react to your magic band, water squirts at your kids as they pass the fountains, Mickey appears 'magically' in pictures during your wait in line and 'talks to YOU" ie, specifically any data you have allowed the system to follow regarding your day, playing in the interactive games that are already in place, ect. A total immersion in Magic- if it works, it would be amazing.

Background story - my parents took us as children to disney a couple of years after it opened. I would have been about 8. The one thing that I remember most about that visit - Peter Pan's Flight. As a kid, I had no idea about the 'track' above the boat, I thought it was really magic. It was so impressive, and I still love that ride even to this day, because of those memories. When I took my kids on that ride for the first time, it was not really magic to my 8 year old (5 year old, yes). But the techno and thrill seaking society they are growing up in, kids are not the same in this day and age, as they were 40 years ago. Consider what Walt thought was 'magical and impressive', compared to expectations of today. Hollygolitely made a statement not so long ago on a thread in this forum saying something to the effect that thrill rides are not so much catering to a age group (ie teens) so much as a height group - 48" - because if many tall 5 year olds and 6 year olds are wanting to do those thrilling rides as much as any teen. I dont mean the "Universal's Pee your Pants type of thrill ride", I mean the great Disney Family style thrill ride, like BTMRR. Now, imagine this same xbox playing 8 year old in todays age, walking by a painting of Mickey that magically comes to life- adresses the kid by name, and asks him how he liked space mountain which he just rode. If the kid answers I loved it - then maybe a scanable bar code comes up, and a suprise and amaze FP+ for Space is given to the family. I think (again, this is just my opinion), I think that kids would think that is pretty cool, and impressive - even if they understand the magic is a product of computer generation. And twenty years from now, they will be dragging their kids to see how cool Disney is, and reliving the 'magic' from their childhood. This is where I see the potential for us, the guest. And, as a concept, I think its a 'knock it out of the park' - IF and I say again IF they can make the technology work.
I think you are right that there can be some value in the interactive elements. Heck, I think even us old folks would be amazed by the ability to get that special FP+ because we said we loved Space Mt. But that example also speaks to part of the problem. In the end, you are still just redistributing what you already had. This new ability is being implemented INSTEAD of more tangible capital improvements.

In other words, instead of giving the new generation the new improved version of your example of Peter Pan, Disney is trying to keep them satisfied with the current Peter Pan. If what you are saying about rising expectations is true, and I think that is true by the way, Disney's strategy isn't likely to work. We are already seeing that a lack of new attractions results in stagnating attendance.

As a supplement to new attractions, this would have a much better chance of being a hit.
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I cant argue your point about the regarding tangable capital improvements. You are right.

But, I want to look at this like Disney the machine looks at this, not as a guest enjoying the park. And I think this is going to make them a WHACK of money, but not necessarily addressing stagnating attendance by adding huge, draw them in new attractions.

What (I think) gets Disney hot and bothered and excited about this new product, (or rather perhaps, old product in a brand new package)...

edited to add: If you dont want to read my long winded post, here is the summary: MORE MONEY OUT OF THE SAME NUMBER OF GUESTS

1. Purchasing theme park tickets 60 days in advance: They have now tied a huge bow on early purchasing for theme park tickets by forcing people to want to book their FP+. This is not only for the onsite guest, but for the offsite guest. Not only do they get to hold our money 60 days or more out (nice interest), but it locks guests in to coming, or spending the number of days they purchased ESPECIALLY if they do away with the NON EXPIRING ticket!!! (side note: I have been mulling over the rumoured death of this ticket feature, and I think it has to tie in to the fact of the early purchase coupled with the 'guarentee' that once you use the first day, you are going to use all your days or lose them. Also, does that mean that we are in for a bumpy ride?)
Ok, I know if I posted this on the themes board, I would have several people screaming - nobody is going to plan that early, most certainly not 'US", we didnt even want to plan our meals out that early! But, did you notice since the 'almost' disappearance of the walk up ressie, everybody books early, not only the educated user, but a larger majority? NOw, there are a few threads in theme parks talking about horrendous standby lines for the major attractions, and although nobody has said it out loud, I know they are all thinking - damn - we better make sure we get our fast passes. And when they do away with the old system, it will be the same people talking about strategys on booking the BEST fp+ at the 60 day mark. Can disney get the absolute non planner to do this? I think absolutely yes. With a little advertising, and some long frigging standby line experiences, perhaps an early purchase discount to start the program rolling - they are going to train their mice to run through the maze. thats my opinion, flame away!

2. Cost Effectiveness, Crowd Control, Data and Management: If they can get a large percentage of the population to purchase tickets in advance and book their FP's, then, they are going to get a huge money savings reward - accurate planning for crowds, a tool to spread out the crowds between all four parks, a tool to spread out crowds within any given park, a device which to spread guests out even at quick service dining locations. HOLY CATS! Not only can they staff parks accurately, but by spreading out the crowds, they can encourage SPENDING in both the food and merchandise industry. If the line up is short for the 'till' or counter, and the process of purchasing is quick and simple, then people are more likely get in the line. Which brings up another huge money maker for the Big D

3. Purchasing STUFF: I got an education from rustyscrappers thread regarding the magic bands. They are magic all right, magic for the mouse. Waving an arm infront of a reader at the til, and presto, item paid for - will speed up the process of checking out to a huge degree, allowing more people through the line at a faster rate. Added benefit of the casino chip mentality - its not cold hard cash you are handing over, yet. Even if you are sending your purchase back to your hotel room, all the data is associated with that chip, instead of filling in a form. Great thread. Mega return on the investment for Mickey.

4.The magical express of the magic + : I loved how Disney just took a huge whack out any competing theme park or attraction in Orlando by offering guests FREE bus ride to and from the theme parks. Just a free bus ride - but it makes guests not get a rental car, and go explore other attractions. Land locks those resort guests in. Brilliant. Here is the tie in: I think that with FP+, prebooking the fastpass, non expiring ticket disappearance, is going to do the same thing in a more subtle way. Lock those guests in, but not only RESORT guests, but hello, all those who stay off site too - because NOW, Disney has their greedy little hands on them too. (assuming disney can train them to prepurchase and plan - which I think YES, but several think NO). But think about it, Disney is attempting to lock in off site guests, and what those guests do, and EVEN WHEN. Its a hot sunny day, and the Holiday Inn guest was thinking of trying to get to the local other waterpark, but - the misses booked space mountain and Wishes for today. They were hard to get! And it seems we cant change that FP+ for those events anytime while we are down, and our tickets will expire at the end of the trip, so we better go to the MK. Hmmmm,,,, nice. (I love the psychology of those Disney Bean counters)

5: Seven Day Vacation Theory: I was reading some interesting forums regarding the fact that no matter how much stuff Disney builds, majority of guests still will only stay 7 days. The four parks and 2 waterparks are enough to interest and keep people for 7 days, adding more wont net a tangible growth. I am probably going to state this wrong, or not be clear at what I am trying to say, but Disney does not want to add Whacks more of people to their parks, they want to spread them out throughout the year, and run close to maximum at all times. I think you can see that Disney is being successful at doing this right now (think how busy the fall is now, which use to be so slow- but those Halloween parties are a big draw, and the dreaded free dining too). Now, just go and read the theme parks forum, and see how successful Disney is at wooing the international traveler for January and February. Huge tour groups big time. I think this new FP+ is just another major wheel in this cog - and my major point here is - Disney is not worried too much about adding a large quantitiy of new major attractions to bring people in. I think they will just add enough, or renew and revamp enough, to bring people back. The cavaet to this is AK and perhaps even Epcot to a degree - I think they have to add a few attractions, and at least one E attraction to these parks just purely for the FP+ management. Last thought on this. If 10 major E attractions cost 1 billion (a number I stole off Robo (or mesaboy?) I think on another thread), do you think an increase in attendance would pay off for Disney like FP+ would? Nope, I dont think so. I think its easy to see how disney is going to make huge sums of money (huge tracts of land anybody? :>) with this new program. It could be how they think they are going to fund a new land in AK with a substantial increase in revenue that will happen consistently at all 4 parks. jmho.

6. Promotion: I think it will be easy to see how extra FP+ will be used as an enticement for people to stay onsite. It will probably replace EMH, allowing for shorter hours, less staffing ect ect. A very effective and cost saving promo. Brilliant. Huge money maker.

7. The New Generation Theme Park: I want to say, that if done right, the immersive interactive element of this program, can be a huge plus for Disney. It could be a major draw, done right. The potential is there. I am concerned that they have the idea for this, but their technology is going to lag behind. I was reading the threads regarding the horror of Disney's free WIFI, and how there are current issues with disneys technology equipment, which will cause big old issue. I am assuming that part of the 1 billion is to update and improve these issues, but you know what assuming does! So, it could end up like the bus gps system - nice idea, terrible application, negative result.
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I'm following along on this thread but I have to say that when there is anything mathematical involved, my brain does tend to switch off so I certainly wouldn't have anything worthwhile to add.

With that said (because I am truly a math dunce) is it feasible that there will be different FP+ allocations depending on the "season"? I've seen a lot of posts around based on the average daily attendance for each park, but there are some inherent problems with that, because if you simply take the annual guest count and divide it by the days in the year, to get the average attendance per day, you are going to get skewed figures.

There are days when parks reach capacity and days when attendance is really low so the numbers of FP slots "needed" on different days will vary massively. So, my feeling is, it will make better sense for Disney (in a number of ways) if the allocations of FP+ slots varied depending on the "season".
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I'm following along on this thread but I have to say that when there is anything mathematical involved, my brain does tend to switch off so I certainly wouldn't have anything worthwhile to add.

With that said (because I am truly a math dunce) is it feasible that there will be different FP+ allocations depending on the "season"? I've seen a lot of posts around based on the average daily attendance for each park, but there are some inherent problems with that, because if you simply take the annual guest count and divide it by the days in the year, to get the average attendance per day, you are going to get skewed figures.

There are days when parks reach capacity and days when attendance is really low so the numbers of FP slots "needed" on different days will vary massively. So, my feeling is, it will make better sense for Disney (in a number of ways) if the allocations of FP+ slots varied depending on the "season".
I think you are right. And it does say in the Terms and Conditions that the Fastpass+ allocation can vary based on a wide range of conditions including time of the year.

All the numbers on this thread are based on 60% FP allocation, but there are indications that the number can reach as high as 80% - that is a significant increase in the FP distributed. That would really clog up those standby lines.

It does seem like the FP+ "power" or "value" will be less significant in the off peak seasons. Do people really even need them in September? I don't know, I only go in peak times.

This is another reason why I think the Dynamic Pricing will be coming after the magicbands are in place. This could distribute crowds more evenly through the year to keep the value of the FP at a high level throughout the year.
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from several newstories...

I think this response from Disney to privacy concerns is a little disingenuous:

Disney calls the concerns ludicrous, saying quote: MyMagic+ is a completely optional program&. Disney does not use personal information to market to children under age 13& and never shares childrens personal information with any third party&.

That is great - but MyMagic+ really won't be optional if the goal is to create that gate to gate immersion experience that Rileygirl described. Also, since when is a 13-14-15-16 year old kid not a child? So they are saying that they will share those age levels personal information third parties.

I do think it will be easy to turn off the direct marketing (but of course then everyone will lose out on the "surprise and delight" FP+ added along the way).

It is completely optional - you can choose to not participate in the new interactive queues and ride experiences, miss out on extra FP, and not use the FP system at all. If people are really concerned about this, the only really opt out choice is to not to go.

I guess if a lot of people choose to skip the MyMagic+ and magicbands that would open up FP+ also to help alleviate the attendance versus FP+ ratio.
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7. The New Generation Theme Park: I want to say, that if done right, the immersive interactive element of this program, can be a huge plus for Disney. It could be a major draw, done right. The potential is there. I am concerned that they have the idea for this, but their technology is going to lag behind. I was reading the threads regarding the horror of Disney's free WIFI, and how there are current issues with disneys technology equipment, which will cause big old issue. I am assuming that part of the 1 billion is to update and improve these issues, but you know what assuming does! So, it could end up like the bus gps system - nice idea, terrible application, negative result.
I agree with you about the goal of total park experience. And Disney only had to drop a new attraction every 5-6 years to keep the loyal happy. Eventually, the technology has to be worked out.

I am having trouble though equating this new path with high tech excitement. Is this really as cool as the haunted mansion in 1971? Is it even as cool as the haunted mansion in 2013? Based on the best possible scenarios, I think people will eventually tune out the Disney background noise provided by mymagic+. on the other hand, People haven't really tired of Splash Mountain.

If you watch the special Disneyland Goes to the 1964 Worlds Fair, you can watch pure magic taking place. Things that people just couldn't imagine. I don't see anything in the mymagic+ doing that. With over a billion dollars they could have turned the imagineers loose.

I also agree they need to add a few things to Epcot and animal kingdom to add fastpass capacity.
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