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Old 02-15-2013, 01:45 PM   #2146
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I took "Esther" to be some type of herb or oil - not a person. But I could be wrong.
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:50 PM   #2147
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I took "Esther" to be some type of herb or oil - not a person. But I could be wrong.


Oh lord, I think you might be right!!!

Thinking back about that now in that context, I really do think you're right.
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:51 PM   #2148
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Has this Dr. testified? If not I am sure the prosecution may bring him on. I only ask about the above, is I think I missed some people's testimony before I started watching the trial. I remember him saying that she introduced him to the stuff.
Jodi claims she introduced him to K-Y only because he used vaseline because he wouldn't be caught buying K-Y in public. Esther (?) had brought something else for him to use (I forgot what LOL) with her and he had run out of that. Supposedly.

She also claims that they used it for "both" types of sex. It sounds like they (Jodi and defense) are suggesting that seeing as how she was just going along with things for Travis, she needed something artificial to help, because natural wasn't happening. I call BS.

I don't think the Dr in the article really has anything to offer, testimony-wise.
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Wouldn't that depend on what they (as in any of them, whoever they are) considered sex to be?

Travis said he always used Vaseline before Jodi and KY.

I'm trying to keep in mind this is family board when I answer.
I don't know what he used Vaseline for and I don't want to, but to me that makes him seem kind of naive and not as experienced as Jodi.

I don't think as Esther has been identified. What the vaseline with esther means is anyone's guess. I'm not convinced he was any kind of virgin before Jodi. I don't think less of him b/c of that, but I'm not Mormon either.

I think if he wasn't so naive and rather nice, and he stopped thinking with his pants he would have gotten out of the relationship with Jodi. I think she was always in his face offering herself up and he never said no to the sex. Jodi thought that would work and he would stay with her and then the resentment just built and built when she knew he was done; and by then, her crazy was showing. So she wouldn't have been able to get any other nice Mormom men from that group.
Her whole life was involved with his...the friends, the church, the job. Travis had to go.

I wish he could have seen her for what she really was.
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:12 PM   #2150
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Since she admitted to the murder, if the jury does not give her the death penalty, does the judge decide the sentence? She will stay in prison, right? Or could she be acquitted of her charges?
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I just think it's odd that Travis is given a pass (by some) for continuing his relationship with stalker Jodi because he couldn't help himself as opposed to she wouldn't stay away from this abusive man because she couldn't help herself.

And I don't think there's a lot of difference in who wanted the sex, just coz he's male doesn't excuse him, comparing Jodi to a 12 year old etc. etc. is disgusting along with his statement that he raped her and had no second thought about it.
I'm not giving Travis a pass on anything. I believe they were two consensual adults, but very dysfunctional. But of the two of them, Jodi is the one that brought this inability to break off the relationship to a lethal end.

I certainly believe that as much as Travis enjoyed kinky sex, SO DID JODI. For all we know, it was JODI who played up the little girl scenario, the porn star scenario, the tree scenario or the rape scenario. You know, there ARE women who are as kinky and/or sexual as men. We don't know who started it, which one of them might have gone along with it for the enjoyment of the other, or if they both found it to be equally stimulating. And quite honestly, I think they're making a big to do about nothing, that Jodi sounded like a 12 year old. She sounds like a 12 year old all the time, and if he blurted that out because that was his reference for "innocence" and they both got off on the idea of innocence lost, then . Doesn't make him a pedophile. If you find it disgusting, then they're both disgusting. Personally, I found their phone sex consensual, and none of anybody's business, until Jodi made it so.
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I'm not giving Travis a pass on anything. I believe they were two consensual adults, but very dysfunctional. But of the two of them, Jodi is the one that brought this inability to break off the relationship to a lethal end.

I certainly believe that as much as Travis enjoyed kinky sex, SO DID JODI. For all we know, it was JODI who played up the little girl scenario, the porn star scenario, the tree scenario or the rape scenario. You know, there ARE women who are as kinky and/or sexual as men. We don't know who started it, which one of them might have gone along with it for the enjoyment of the other, or if they both found it to be equally stimulating. And quite honestly, I think they're making a big to do about nothing, that Jodi sounded like a 12 year old. She sounds like a 12 year old all the time, and if he blurted that out because that was his reference for "innocence" and they both got off on the idea of innocence lost, then . Doesn't make him a pedophile. If you find it disgusting, then they're both disgusting. Personally, I found their phone sex consensual, and none of anybody's business, until Jodi made it so.
Oh, no doubt, they're both pretty disgusting weak natured people, no reason for a murder, but I think this testimony including the phone call just allows the jury to see what may be the mitigating factors of this relationship. It's really gonna be up to each juror to decide that.

But just for the record, it was Travis who said Jodi sounded like a 12 year old girl and that it was hot, not the talking heads on TV or even her attorneys.
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Since she admitted to the murder, if the jury does not give her the death penalty, does the judge decide the sentence? She will stay in prison, right? Or could she be acquitted of her charges?
Oh lord, I can't even see her being acquitted, she's gonna be locked up, just depends on what they find her guilty of, 1st degree premeditated (which carries death penalty) or 2nd degree murder.
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I'm not giving Travis a pass on anything. I believe they were two consensual adults, but very dysfunctional. But of the two of them, Jodi is the one that brought this inability to break off the relationship to a lethal end.

I certainly believe that as much as Travis enjoyed kinky sex, SO DID JODI. For all we know, it was JODI who played up the little girl scenario, the porn star scenario, the tree scenario or the rape scenario. You know, there ARE women who are as kinky and/or sexual as men. We don't know who started it, which one of them might have gone along with it for the enjoyment of the other, or if they both found it to be equally stimulating. And quite honestly, I think they're making a big to do about nothing, that Jodi sounded like a 12 year old. She sounds like a 12 year old all the time, and if he blurted that out because that was his reference for "innocence" and they both got off on the idea of innocence lost, then . Doesn't make him a pedophile. If you find it disgusting, then they're both disgusting. Personally, I found their phone sex consensual, and none of anybody's business, until Jodi made it so.
I agree. I've said all along that he was nuts for not staying away from her. And I also think that he was as kinky as she was. But she's said a lot of stuff that has no proof other than what she says, and she's a far cry from being honest. Her "spin" can make a lot of things sound different from what they actually were.
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:49 PM   #2155
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If Esther comes out other than a girl I will be blushing.....

They were two consenting adults role playing. I believe Jodi turned him onto the idea of it. Jodi is not nor has ever been battered. The minute she killed him she knew if she admitted to it all this would come out. So now she has the hardest questions of her life to come yet.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:13 PM   #2156
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:16 PM   #2157
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OK I'll try..........Phil may get deleted half way.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:19 PM   #2158
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Hi All
Just checking in...and thanks for the good wishes......alls well
One would think Id be used to the follow up appts...but it never leaves me....theres always that anxiety/scare factor ....

Anyhoo..
I feel like Im going thru Trial withdrawal
So curious as to how she will try and explain away ..so many things.....the list is really endless.

Enjoy your weekend....Looks like we'll be chilling up here again (NY) , and I was just loving the bit of sunshine we've gotten lately...

I cant get to Florida soon enough
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found a blurb online, its Baez, would have liked to see it, not sure what time Phil airs here ...........................
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Just checking in...and thanks for the good wishes......alls well
One would think Id be used to the follow up appts...but it never leaves me....theres always that anxiety/scare factor ....

Anyhoo..
I feel like Im going thru Trial withdrawal
So curious as to how she will try and explain away ..so many things.....the list is really endless.

Enjoy your weekend....Looks like we'll be chilling up here again (NY) , and I was just loving the bit of sunshine we've gotten lately...

I cant get to Florida soon enough
Good to hear, just in time for the weekend, enjoy!

I took the whole day off from TruTV and HLN, but couldn't stay away from this thread.
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