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Old 02-14-2013, 05:27 PM   #136
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I was wondering that too, but I guess that makes sense. Seems like there might be a way to do it safely with life boats? After all, usually the plan with life boats is that another boat will come by and pick up those passengers, they're not actually expected to row to shore unless they happen to be close to one.
Even with a lifeboat it would be hard to step/jump into the lifeboat which would be bouncing and moving about and at a different rate and movement from that of the vessel.


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Old 02-14-2013, 05:33 PM   #137
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IA reort that she is getting ready to enter the bay or at least approaching it.

The tugboat Resolve Pioneer was pull/lead boat, (doing the towing) when she had a mechcanical breakdown on the tow winch and the cable broke. She has been released.

The tugboats, Roland A Falgout, Hawk and 1 or 2 more boats are going to be taking her up the channel.

A note from the terminal, children and handcapped passigners will be the first off the vessel....not sure how that will all work out, taking into account families etc.

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Old 02-14-2013, 06:08 PM   #138
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I was watching CNN and it was reported that they are doing some of the customs things on board (since they never ported, no one could bring on bad things or buy anything over the limits anyway), so people might be able to just walk off.

Sounds like most of the interior cabin occupants are on the upper decks as there is no a/c. Those with verandahs are using their own.

There were actually a few reports by people who said it wasnt' that bad, but they admitted it was hard on babies, toddlers and the elderly.

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Old 02-14-2013, 06:10 PM   #139
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DS worked on oil rigs. The people were lowered on rafts from helicopters onto the platforms. I nearly died watching!!!

Now, Tenders would have worked. Was that ever a consideration...one ship to another?
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:54 PM   #140
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Alabama Papers Now Reporting

that passengers not expected to disembark until Friday Morning.

...something I think Tonka's Skipper suggested might be the case this morning.

It sounds like it will be a difficult process to get Triumph docked.
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I just am surprised that since the first thread was closed down, that anyone would start new ones. That was kind of a hint to me that the subject matter has a way of getting hot.
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One problem that Disney would have, they don't have the other cruise ships in the area to bring them food like Carnival has. In that sense, the people on the Triumph were lucky that they were on a cruise line that has a lot of ships.

Even with your new less sarcastic posts, I still think you're the only one here actually edging the line on whether we're keeping on topic. I feel like you are just here to bait people into discussion, not OP's intended topic of information.

For everyone else, thanks for the relevant, drama-free discussion.
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I wonder if they need power to use the lifeboats? I would be awful tempted to just get a group together and board a lifeboat. This is like router what those poor people are going through.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:00 PM   #143
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Hey y'all... can we please keep this thread on topic and not throw in our own sarcastic commentary? Whoever started it... we can all finish it... "its takes two to tango." I like this thread being only informational and thoughtful, not cat fights... Please, let's remain on topic...

Please don't respond to my post and lets just get back to the topic on hand... Thank you.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:02 PM   #144
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I wonder if they need power to use the lifeboats? I would be awful tempted to just get a group together and board a lifeboat. This is like router what those poor people are going through.
Some ships require power to lower the lifeboats, the Disney Magic and Wonder included. But they usually have back up power available for those. It has become a new standard to have lifeboats that can be launched using only gravity. The Dream and Fantasy have this. I believe they have electronic assist, but in the case of power loss, they can be lowered manually... but yes very tempting to just take a boat...
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:28 PM   #145
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Now, Tenders would have worked. Was that ever a consideration...one ship to another?
Were there even tenders available? I know the ships I cruised on 30 years ago had their own tenders with them, but I think a lot of cruise lines hire local tenders rather than carry them on the ship. And of course, if the seas were too rough, no dice. That is also assuming there was another ship with capacity to take on the passengers.

SS Norway used to have it's own tender that they would hoist on and off the ship in port since there were many ports it could not dock in.
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Now, Tenders would have worked. Was that ever a consideration...one ship to another?
Two problems with using tenders to get passengers off the Triumph and to another ship. One, getting passengers onto a tender is not a risk-free operation. If you have been tendered into a port for a port of call, its usually been done while in the calm waters of a sheltered harbor or bay -- not in the open ocean where even minor swells of 3-5 feet can make transfers risky. Keep in mind that during normal tendering a ship has power to stabilize itself while the passengers. The Triumph has no control and can't stabilize itself while passengers transfer to the tenders.

The second problem is that if 3,000 passengers are transferred to another ship, then you basically need another cruise ship, an empty cruise ship, to accommodate those passengers. Carnival would have had to cancel another's ship's cruise and divert it to meet up with the Triumph.

Edited to Add: The Triumph's lifeboats would serve as tenders.
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As much as this is a horrible tragedy. Because it is. But not one life was lost. No one died. And in recent news of other ships accidents, this is a blessing. So as much as it is a hardship to poop in a bag and be hungry, they all get to go home to their loved ones. But I cannot imagine their life and stress level right now
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:57 PM   #148
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Has anyone heard why they're not getting hotel rooms for passengers in Mobile? Here in Alabama, the president of Mobile's visitors bureau is quoted as saying that they have plenty of hotel rooms for all, not just the ones they reserved for crew members. I figure there must be a reason, but it wasn't addressed at the press conference. Not looking to start a Carnival bash, just sincerely curious if a reason has been given.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:57 PM   #149
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Were there even tenders available? I know the ships I cruised on 30 years ago had their own tenders with them, but I think a lot of cruise lines hire local tenders rather than carry them on the ship. . .
When I sailed on HAL and Princess (as recently as last week), they routinely used their lifeboats as tenders.

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Old 02-14-2013, 10:11 PM   #150
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Has anyone heard why they're not getting hotel rooms for passengers in Mobile? Here in Alabama, the president of Mobile's visitors bureau is quoted as saying that they have plenty of hotel rooms for all, not just the ones they reserved for crew members. I figure there must be a reason, but it wasn't addressed at the press conference. Not looking to start a Carnival bash, just sincerely curious if a reason has been given.
I think someone posted a couple pages back that the people on the ship would rather get back to Huston then stay anywhere.
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