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Old 01-10-2013, 12:41 PM   #1066
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I care about whether my ride access will be diminished. Period. And these 2 points are why.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:00 PM   #1067
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But for now - I am simply a stay at home mom

"So in your Family, Johnny gets his dream, Susie gets her dream, but sorry Bobby we couldn't choose yours. Then your choice on the second list is none of the above."

We dont know what the available "pre" FP+ would be atm - would they be the test list we have seen - or all of them open or limits on which list?

but in the situation you supply - with 3 per day in 1 park - since resort guests are likely to stay multiple days - perhaps you could do 2 magic kingdom days - Or - maybe Johnny's dream is in Epcot on Tuesday - and Susie and bobby are in Magic Kingdom which you visit Wednesday.

I am really looking forward to more concrete information being released

Also I said at the top of my post

Fp stays basically the SAME for all guests - I.e when guests get to the park - they have the same time limits and availability as they do NOW. I did read a post from a blog that said as much ..looking very Disney official - i will try and find it.
So - for those that like to ride Test track 5 times - sure - use your FP+ on Testtrack for lets say 1pm - get there at opening, grab a FP , ride stand by , use your FP, Ride standby, grab ANOTHER FP cause time window is open now, Use your FP+ cause the time slot is open -Heck ride it AGAIn standby and then come back to ride on your Last FP time slot.
Your doing nothing really different then you do now. Your still spending the day at testrack juggling standby and FP times - you just have one additonal FP+ you planned ahead on.

Disney is making a perk for ONSITE guests and limiting them to 3 "pre"FP+- and maximizing the experiences to everything people wait for - Not just rides
but meet and greets, parades, fireworks - these PreFP+'s make the vacation for guests.

Now lets add another twist - what if ONLY resort guests got to choose certain options - lets say the Firework and parade "pre" FP+ option - i.e regular guests can choose FP+ from the Standard selection of current FP options i.e rides. But the perk to have a Firework viewing area or parade area...thats for resort guests. That further thins our the impact of "preFP+" on line ques - because their making the choices to invest in experiences. Its another Perk to staying On site - and takes nothing away from off site because it was a free for all BEFORE the FP+ anyways - its business as usual. Stake out a spot 1 hour ahead.
What if you have 4 kids? Even if all their favs were available the 3 limit means someone misses out. And what about parents? Do they not get to choose any favs?
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:07 PM   #1068
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What if you have 4 kids? Even if all their favs were available the 3 limit means someone misses out. And what about parents? Do they not get to choose any favs?
Then you either try for same-day FPs for the fourth ride or you wait in the standby line and play with the interactive queue.

What do you do now if you can only get FPs for three out of four must-do rides?
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:07 PM   #1069
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What if you have 4 kids? Even if all their favs were available the 3 limit means someone misses out. And what about parents? Do they not get to choose any favs?
Clearly then Mom gets one, Dad gets one and your 4 kids all have to arm wrestle for the last one
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:08 PM   #1070
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What percentage of "good ones" will make a difference?
I don't think percentages matter, at this point. They will be easily adjusted as things progress.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:15 PM   #1071
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What if you have 4 kids? Even if all their favs were available the 3 limit means someone misses out. And what about parents? Do they not get to choose any favs?
The way around this is not to have APs or to schedule in advance. I'm waiting to see what happens with both. Our AP renewal is in February but I will not renew at this point because while I do like to plan, I won't plan what we'll ride each day. We kind of know how we tour each park but stuff happens. Another thought is park hoppers. If FPs can only be used in one park each day, then what's the good of the hoppers? We have used them for dinner in different parks but we won't do that anymore.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:19 PM   #1072
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Test Track is my 9 year old son's favorite ride. In all our previous trips with the current system, we have been able to ride it 3-4 times in addition to riding everything else, and really never have had to wait more than 15 minutes in any line.

One ride FP and then deciding if we wanted to ride standby to go again is a huge net loss for us.

I see how it will benefit some people, just not our family.
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Time to share the ride wealth!

This really is one of the greatest potential downsides of this. And I think they're missing the boat on it. For very person who LOVES Test Track and wants to ride it more than once, there's another person who loves Soarin and would gladly give up some TT Fps to do so.

This just strikes me as arbitrarily limited in the name of "fairness". But that seems to be a trend these days.
I agree! As an AP holder who goes several times a year, I have favorite rides that I go on over and over, but I'm usually out of the park around lunch and then either go back to the room to rest and then to another park that evening or go somewhere off property. I never spend a whole day in any park. For example, DS is my least favorite park. Prior to Toy Story Mania there were alot of trips where I never even made it over there the entire trip. Even now I am always out of there by lunch. I will arrive early for rope drop to make sure I'm in the very front of the mob making that mad dash to TSM. As soon as I get over there, I grab a fast pass, then ride it twice stand by. I then run over and ride Star Tours (usually twice in a row), may ride RnR single rider, then go back over to use my FP at TSM. I am then usually headed out of the park before lunch (having ridden TSM at least three times, if not four), heading to another park where I again grab fast passes. Under this new system I would only be able to get a FP+ for one headliner, then would either have to waste two more FP+ on something I didn't really want to ride or since if you use one, then you must use two more in that same park, I'd probably just lose those two FP+. As an AP holder who would be staying offsite, I'd only be getting 20 per quarter anyway. Since sometimes I would have two trips that fell within the same quarter, I'd have some trips where I couldn't even use a fast pass all trip and other trips, where I'd have just enough fastpasses to last five days out of the ten or eleven days that I'd be there, but would have to waste some of those on minor rides that I really don't even want to ride anyway (or else lose them). If I'm willing to get up early every morning to make every rope drop and want to ride the same few rides over and over why shouldn't I be allowed to. Everyone else has the exact same opportunity to get up out of bed and do the same thing. It seems like this new system is rewarding those that choose to sleep in and really limiting AP holders who choose to stay offsite, but are willing to get up and into the parks early.

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Old 01-10-2013, 01:22 PM   #1073
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I don't think percentages matter, at this point. They will be easily adjusted as things progress.
Yup. Another fix.

Forget percentages.

My point is that if they intend FP+ to be all things to all people, there simply are not enough FP positions available daily for the E-tickets to make each category of guest "happy."




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Old 01-10-2013, 01:26 PM   #1074
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I agree! As an AP holder who goes several times a year, I have favorite rides that I go on over and over, but I'm usually out of the park around lunch and then either go back to the room to rest and then to another park that evening or go somewhere off property. I never spend a whole day in any park. For example, DS is my least favorite park. Prior to Toy Story Mania there were alot of trips where I never even made it over there the entire trip. Even now I am always out of there by lunch. I will arrive early for rope drop to make sure I'm in the very front of the mob making that mad dash to TSM. As soon as I get over there, I grab a fast pass, then ride it twice stand by. I then run over and ride Star Tours (usually twice in a row), may ride RnR single rider, then go back over to use my FP at TSM. I am then usually headed out of the park before lunch (having ridden TSM at least three times, if not four), heading to another park where I again grab fast passes. Under this new system I would only be able to get a FP+ for one headliner, then would either have to waste two more FP+ on something I didn't really want to ride or since if you use one, then you must use two more in that same park, I'd probably just lose those two FP+. As an AP holder who would be staying offsite, I'd only be getting 20 per quarter anyway. Since somtimes I would have two trips that fell within the same quarter, I'd have some trips where I couldn't even use a fast pass all trip and other trips, where I'd have just enough fastpasses to last five days out of the ten or eleven days that I'd be there, but would have to waste some of those on minor rides that I really don't even want to ride anyway (or else lose them). If I'm willing to get up early every morning to make every rope drop and want to ride the same few rides over and over why shouldn't I be allowed to. Everyone else has the exact same opportunity to get up out of bed and do the same thing.
Apparently it's just not seen as "fair" to the folks who "can't" get up that early.

You know, they finally broke up "the running of the bulls" with an early soft opening every day.

Am I the only one thinking this could make mornings worse at DHS again? Standby is really only a good option if you get there first thing. If you want to ride more than once, rope drop is going to be the only way to "easily" accomplish this now (it seems).
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Then you either try for same-day FPs for the fourth ride or you wait in the standby line and play with the interactive queue.

What do you do now if you can only get FPs for three out of four must-do rides?
Your making an assumption that under the current system we can't get FPs for all the must-do rides. Your assumption is incorrect.
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Your making an assumption that under the current system we can't get FPs for all the must-do rides. Your assumption is incorrect.
Did I miss something? I've been in and out so it's possible.

Do we have confirmation that people will indeed be able to get more FP's beyond their 3 pre-scheduled ones in FP+?
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Did I miss something? I've been in and out so it's possible.

Do we have confirmation that people will indeed be able to get more FP's beyond their 3 pre-scheduled ones in FP+?
I haven't see anything one way or the other.
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Did I miss something? I've been in and out so it's possible.

Do we have confirmation that people will indeed be able to get more FP's beyond their 3 pre-scheduled ones in FP+?
It's all assumptions right now. I don't think there is anyone out there that knows exactly how this will all work!

I hope to hear something by May, when my AP's need renewed
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I haven't see anything one way or the other.
Then it's sort of confusing to tell the other poster they were incorrect.

Thanks for the clarification.
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Yup. Another fix.

Forget percentages.

My point is that if they intend FP+ to be all things to all people, there simply are not enough FP positions available daily for the E-tickets to make each category of guest "happy."

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I'm sure that Disney knows that there is absolutely no way to make everyone happy. Just read these boards... yikes.
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