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Old 01-06-2013, 12:17 AM   #1
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The second highest leading cause of death in 25 - 34 year olds: Suicide

The new Relevant Magazine's cover story is about depression and suicide, especially among young adults between 25 and 34.

I was surprised to learn it was the second highest leading cause of death.

http://www.relevantmagazine.com/life...dal-tendencies
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:25 AM   #2
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I'm skimming a book called The Naked Roommate. It is a book on how to survive your first year as a college student. In it, there is a statistic quoted from The National Center for Injury Prevention and Control that says that suicide is the third leading cause of death for young people aged 15 - 24. Based on your statistic, things get even worse as they move into the next age group. Such sad statistics.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:51 AM   #3
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I'm skimming a book called The Naked Roommate. It is a book on how to survive your first year as a college student. In it, there is a statistic quoted from The National Center for Injury Prevention and Control that says that suicide is the third leading cause of death for young people aged 15 - 24. Based on your statistic, things get even worse as they move into the next age group. Such sad statistics.
The magazine article states it's the second leading cause for college students as well. Maybe it went up?
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Too much pressure; too little coping skills.

Kids thrive in middle school where the teachers are told over and over, "Never do anything that might make a student feel uncomfortable or embarrassed" and are allowed to retake quizzes until they get the grade they want (if your school doesn't, it's coming...). As a result, almost all kids earn all As and Bs.

Kids thrive in high school where teachers are put on an improvement plan if 80% of students do not earn 80% or higher. Zero tolerance in some schools means that comments that make the student feel bad are not tolerated even if it would have been considered "positive peer pressure" in the past.

Even our local community college has switched to the "multiple retakes are available if the grade earned wasn't the grade desired" plan.

Freshmen often struggle in college. Are we surprised? For many of them, it's the first time they've made any major decisions by themselves - and for some, mom/dad is still choosing the college or the major. Many are sharing a room, choosing when to get up, whether to go to class, and when to do homework for the first time in their lives. We have seen so many kids, especially excellent high school student athletes, that either didn't go to college or moved back home after a year.

When kids graduate, but can't get a job and have student loans to pay, it has be overwhelming. We, as a society, haven't taught them coping skills for life's little disappointments, so why are we surprised that they don't know how to handle the big issues?
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Too much pressure; too little coping skills.

Kids thrive in middle school where the teachers are told over and over, "Never do anything that might make a student feel uncomfortable or embarrassed" and are allowed to retake quizzes until they get the grade they want (if your school doesn't, it's coming...). As a result, almost all kids earn all As and Bs.

Kids thrive in high school where teachers are put on an improvement plan if 80% of students do not earn 80% or higher. Zero tolerance in some schools means that comments that make the student feel bad are not tolerated even if it would have been considered "positive peer pressure" in the past.

Even our local community college has switched to the "multiple retakes are available if the grade earned wasn't the grade desired" plan.

Freshmen often struggle in college. Are we surprised? For many of them, it's the first time they've made any major decisions by themselves - and for some, mom/dad is still choosing the college or the major. Many are sharing a room, choosing when to get up, whether to go to class, and when to do homework for the first time in their lives. We have seen so many kids, especially excellent high school student athletes, that either didn't go to college or moved back home after a year.

When kids graduate, but can't get a job and have student loans to pay, it has be overwhelming. We, as a society, haven't taught them coping skills for life's little disappointments, so why are we surprised that they don't know how to handle the big issues?
Wow! We don't get retakes like that...not even close! DD14 is a HS freshman and I don't remember a single retake in middle school. Some students in one of her honors classes this year were given the opportunity to retake a test to earn back partial credit, because the highest score in the class was in the 70's. Only the students who failed could retake and could only earn a maximum 70% score. The kids who scored the highest (including my DD) didn't get to retake and earn any partial credit.

I think she has so much stinkin' pressure as a freshman in HS these statistics do not surprise me at all. As a matter of fact, in our school district there is a long running history of HS suicide. I never fully understood the constant "suicide prevention" newsletters and meetings I was hearing about. One quarter into high school (and the death of a senior - no cause given) and it all makes sense.

Over this Holiday "break", she had to read 2 books with 1 book report and 1 Q & A by chapter assignment, and had lengthy study guides to fill out for every class. This is all in preperation for finals, however, a few teachers are going to try and squeeze in one more unit next week before finals the week after. Sigh. I am exhausted just watching her work so hard and helping her study...every.single.day. She has teacher lead study sessions almost every day next week after school and on Saturday.

Not to mention that it almost seems that she is expected to know what she wants to do with the rest of her life by now. When she is not stressing about getting her homework done, she is stressing about attending ACT / SAT prep classes and what her future college might require.

I've really been bothered by this a lot lately. I think she should be pursuing her interests and hobbies right now - figuring out what she enjoys - and looking for a way to incorporate those things into a career that she'll be happy with some day. Instead, everything is focused on the all mighty dollar. How to get a scholarship and what fields pay the most money. So sad.
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Accidents must be number one keeping suicide in the second position. It doesn't surprise me at all. When I was in college, we knew there would be a good job waiting for us after graduation. Today, kids are going to college spending time and money only to find there are no jobs. They're left hanging. Many of them do not know how to cope with things not going their way. It's a huge shock and one they can't handle.
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Too much pressure; too little coping skills.

Kids thrive in middle school where the teachers are told over and over, "Never do anything that might make a student feel uncomfortable or embarrassed" and are allowed to retake quizzes until they get the grade they want (if your school doesn't, it's coming...). As a result, almost all kids earn all As and Bs.

Kids thrive in high school where teachers are put on an improvement plan if 80% of students do not earn 80% or higher. Zero tolerance in some schools means that comments that make the student feel bad are not tolerated even if it would have been considered "positive peer pressure" in the past.

Even our local community college has switched to the "multiple retakes are available if the grade earned wasn't the grade desired" plan.

Freshmen often struggle in college. Are we surprised? For many of them, it's
the first time they've made any major decisions by themselves - and for some
mom/dad is still choosing the college or the major. Many are sharing a room, choosing when to get up, whether to go to class, and when to do homework for the first time in their lives. We have seen so many kids, especially excellent high school student athletes, that either didn't go to college or moved back home after a year.

When kids graduate, but can't get a job and have student loans to pay, it has be overwhelming. We, as a society, haven't taught them coping skills for life's little disappointments, so why are we surprised that they don't know how to handle the big issues?
Yes! That's how it is here. And we live in a "highly rated" district. I have told my kids for years that the schools are doing students no favors by allowing retakes. Why on earth was that even started and who was the person who thought this was a good idea. When I was in school if you got an F it was your F. Maybe next time study harder etc....but now the kids don't have to worry about being prepared because if they fail a test they can retake it for a higher grade.
Wait until they get into the real world. How many "retakes" do you get on your job before they let you go?
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College Fees are just ridiculous now... $3k-$4k in fees, $1k for books, parking per year is like $1k+ now too.
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I take the point about pressure, but I think this statistic has more to do with medical advances than anything else. This is generally a healthy group to begin with, and with cures for many things that, even thirty years ago, might have been fatal, there aren't many cause-of-death options left.
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Too much pressure; too little coping skills.
It isn't just that...

Depression and mental illness are REAL, just like any other chronic thing, diabetes, asthma, etc. Sometimes "coping skills" ARE NOT enough. What we need are good mental health programs in place so people CAN get help if they feel like they're going to hurt themselves or someone else.

I wish more people understood mental illness.
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It isn't just that...

Depression and mental illness are REAL, just like any other chronic thing, diabetes, asthma, etc. Sometimes "coping skills" ARE NOT enough. What we need are good mental health programs in place so people CAN get help if they feel like they're going to hurt themselves or someone else.

I wish more people understood mental illness.
I agree 100%! This is a lot more than getting to retake tests or not.

This quote is from the American Foundation of Suicide Prevention:
90% of people who die by suicide have a diagnosable and treatable psychiatric disorder at the time of their death.

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It isn't just that...

Depression and mental illness are REAL, just like any other chronic thing, diabetes, asthma, etc. Sometimes "coping skills" ARE NOT enough. What we need are good mental health programs in place so people CAN get help if they feel like they're going to hurt themselves or someone else.

I wish more people understood mental illness.
Not being able to cope and feeling they have no control over their lives can lead to anxiety and depression. In certain individuals it becomes overwhelming and suicide seems like the only viable option.

My son's friend committed suicide. He had been seeing a therapist, taking meds, etc. for at least a couple of years prior.

He was an extremely handsome and intelligent young man who was top dog on both his high school and college campuses. After graduation, he could not find a job that he felt suited his talents. It was terribly hard for him to accept that those in the outside world were more or less immune to his looks, his intelligence and his charming personality. It was heartbreaking.
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Not being able to cope and feeling they have no control over their lives can lead to anxiety and depression. In certain individuals it becomes overwhelming and suicide seems like the only viable option.

My son's friend committed suicide. He had been seeing a therapist, taking meds, etc. for at least a couple of years prior.

He was an extremely handsome and intelligent young man who was top dog on both his high school and college campuses. After graduation, he could not find a job that he felt suited his talents. It was terribly hard for him to accept that those in the outside world were more or less immune to his looks, his intelligence and his charming personality. It was heartbreaking.
I am very sorry to hear that.

The majority of cases though, are people who haven't received anything, perhaps out of shame or not telling someone what they're going through. My friend was a senior in high school when she committed suicide. When her parents found her, there were two bottles of Ever-clear around her and at the hospital they called it. They had NO IDEA. Straight A student, had quite the community, and here parents are well known in the area.

Looking back, they had thought of many different times when she wasn't herself but did nothing about it. I am still so very sad she's gone. She definitely left an imprint on my heart.

I guess the moral of this is people need to be more aware, and then get if need be. Of course there are those that are going to be missed, but mental illness needs more awareness, and to also break away from stereotypes that the media and others have portrayed.
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Kids thrive in middle school where the teachers are told over and over, "Never do anything that might make a student feel uncomfortable or embarrassed" and are allowed to retake quizzes until they get the grade they want (if your school doesn't, it's coming...). As a result, almost all kids earn all As and Bs.
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Yes! That's how it is here. And we live in a "highly rated" district. I have told my kids for years that the schools are doing students no favors by allowing retakes.
I don't even know where to begin with either of these opinions. I'm just dumbfounded that this is a reaction to the issue of suicide in the under 35 set.
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regarding the comments about middle school and the grades...it does seem our society of late is instant gratification and one of "everyone wins a prize"
but I dont think that should be the focus...
the focus should be on mental illness, recognizing it, coping strategies, and accepting it without stigma.
Suicide can be prevented and it is devastating and beyond sad...
one of our local HS students is no longer with us after first semester away at college...
It scares the heck out of me...the pressures, the mounting debts, the decrease in jobs afterward....its just one area that compounded with depression can have a dire consequence.....
sorry to hear of this latest statistic .
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