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Old 12-13-2012, 11:38 AM   #16
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Crud. The more I read about menopause and perimenopause, the more it sounds like me. I sweat at night badly (but so does DH so I shrugged it off), my memory is a running joke in the house, irregular cycle....come on! I'm 36!! And like I said, getting the doc today (she's actually just a PA) to take that seriously will be a feat. At worst, I have an appointment in Feb for my regular check up with my gyno.
I started about halfway through my 36th year. Sorry.
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:44 AM   #17
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That usually works for me....serious.
A serving of fruit and heart-healthy. Has to be better than pills, right?
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:52 AM   #18
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Ambien CR works for me. Lunesta did not and it has a horrible taste to it that seems like it never goes away. So you're wide awake with a horrible taste in your mouth.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:16 PM   #19
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I swear by Ambien! I tried Lunesta once and it didn't work and it leaves a horrible taste in your mouth (metallic and gross). Ambien puts me right to sleep and I don't have a "hangover" when I wake up. However, a couple of things to keep in mind with Ambien: it can make you do things in your sleep... you might go online and buy things and have no recollection of it... or in more serious cases people have been known to sleep-drive... make sure your SO knows about this side effect and can keep an eye out for any wacky behaviour. Also, if you take Ambien and don't go to sleep right away, you'll start hallucinating.

For the PP who mentioned Tylenol PM... all that is is acetaminophen and diphenhydramine (Benadryl). Just buy store brand Benadryl if you don't need the painkiller.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:24 PM   #20
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Most sleep problems can be mitigated by having good sleep hygiene:
  • Go to bed around the same time every night
  • Wake up around the same time every day
  • Don't drink anything within an hour or three before bedtime
  • Don't sleep in excessively on the weekends
  • Don't watch TV in bed
  • Do use your phone in bed
  • Heck, don't do anything but sleep or (*ahem*) in your bed
  • establish a bedtime routine, like "turn off the TV 30 minutes before bed, brush your teeth, read for 15 minutes, and then lie down, turn off the light, and go to sleep"

You can try all the old standbys, but honestly any time waves their "ALL NATURAL" flag in front of me I just roll my eyes. Homeopathy is a pathetic waste of energy and money sold by charlatans. And alcohol may make you drowsy, but it gives poor quality sleep, and also will make you get up to pee.

When you talk to the doctor, SPECIFICALLY mention your sleep trouble. Are you having trouble FALLING ASLEEP or STAYING ASLEEP? Do you fall asleep but then wake up multiple times? Do you have trouble falling asleep, but once you're asleep you're out cold? These are IMPORTANT and affect what advice/mediation he should prescribe (if necessary).

Don't just say "I'm having trouble sleeping," that's a sure way to have the problem ignored or minimized.
Your list is exactly how I roll at night. Same time to bed and same time to wake up. No food or drink after dinner. etc etc. I don't really buy into the homeopathy stuff.

My plan is to tell her my problem. I fall asleep fine, but always wake up repeatedly and can't fall back asleep for hours.

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A serving of fruit and heart-healthy. Has to be better than pills, right?
Can't drink wine. Especially red. So gross.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:25 PM   #21
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I swear by Ambien! I tried Lunesta once and it didn't work and it leaves a horrible taste in your mouth (metallic and gross). Ambien puts me right to sleep and I don't have a "hangover" when I wake up. However, a couple of things to keep in mind with Ambien: it can make you do things in your sleep... you might go online and buy things and have no recollection of it... or in more serious cases people have been known to sleep-drive... make sure your SO knows about this side effect and can keep an eye out for any wacky behaviour. Also, if you take Ambien and don't go to sleep right away, you'll start hallucinating.
I'll gladly put up with being tired on an every day basis before I'd put myself through those side effects.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:28 PM   #22
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I'll gladly put up with being tired on an every day basis before I'd put myself through those side effects.
hehe...sleep buying.

Seriously though, DH wakes whenever i get out of bed, so I'm not worried about any of that. He can also hide our keys and password protect the computers if it were that bad.
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Can't drink wine. Especially red. So gross.

Oh that's right....the fruit thing.
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I've been taking Ambien CR 12.5 mg (generic zolpidem) for years and simply cannot sleep without it. I realize that "for years" means it's a habit, but it's also a necessity. The only side effect I've experienced in 10+ years is occasionally sleep-eating, but it's only been for one night at a time and I usually get up and fix myself a PB&J sandwich (I assume I'm still asleep as I don't remember it the next morning). The only reason I know I do it is that I've left the PB jar on the counter and a paper plate with bread crumbs on my night table!

I've tried every single natural method anyone could think of, OTC sleep and/or pain medications and would have tried alcohol but I lack the enzyme required to process it and become violently ill.

There may be internal side effects that I don't know about, but I'm 65 years old and if it takes sleeping pills to allow me to have a reasonably restful night and enough energy to function when I am awake, so be it. I have blood work and other lab tests done every six months with no troubling results so far.

I hope you find a solution to your sleep problem; I KNOW how debilitating lack of sleep can be. And it doesn't help that family and friends often brush it off as a trivial condition, a "mind over matter" kind of thing. Best of luck, and do let us know how things go with your appointment.

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Old 12-13-2012, 12:38 PM   #25
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I swear by Ambien! I tried Lunesta once and it didn't work and it leaves a horrible taste in your mouth (metallic and gross). Ambien puts me right to sleep and I don't have a "hangover" when I wake up.
This is mystifying... Ambien and Lunesta do two different things. What kind of doctor would try you on both?

Ambien == puts you to sleep and fades out of your system within 5~ hours (which means you could take it during the night if you are having trouble falling asleep, and not worry about being a zombie in the morning)
Lunesta == puts you to sleep and keeps you asleep

Ambien is for people who have trouble falling asleep. Lunesta is for people who wake up during the night (while also helping you fall to sleep). There is also a version of Ambien (Ambien CR) that has the same effects as Lunesta and lasts through the night (and the next afternoon, if my experience was typical! LOL).

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Well, that would be not using as directed, you know? Some sleep aids even say right on the bottle "TAKE WHILE IN BED". Also, I've never had this happen.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:41 PM   #26
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Be aware!

"Z drugs" such as Zopiclone and Zolpidem are effective sleep aids but can be addictive and habituating. It is advised not to regularly take these drugs for more than a week.

As far as natural aids go, I can recommend two things. First, some dark chocolate. Chocolate is a little known antidepressant and will sooth and relax you. Second, a green leaf salad. Green leaves are soporific and can help you drift off into a natural sleep. Remember Peter Rabbit eating the cabbages and falling asleep in Mr McGreggors garden? That.
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A hear a banana works well.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:33 PM   #28
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So many naughty comments I could make ~ but I'll refrain.
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About 2 years ago, I went through a phase that lasted several months of not being able to fall asleep. Tylenol PM, etc. did absolutely nothing for me. Benadryl has the opposite effect on me (wires me instead of making me sleepy). Wine wasn't cutting it. I always go to sleep and wake up at the same time (I don't even really sleep in on the weekends). Don't watch TV or have electronics in bed. I didn't have anything particularly stressful going on at the time either.

I seriously could not take it anymore and went to a sleep specialist. He was going to recommend Ambien, but since I already dream so much and so vividly anyway, I was worried about exacerbating that since that can be a side effect, so we went with Klonopin. OMG, sweet relief. Took .5 mg every night for about 2 months and now I take it about once a week. I never had to increase my dosage -- that amount was perfect for me and still is when I do take it.

I think just knowing that it worked helped me psychologically -- I knew it was there if I needed it (vs. the dread of knowing I'd be up all night).

One trick that was not drug-related that kind of worked for me was reverse psychology. As you're laying there, instead of trying to fall asleep, tell yourself that you have to stay awake -- try to keep your eyes open. That worked okay for me, but Klonopin is what really got me through. Good luck, I know how miserable insomnia is!
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