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Old 12-12-2012, 01:10 PM   #31
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It is obvious that Disney inflates rack rates beyond a reasonable amount, so that they can "offer discounts" pretty much all of the time...however, it seems those discounts are getting to be less and less, meaning all that's left is the overinflated rates.
I couldn't agree more with this statement!
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:51 PM   #32
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I will not pay full price, either. I am already looking at moving what I'd hoped to be a Christmastime trip to August, since it's cheaper, and probably wouldn't even do that without some kind of discount. It is obvious that Disney inflates rack rates beyond a reasonable amount, so that they can "offer discounts" pretty much all of the time...however, it seems those discounts are getting to be less and less, meaning all that's left is the overinflated rates. I am wondering if there really are that many people willing to pay rack rates, or if they'll soon hit the tipping point where even devoted customers will be priced out and they will lose money. We'll see.
I would pay the extra just to avoid the heat and humidity of August. I too will be there Christmas 2012 at WL. Went the first week of August this year and the heat kicked our butts. Next trip will hopefully be the 2013 wine and food fest.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:00 PM   #33
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I can afford to go without a discount. I just won't. It's about perceived value for me. Rack rates at WDW are more expensive than I think they're worth, especially with how much they've jumped in the past couple of years. If there's no discount then I'll rent a house offsite. So, I'll still go to WDW but Disney won't get as much of my money (either hotel or food money since I'll eat dinners at the house). Heck, even with a discount if the price isn't what I think it's worth then other companies will get more of my money.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:17 PM   #34
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I can't stomach the high current rack rate prices plus minimal discounts that came out for the first quarter of 2013. I was shocked when I priced out this year's trip. I think the price they are currently asking for a value room seems high at rack or minimal discount. Transportation perks are not a factor in my decision as we rent a car for cheap anyway. Neither is the extended hours, as we tend to hit the non-EMH parks anyway.

With the price shock, we actually started to explore other options and I have to say we are pretty excited about our upcoming trip which includes $0 being spent at disney. For the first time in about 6 years (about 7 Orlando trips), we are actually staying off site. Instead of onsite, we are opting to stay in a 2 bedroom/2 bath unit at Bonnet Creek for less than $100 a night, going to discovery cove and sea world, and seeing several spring training baseball games. My boys are going to be thrilled!

Our only disney thing will be Chef Mickey, but that is free to us with disney chase rewards $.

If free dining had come out, might be a different story. Disney probably would have gotten the majority of our $. We have been wanting to do Discovery Cove, the high price of Disney this year made us reevaluate how we spend our vacation $ and we opted for Discovery Cove. I think it will have a ripple effect for us though. After this trip, I have a feeling I will never convince my husband to stay onsite again. 2 bed/2 bath timeshare right next to the parks with nicer amenities for less than the price of a value room......Exploring other options this year has really opened our eyes and I am not sure we will ever do another exclusive Disney trip or stay onsite. Disney will probably only be a small portion of our trip at the most.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:38 PM   #35
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In the distant past we had stayed onsite at value resorts, and once at Port Orleans. For the past 7 years or so we have stayed offsite at Bahama Bay, with 1 time at Reunion. We enjoyed the space of large condos with kitchens, and the savings.

This time S/P/D brought the total cost of onsite (no car rental, food cost covered by the dining plan) to about the same as offsite. We will see how the Disney advantages balance against the offsite advantages. Without the S/P/D discount the prices at Disney would keep us offsite.

I'm sure that Disney has done the math too... which is why they have EMH, free ME, and free dining or S/P/D. They want to keep the visitors onsite to keep the dollars onsite. It probably destroys offsite businesses though.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:20 PM   #36
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We could but we won't as it isn't financially practical for us to spend that kind of money for the sake of saying we stayed onsite. We are a family of six with our oldest two children now at adult prices and we are from Pennsylvania so we fly rather than drive to Orlando (DH refuses to drive that far), so Disney World is a rather pricey trip for us overall. We stayed onsite for our August 2011 trip; but that was during "value" season, with the kids stay/play free promotion, plus all our kids were ages 9 and under with our youngest being free (2 years old) at the time. We are in the midst of planning a May 2013 trip and we are still trying to wrap our minds around what it would cost to stay onsite during "regular" season without a discount; and we just can't justify the price tag no matter how much we like the all inclusive aspect of staying onsite. There are so many great deals for really nice offsite condos and villas and I am sure we would still have just as much of a magical vacation because we would still go to the same Disney parks and have the same planned ADRs and experiences (like the Pirates League and Wishes Dessert Party) that we would have if we were staying onsite. So at this point we have a two bedroom deluxe condo booked over at Wyndham Bonnet Creek and we are getting more and more excited about staying there, especially considering it is pretty much (but unofficially) on Disney property.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:26 PM   #37
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I will not book a resort unless I have a discount.
I am not one of those that will book and then wait for a discount. The discount has to already be offered for me to book. This usually means we don't make plans more than six months out.
This is me too. It would be more painful to have to reduce or cancel a trip because I couldn't afford it than to never be able to book it at all.

But it's not just Disney. Typically, I do WDW in January, a beach vacation late February or early March (depending on Easter timing) and a WDW vacation again in May. However, for 2013, the beach accommodation decided to charge peak rates from the last week of January through mid April instead. So I looked at Disney's rack rate for both time periods (late February and May) and found their rates were the same (it looks like Disney's rates go up to peak when the current discounts expire around March 7th). So it made more sense economically to go back to Disney the end of February with the current discount (knowing that a discount for Disney in May is likely to be similar, especially if I booked the current bounceback) and book the beach trip when the rates are back down to the lower level in May. It actually saved $500 on the beach trip to switch them, without adding to the cost of the Disney trip. So I not only have to compare Disney rates to Disney rates, but compare the "other" vacations too, to make sure all the trips will be at the best rate possible. Sometimes it just makes my head spin!

Off property would mean doing day trips from home, and that just isn't a vacation to me.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:35 PM   #38
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I am a cheapskate, I will stay off property unless I see a good deal.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:48 PM   #39
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I won't. Their prices have gotten to high for what they offer. Especially the meal plan, which doesn't offer or cover nearly as much as it used to and costs much more. So now if I don't stay onsite I don't care. We went to seaworld last yr and loved it and are also thinking of taking in universal next trip. No discount and we'll be off-site in April and do sea world and universal. We have an AP but it's the last yr for us for that. Offsite has many options and cost less. Still love Disney, but need to get the most bang for my buck.
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I can't stomach the high current rack rate prices plus minimal discounts that came out for the first quarter of 2013. I was shocked when I priced out this year's trip. I think the price they are currently asking for a value room seems high at rack or minimal discount. Transportation perks are not a factor in my decision as we rent a car for cheap anyway. Neither is the extended hours, as we tend to hit the non-EMH parks anyway.

With the price shock, we actually started to explore other options and I have to say we are pretty excited about our upcoming trip which includes $0 being spent at disney. For the first time in about 6 years (about 7 Orlando trips), we are actually staying off site. Instead of onsite, we are opting to stay in a 2 bedroom/2 bath unit at Bonnet Creek for less than $100 a night, going to discovery cove and sea world, and seeing several spring training baseball games. My boys are going to be thrilled!

Our only disney thing will be Chef Mickey, but that is free to us with disney chase rewards $.

If free dining had come out, might be a different story. Disney probably would have gotten the majority of our $. We have been wanting to do Discovery Cove, the high price of Disney this year made us reevaluate how we spend our vacation $ and we opted for Discovery Cove. I think it will have a ripple effect for us though. After this trip, I have a feeling I will never convince my husband to stay onsite again. 2 bed/2 bath timeshare right next to the parks with nicer amenities for less than the price of a value room......Exploring other options this year has really opened our eyes and I am not sure we will ever do another exclusive Disney trip or stay onsite. Disney will probably only be a small portion of our trip at the most.
Last April we went offsite again for the first time since having kids. Sea World was AWESOME!!! It has changed so much and was the highlight of our trip. We travel from MA and the cost for a DIsney vacation is just to much for a family of 4 with airfare. We havent booked w/disney for this april but we have our airline tix's so we may do universal and Sae World again. SeaWorld had a great refillable drink cup and meal prices seemed better also.
ENjoy! We have an AP but with the increase in prices and the carying cost for meal plans and Peak periods and all that crap, I'm pretty much done with Disney for a bit Still like it, just willing to try other things too.
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I can't stomach the high current rack rate prices plus minimal discounts that came out for the first quarter of 2013. I was shocked when I priced out this year's trip. I think the price they are currently asking for a value room seems high at rack or minimal discount. Transportation perks are not a factor in my decision as we rent a car for cheap anyway. Neither is the extended hours, as we tend to hit the non-EMH parks anyway.

With the price shock, we actually started to explore other options and I have to say we are pretty excited about our upcoming trip which includes $0 being spent at disney. For the first time in about 6 years (about 7 Orlando trips), we are actually staying off site. Instead of onsite, we are opting to stay in a 2 bedroom/2 bath unit at Bonnet Creek for less than $100 a night, going to discovery cove and sea world, and seeing several spring training baseball games. My boys are going to be thrilled!

Our only disney thing will be Chef Mickey, but that is free to us with disney chase rewards $.

If free dining had come out, might be a different story. Disney probably would have gotten the majority of our $. We have been wanting to do Discovery Cove, the high price of Disney this year made us reevaluate how we spend our vacation $ and we opted for Discovery Cove. I think it will have a ripple effect for us though. After this trip, I have a feeling I will never convince my husband to stay onsite again. 2 bed/2 bath timeshare right next to the parks with nicer amenities for less than the price of a value room......Exploring other options this year has really opened our eyes and I am not sure we will ever do another exclusive Disney trip or stay onsite. Disney will probably only be a small portion of our trip at the most.
I agree with what you have said and I think for our family our first WDW trip last year was our last "exclusively Disney" vacation because the increase in the cost of park tickets and steady increase in the resort rates (with minimal if any discounts) just isn't practical for us. We love Disney and the all inclusive aspect of staying onsite was nice (particularly Magical Express); but I think Disney knows that once more people start opting for offsite options, those guests' eyes will be opened to the other great parks and lodging options in Orlando. It surprised me how they shortened the window for the free dining offer this fall and how for the first time in years free dining wasn't offered for Jan or Feb, but instead this S/P/D promo is out which does provide a nice savings but not nearly as much as free dining to keep our family onsite with the higher rates we would pay by going during "regular" season for our upcoming trip. We are booked at Bonnet Creek for our May trip and plan on spending time doing stuff outside of Disney (Sea World and maybe a beach day), which we most likely wouldn't do if we were staying onsite.
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I agree...Disney has overpriced themselves and we will be joining those staying offsite...transportation is not enough of an incentive to pay $1000 more just to stay at Disney...

we always stayed offsite in the past until I found the Dis boards and recieved a code for $49 a night at All Stars Movies...we couldn't believe we could actually stay at Disney World, we were hooked and started flying and doing just Disney, who needed to go anywhere else...then came free dining and we enjoyed places and food we would never have been able to do without this discount...
.well it looks like all that is gone and they aren't trying to entice us to stay with them....so Disney you win....we will not be staying with you anymore, until you start giving us a reason to spend our hard earned money with you...

thing is once they realize people aren't staying with them they will raise the parking rate to $25 a day and the food and tickets prices will soar to make up for
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I have never found onsite transportation a reasonable means of transportation. We like to dine at resorts and often go from one location to the next w/out a stop at the resort. This kind of travel will take up an entire day. It took me almost 3 hrs to get from A of A last trip (before we picked up our car) to Wide World of Sports and a walk to POP. Yes its a short walk, but ther are no sidewlaks and I had a child is a stroller as wheelchair, certianly not safe! There were no busses from AoA, (however, the cast member I first spoke to said there was???) ANyway, On the way back there was a woman calling on the bus who it had also taken hours and was about to miss an ADR due and was not going to pay the fee for missing it, I wonder how that all worked out???? So right now, I would stay onsite because????? Oh yea, that's why I'm looking into other options : lol
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I have never found onsite transportation a reasonable means of transportation. We like to dine at resorts and often go from one location to the next w/out a stop at the resort. This kind of travel will take up an entire day. It took me almost 3 hrs to get from A of A last trip (before we picked up our car) to Wide World of Sports and a walk to POP. Yes its a short walk, but ther are no sidewlaks and I had a child is a stroller as wheelchair, certianly not safe! There were no busses from AoA, (however, the cast member I first spoke to said there was???) ANyway, On the way back there was a woman calling on the bus who it had also taken hours and was about to miss an ADR due and was not going to pay the fee for missing it, I wonder how that all worked out???? So right now, I would stay onsite because????? Oh yea, that's why I'm looking into other options : lol
See this i dont understand. We stayed at Coronado last Feb for 8 days. The on site transport was phenominal !!! Never waited more than 15 mins for a bus.... busses were awesomely quick, clean, drivers were nice. I couldnt have imagined a better experience. The convenience of being on site and the sort of dual vacation feeling of being in a resort while at the resort and being at disney in just a quick bus ride was perfect. We are hooked, going back in May
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See this i dont understand. We stayed at Coronado last Feb for 8 days. The on site transport was phenominal !!! Never waited more than 15 mins for a bus.... busses were awesomely quick, clean, drivers were nice. I couldnt have imagined a better experience. The convenience of being on site and the sort of dual vacation feeling of being in a resort while at the resort and being at disney in just a quick bus ride was perfect. We are hooked, going back in May
Did you try to go from say a waterpark to downtown disney, you cant. Also not all resorts have transportation to WWofS we were running in 3 races and our hotel didnt offer transportation to it. Or from one resort say for a meal, to another for meeting up with friends, you also cant do that. If you are doing standard resort to park travel it may work better. But we do a lot of the "other" things, mini golf, disney quest, waterparks and like to travel from one to the other without the added time of going back to the resort.

I think it is done to keep people from parking in the "free locations" and taking disney transportation to the parks, but it very timely to those staying there and just trying to get around.
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