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Old 12-08-2012, 01:24 AM   #16
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Seems like this is what we will wind up doing, short cruise with a land vaca. I would have preferred to sail the Fantasy again during kids summer vacation but the rates are outrageous! The per diems on the longer cruise are actually HIGHER than on the short cruises during the same week (Dream vs Fantasy) for the categories we are interested in. I never saw that before with exception of specialty cruises.

If my deposit was refundable, I certainly would walk away.
Isn't your deposit refundable?
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:43 AM   #17
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Isn't your deposit refundable?
I believe that poster in particular usually sails concierge, which requires a non-refundable deposit.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:06 PM   #18
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Smile Sailing out of San Juan, etc.

Hi, can anyone get information on the cruise ship schedule in San Juan?

Seems we know about DCL's contract in Port Canaveral, but what about San Juan and the other southern Caribbean islands?

Shouldn't we be able to find out where DCL is sailing/contracted?

We heard ahead of time that a Disney ship was considering Jamaica and that came true.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:19 PM   #19
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Yes - I'm hoping for a ship in Tampa! Maybe hitting up Key West. One can dream.
With transportation to and from Tampa to WDW.............WDW / DLC......are you lisening............filling those WDW resort rooms up before and after each Tampa cruise........in-fact cut out the MCO to port Canaveral transfers and do it for the PC cruises also............think of all that resort $$$ you would be making.............I can see that new WDW " CRUISE TRANFER" resort hotel being built right now.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:24 PM   #20
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Hmmm, maybe Southern Caribbean out of San Juan? I might jump on that especially since SW is going to start flying to San Juan.

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I would go for this too like in the fall or winter time

Maybe they could do a leave from PC and end in San Juan and then begin in San Juan and end in PC since each would stop at CC it could work
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:29 PM   #21
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I would go for this too like in the fall or winter time

Maybe they could do a leave from PC and end in San Juan and then begin in San Juan and end in PC since each would stop at CC it could work
Don't think they can do this, as Puerto Rico is a US territory and a cruise with only a CC stop can't start and end in different US ports.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:09 PM   #22
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. . . It makes a lot more sense for them to get in the necessary dockings and even some extras.

Who knows what their thinking is though?
Perhaps if DCL "banks" the necessary dockings, they can offer something special, like Southern Caribbean cruises.

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Old 12-10-2012, 09:12 PM   #23
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I believe that poster in particular usually sails concierge, which requires a non-refundable deposit.
^^^ what she said.

I also stand corrected. Actually it was DCL who needed to correct its pricing on the late august 2014 cruise(s).

I was able to book the eastern 8/23/14 cruise for a relatively reasonable price!!
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Don't think they can do this, as Puerto Rico is a US territory and a cruise with only a CC stop can't start and end in different US ports.
If they go to St Marteen would that work or is it the rule they can't start and stop in different US ports period.

I thought it was they had to stop in one foreign port, these laws are too complicated
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:35 PM   #25
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If they go to St Marteen would that work or is it the rule they can't start and stop in different US ports period.

I thought it was they had to stop in one foreign port, these laws are too complicated
The rule is "a foreign-flagged ship cannot transport a passenger from one US port to a different US port without a stop in a distant foreign port. A distant foreign port is defined as any port not in the Caribbean, or North America".

The law for closed loop cruises (beginning and ending in the same US port) is that they must stop at any foreign port (near or distant).

It's called the Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA).

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Old 12-10-2012, 09:51 PM   #26
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Perhaps if DCL "banks" the necessary dockings, they can offer something special, like Southern Caribbean cruises.

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That's exactly what I was hoping, Woody. Several years ago they had just a few 10 and 11 night Caribbean cruises.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:52 PM   #27
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I was aware that the Dream and Fantasy couldn't relocate based on the contract, but before this new contract, DCL ran low on the required number of dockings at Port Canaveral. They managed to re-negotiate the contract and avoid a huge penalty.

I believe that the required numbers were missed because hurricanes closed PC (the ships docked in Galveston and Fort Lauderdale); and DCL had planned it down to the wire. It makes a lot more sense for them to get in the necessary dockings and even some extras.

Who knows what their thinking is though?

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Your logic makes sense to me.
When a line negotiates the number of port visits, they look at how many days a week, and how many ships, then count the number. That number is the 1 in the contract. For example, the DCL ships call on PC 3x a week, (Dream 2x Sun and Thurs, and the Fantasy 1x on Saturdays) x 52 weeks is 156 times per year. Subtract the number of sailings a ship would miss due to drydock and your back to 152 (the Dream would miss at least 4) assuming that the papers got the accurate number and not a close enough. I dont think that weather conditions will affect that part of the contract as its an act of God. Even if the true number is 150, it pretty much guaruntees that the DCL ships wont stray far from PC. It allows a little bit of flexibility in the number of days that the ships can sail, but thats about it. (think the 10 day trips the Magic did, or the 5s the Dream did for a little while.) Theses numbers are decided long before a line decides on where to send its ships and for how long. DCL lately is putting out itins about 18-20 months in advance. The contract is until 2023.

As far as the fine, that came from when DCL sent the Magic to California and Europe in 05 and 07. When she left, the total number of port calls dropped by about 50.(roughly 25 per year in the years that she was gone). The fine(the amount of money the port was owed for the missed port calls fees) was negotiated out at the last minute by DCL and the Port in order for DCL to get the Port to pay the lions share of the port upgrades for the Dream class.Also in the contract is a clause that if DCL does it again, the Port can open DCLs terminal to other lines.

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Perhaps if DCL "banks" the necessary dockings, they can offer something special, like Southern Caribbean cruises.

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There was a report on the radio today as well as in the paper on why all 4 ships are in Fl for at least part of 2014. According to DCL, the Magic is back due to the soft economy in Europe. The Wonder most likely due to the continued unrest in Mexicos Pacific coast. I wouldnt be surprised if the Wonder goes back to Cali to go to Alaska again. As far as a 3rd PC ship, it makes perfect sense. For Disney the most popular cruises are the 3/4 sea/land combos. Its a win win for them. With the Wonder pretty much filling, and now the Dream, it makes sense for DCL to try out a 3rd ship and see what happens. I wouldnt be a bit surprised if the 3rd ship becomes semi permanent offering either additional 3/4s to CC,Nassau or doing something slightly different like 5s or 6s.
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The rule is "a foreign-flagged ship cannot transport a passenger from one US port to a different US port without a stop in a distant foreign port. A distant foreign port is defined as any port not in the Caribbean, or North America".

The law for closed loop cruises (beginning and ending in the same US port) is that they must stop at any foreign port (near or distant).

It's called the Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA).

Darn it

Oh well I knew you could clear it up for me.

I still would like to see some southern Caribbean cruises out of san Juan
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:38 PM   #29
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The 3/4 night cruises out of FL are basically how a cruise line can make tons of money fast. The longer the cruise, the more things the cruise line has to offer out of their own pocket and can't charge much extra for these... I think DCL is definitely trying to persuade more people to visit WDW and trying to restock the bank account. These Fl cruises are fast cash in the cruise industry.

I also added up the cruises and DCL has 141 planned departures form PC planned for 2014 so far. They only need 9 more to satisfy the contract. They could be planning on longer cruises for the Dream and Fantasy, but August-December seems and odd time to plan them. Though they in theory could send the magic to Asia, but they have her tied up in PC until may and by then it's almost too late to head over there soo... we shall see.

I also checked the Magic and she is done in PC on May 19th, this could give enough time to sail anywhere and be ready for cruises in June, she could in theory be almost anywhere by the second week of June so... I don't know keep those thinking caps on!
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:12 PM   #30
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I'd really love to see a few southern sailings but I know people have been asking for those for a while...

We have a late August '14 Fantasy reservation and will sail that if nothing else interesting comes along.
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