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Old 12-05-2012, 11:06 AM   #46
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Does anyone else think this is pointless? A school ID is pretty easy to fake. If they accept IDs that could be fake what's the point of asking for ID? Or the poster who said they were going to make their own IDs for their kids?
Yeah, I certainly don't consider my kids school ID a valid form of identification. A cute card (that I could make at home on my computer), sure. Valid ID, ha!

FWIW, we are frequent travelers and my kids (12 and 14) have not ONCE been asked for ID for domestic travel. They are asked their name(s) and occasionally their DOB. They've also never been asked for ID at Disneyland.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:59 AM   #47
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Yeah, I certainly don't consider my kids school ID a valid form of identification. A cute card (that I could make at home on my computer), sure. Valid ID, ha!

FWIW, we are frequent travelers and my kids (12 and 14) have not ONCE been asked for ID for domestic travel. They are asked their name(s) and occasionally their DOB. They've also never been asked for ID at Disneyland.
An ID of some sorts is required to take the SAT. They prefer a government or school ID although they do have a special ID that can be obtained from the College Board through a HS counselor's office.

http://sat.collegeboard.org/register/id-requirements

They do have a legitimate reason for this. Test taking fraud is a serious issue. Some parents are desperate enough for a good score that they will pay young looking professional test takers to take tests on behalf of their children.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:09 PM   #48
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Yup. I'm an SAT proctor . Most school issued IDs are perfectly suitable for this purpose. My kids middle school ID's, which don't even bear their legal names and look like something that came from a Chuck E Cheese vending machine, yeah, not valid ID, lol. Nevertheless, my frequently flying teens have never been asked to produce an ID while flying domestically, or entering Disneyland. I wasn't suggested that they would never, in all of their teen years, be ID'd, lol. Rather, I was mentioning that we have pretty extensive domestic flying and Disneyland entering experience and have not experienced a need for ID in either instance.

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Old 12-05-2012, 01:42 PM   #49
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Yup. I'm an SAT proctor . Most school issued IDs are perfectly suitable for this purpose. My kids middle school ID's, which don't even bear their legal names and look like something that came from a Chuck E Cheese vending machine, yeah, not valid ID, lol. Nevertheless, my frequently flying teens have never been asked to produce an ID while flying domestically, or entering Disneyland. I wasn't suggested that they would never, in all of their teen years, be ID'd, lol. Rather, I was mentioning that we have pretty extensive domestic flying and Disneyland entering experience and have not experienced a need for ID in either instance.
I'm actually surprised that the College Board didn't mention green cards, since in my experience there are a lot of immigrant kids taking and and doing well on the SAT. I'm pretty sure that would be acceptable even though it wasn't specifically mentioned.

You should have seen my various school IDs. I only used my school IDs to take the SAT, although I did have other government issued ID that I won't elaborate on. My HS just took a photo, typed my name to a card, and sandwiched that between two clear sheets of plastic. I though it would have been pretty easy to fake. My college IDs are equally unimpressive. My undergraduate ID was made with my name hand-printed (+ signature) onto a clear sheet of plastic. That was inserted into a special camera, which took my picture along with the information on the plastic sheet photographed for a composite image. The whole thing was laminated. Got me through four years. My grad school college ID was equally unimpressive. That one even used my SSN as my school ID. I don't think they do that any more. I've seen the more recent versions, and they look more like modern credit cards.

Heck - I remember when a real California driver license was a cheap looking piece of junk. They took a piece of paper printed with all the info and signed by the licensed driver - and inserted that into a special camera. The photo of the driver was taken along with the information on the paper. The film was sent to Sacramento for processing, where the end result was printed on a piece of photo paper. I remember it said "THIS PAPER MANUFACTURED BY KODAK" on the back. I also had to show up every single time I wanted to renew just to take the photo. Since they started using digital photos, I've had the same picture on my license for years.
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:32 PM   #50
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Yeah, I certainly don't consider my kids school ID a valid form of identification. A cute card (that I could make at home on my computer), sure. Valid ID, ha!

FWIW, we are frequent travelers and my kids (12 and 14) have not ONCE been asked for ID for domestic travel. They are asked their name(s) and occasionally their DOB. They've also never been asked for ID at Disneyland.
Maybe it depends on the school. My sons' high school ID is a piece of cardboard with his picture, name, name of the school and grade printed on it and laminated. If I wanted to fake an ID like that it would be pretty easy. If they are going to stop every person and ask for ID it makes more sense for it to be an ID that is hard to fake such as a passport or drivers license. But then you have a lot of people who's kids don't have a passport. They can be expensive too. I think they should just drop the whole thing.
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:52 PM   #51
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Maybe it depends on the school. My sons' high school ID is a piece of cardboard with his picture, name, name of the school and grade printed on it and laminated. If I wanted to fake an ID like that it would be pretty easy. If they are going to stop every person and ask for ID it makes more sense for it to be an ID that is hard to fake such as a passport or drivers license. But then you have a lot of people who's kids don't have a passport. They can be expensive too. I think they should just drop the whole thing.
Like I've said, I don't suspect that the rental brokers are going to start faking IDs. Even if it's cheap IDs that are easy to fake, it's an expense they aren't going to want to bear. They really don't want to get to the point where they're actually breaking the law rather than operating in a gray area where they're simply violating Disney's ticket policies. A customer doing this would also be breaking the law. They could also get enhancements by bringing in the police, where presenting a fake ID to a peace officer carries additional penalties. At that point I would think many would cave in rather than try to fool a cop.

There are specific laws that deal with birth certificates and DMV IDs and driver licenses. However, California also has specific laws that impersonating someone (and producing an ID to match the name on a ticket would probably suffice) carries a fine of up to $10,000 and one year in jail.

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529. (a) Every person who falsely personates another in either his
or her private or official capacity, and in that assumed character
does any of the following, is punishable pursuant to subdivision (b):
(1) Becomes bail or surety for any party in any proceeding
whatever, before any court or officer authorized to take that bail or
surety.
(2) Verifies, publishes, acknowledges, or proves, in the name of
another person, any written instrument, with intent that the same may
be recorded, delivered, or used as true.
(3) Does any other act whereby, if done by the person falsely
personated, he might, in any event, become liable to any suit or
prosecution, or to pay any sum of money, or to incur any charge,
forfeiture, or penalty, or whereby any benefit might accrue to the
party personating, or to any other person.
(b) By a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by
imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or imprisonment
pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170, or by both that fine
and imprisonment.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:17 PM   #52
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I just want to clarify that we weren't suggesting people would make fake state IDs. Someone mentioned homemade IDs for kids and I said that would be too easy to fake.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:15 PM   #53
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I just want to clarify that we weren't suggesting people would make fake state IDs. Someone mentioned homemade IDs for kids and I said that would be too easy to fake.
Your comment seemed to be about the brokers making some sort of ID in the name of the first person to use a ticket. It may not actually rise to the level of making a fake government ID, but California law is pretty clear that it would considered impersonation ("falsely personates") to use a "written instrument" that purports to be someone else. I think technically it could even be a fictional person who doesn't exist (i.e. the brokers picking a random name) as long as there is some intent to defraud. Even if it's some sort of homemade ID, trying to use one with a false name could theoretically mean prosecution and/or jail time for both the maker and the user. There are specific laws that deal with faking California DMV documents such as driver licenses or California IDs.

The brokers were relying on the tickets being left blank or being able to rewrite a name to match someone's ID. If that's not possible, then faking IDs (even crude homemade-looking ones) with the name on the ticket might be the only way around it. I don't think they want to go there. Even if it's easy to fake, they've been working on the knowledge that they couldn't be prosecuted for their actions even if Disney didn't like it and could confiscate tickets if they were rented. If they suggest to someone or make a fake ID, then they're opening themselves up to possible jail time.
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Just wanted to say - we just finished up use of a 4 day hopper and one day w/the hopper-turned-pass and the kids were never ID'd. When we made the switch to passes the ticket guy did go on and on about how the kids might need ID, but no one at the turnstile asked. I even made a point of always sending the kids in before me (so there was no ID) to see if they would ask. We hopped a bunch, too. I think, at least for now, ID-less kids are perfectly acceptable.
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Old 12-08-2012, 02:21 PM   #55
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Just wanted to say - we just finished up use of a 4 day hopper and one day w/the hopper-turned-pass and the kids were never ID'd. When we made the switch to passes the ticket guy did go on and on about how the kids might need ID, but no one at the turnstile asked. I even made a point of always sending the kids in before me (so there was no ID) to see if they would ask. We hopped a bunch, too. I think, at least for now, ID-less kids are perfectly acceptable.
I don't know if anyone is really suggesting that they're routinely going to be asking minors for ID at the gates. Still - it's not that bad an idea since there are some legitimate reasons for minors to have government issued ID beyond simply passports for traveling internationally. In addition to that, some children may be older looking than their actual ages, such that having some sort of "proof of age" could be useful if a CM at the turnstile is having a bad day.

This and another thread has morphed into basic discussions on ID and why a child would need one. My kid has had ID since the age of 1. I found it really useful, especially since we can use this in place of a birth certificate when we need to establish proof of age.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:36 PM   #56
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My 11yr old n I just returned Wed, we had 3-day park hoppers (reg military disc tix). I had to write our names on our tix, with their pen, cm told me to write 'minor' above my sons name. They asked for My id at every entry.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:06 PM   #57
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I'm just wondering if this 'ID check' and writing the name on the pass with the 'special pen' could be done at hotel check-in if you stay onsite? Also, could a DL hotel room key be used as ID? I *think* they have names on them... or is that just at WDW? If IDs were checked when you checked in to the hotel, and then 'named' hotel room keys issued (and names written on park passes) then that would save a lot of time at the gate. And you need to have your hotel room keys with you anyways, particularly if you're taking advantage of early entry.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:26 PM   #58
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Also, could a DL hotel room key be used as ID? I *think* they have names on them... or is that just at WDW? .
That's a WDW thing. The room keys are not connected to tickets at DL.
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That's a WDW thing. The room keys are not connected to tickets at DL.
I knew they weren't connected to tickets, but somehow I thought they had names on them so that you could show them for early entry at the parks... ?
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