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Old 11-30-2012, 05:06 AM   #121
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:27 AM   #122
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And to the British person who commented about not knowing about gratuities in America....if I can know about which side of the road to drive on before traveling to your country, then you should be a bit more understanding about some of our foibles.
I'm sorry, but I really disagree with this.

I too travel widely, and my bookcase is full of tour guides... one of my favourite things about travelling is doing research beforehand. And, very few books I've read before coming to the USA, allude to tipping customs. At all. It's just not talked about.

I learnt about tipping and servers wages through the DIS a year or two ago - not through the seven or so travel guides I have on various US cities.

Comparing tipping to knowing which side of the road to safely drive on is a tad patronising. Perhaps you should be more understanding that not everyone will know every little custom before they begin their trip.

It's not always down to rudeness, sometimes, the information simply isn't there, you don't read the right books - or, you're one of those people who simply doesn't plan a holiday. I only know one person (and she's a Disney fan) who plans holidays the way I do... buying and reading travel guides, looking up restaurants etc.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:10 AM   #123
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Back about 10 years ago, I was waiting, patiently, in a line for registration for some library program that my then 9 y/o dd wanted to participate in. I had been in line for about 30 mins (these programs fill up really quickly), when another parent came up to me and started talking to me. She was the mother of an aquaintance of my dd's...not close friends. Well, you know what she said to me??? 'Stay here for a minute..I"m getting us further up in the line. We never wait like this back in NY/LI!!!' This woman is the type of, how shall I put this, ummm, non-gentile woman that gives all of her ethnic background a black eye!!! Pushy, entitled, self-important. So yeah, we have rude folks here in the USA as well.
Do you realize how anti-Semitic this comment is? Hopefully you aren't teaching your daughter to generalize an entire group of people based off a single person's actions. That is worse than stealing a picture during a parade IMO.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:42 AM   #124
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Our first visit to WDW we watched the parades and never again. I had a group yelling at me and my daughter because we weren't sitting but everyone but them were standing. Its way to stressful and we just watch from a distance or enjoy the shorter ride lines =]
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:58 AM   #125
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I'm sorry, but I really disagree with this.

I too travel widely, and my bookcase is full of tour guides... one of my favourite things about travelling is doing research beforehand. And, very few books I've read before coming to the USA, allude to tipping customs. At all. It's just not talked about.

I learnt about tipping and servers wages through the DIS a year or two ago - not through the seven or so travel guides I have on various US cities.

Comparing tipping to knowing which side of the road to safely drive on is a tad patronising. Perhaps you should be more understanding that not everyone will know every little custom before they begin their trip.

It's not always down to rudeness, sometimes, the information simply isn't there, you don't read the right books - or, you're one of those people who simply doesn't plan a holiday. I only know one person (and she's a Disney fan) who plans holidays the way I do... buying and reading travel guides, looking up restaurants etc.
If American guidebooks tell me about 'Service Compris', then I have a difficult time believing guidebooks on America do not describe our custom.

And what's funny about that, the bottom of your check at Disney offers the information about gratuities. Were you not curious?

As to the my being patronizing to the British person about their custom, again, my guidebooks have a chapter on each driving while abroad and dining out.
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If American guidebooks tell me about 'Service Compris', then I have a difficult time believing guidebooks on America do not describe our custom.

And what's funny about that, the bottom of your check at Disney offers the information about gratuities. Were you not curious?

As to the my being patronizing to the British person about their custom, again, my guidebooks have a chapter on each driving while abroad and dining out.
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I was well aware of the tipping custom here. I have always tipped. Jeez - I was making a point that I was unaware your servers RELIED on tips, in the UK our servers get minimum wage, there are no sector exceptions. I just assumed your servers get minimum wage too.

Read all the guide books, yes there is a chapter on dining out - it says tipping is customary it does not say "we have a minimum wage law that covers everybody ..... except servers".

Sorry but I am very well-travelled - I'm British, it is in our blood to explore abroad - and I research every country very well. I was LIVING HERE for 3 years before I found out how badly paid servers were, it is NOT well advertised.

ETA: oh, and btw ... the name is Wedgiesock or Arwen - not "British Person"
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:40 AM   #127
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Amen to that -- first beads fly, you're a dead man.
Only if you're on Canal with the tourists. Locals watch on St Charles where I can happily sit in my lawn chair all through the parade, letting beads falls in my lap, even on Mardi Gras day
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:40 AM   #128
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If American guidebooks tell me about 'Service Compris', then I have a difficult time believing guidebooks on America do not describe our custom.

And what's funny about that, the bottom of your check at Disney offers the information about gratuities. Were you not curious?

As to the my being patronizing to the British person about their custom, again, my guidebooks have a chapter on each driving while abroad and dining out.
I have always tipped actually - regardless of which country I am in, I was raised to believe that not tipping is rude. Even here, at home, I tip 20%.

The difference is, here, I will not tip if service is particularly bad. When in the US, I have never not tipped regardless of the level of service - admittedly, servers get more, the better they are!
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:45 AM   #129
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I have always tipped actually - regardless of which country I am in, I was raised to believe that not tipping is rude. Even here, at home, I tip 20%.

The difference is, here, I will not tip if service is particularly bad. When in the US, I have never not tipped regardless of the level of service - admittedly, servers get more, the better they are!
Completely agree with this.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:50 AM   #130
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Absolutely, fully agree - but if you don't know what questions to ask you won't find out the answer. I knew it was custom to tip here, however I had absolutely no idea servers relied on it. I didn't realise there was minimum wage and then servers wage. To me, being British, a minimum wage means that every worker, no matter what sector, is paid no less than that, no exceptions.
From your lips to the powers that be's ears! I wish that our restaurants would start paying servers minimum wage instead of relying on the patrons to pick up part of their salary. Then, tipping could go back to what it was intended: A bonus for going above and beyond on your job.
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From your lips to the powers that be's ears! I wish that our restaurants would start paying servers minimum wage instead of relying on the patrons to pick up part of their salary. Then, tipping could go back to what it was intended: A bonus for going above and beyond on your job.
Thats what I am trying to explain here - seriously, I was shocked when I found out your servers don't get minimum wage, I thought that was against the law and that everyone got minimum wage. I always tip the requirement but when I found that out, I viewed tipping very differently and I tip over the requirement.
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Thats what I am trying to explain here - seriously, I was shocked when I found out your servers don't get minimum wage, I thought that was against the law and that everyone got minimum wage. I always tip the requirement but when I found that out, I viewed tipping very differently and I tip over the requirement.
Technically, they will get at least minimum wage. If a server is terrible at his job and everyone only tips him 10 cents, he won't be making minimum wage. At that point, the owner of the restaurant is required to make up the difference. I think that is how they get the exception.
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Technically, they will get at least minimum wage. If a server is terrible at his job and everyone only tips him 10 cents, he won't be making minimum wage. At that point, the owner of the restaurant is required to make up the difference. I think that is how they get the exception.
Thats just complicated BS in my opinion HA!
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Do you realize how anti-Semitic this comment is? Hopefully you aren't teaching your daughter to generalize an entire group of people based off a single person's actions. That is worse than stealing a picture during a parade IMO.
Basically, that comment confirmed everything I've always assumed about this particular poster, based on many previous posts. Gross.

I doubt she'll bother considering whether her tacky and backward attitude is appropriate...but I hope she'll at least reconsider the usage errors she's making in the way she uses the word "impact." Eesh.
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I too travel widely, and my bookcase is full of tour guides... one of my favourite things about travelling is doing research beforehand. And, very few books I've read before coming to the USA, allude to tipping customs. At all. It's just not talked about.
Every single travel book I have ever read, for every country, covers tipping.
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