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Old 11-24-2012, 09:19 AM   #31
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I'm not whining (I no longer work retail). I'm stating my beliefs. This is a family holiday, an AMERICAN holiday. If it weren't for what Thanksgiving represents, we wouldn't have this nation as it is to live in, whether we are citizens or not. Stores were closed for years on Thanksgiving, and it's only because people have become too greedy to not shop on the holiday that stores have been opening on the holiday. I've seen Black Friday from the other side, and there is NO reason to force that on associates on a holiday they used to have off. Yes, hotels and restaurants are open, but you don't see fist fights happening there just because of a bargain.

As far as not celebrating the holiday, we won't be celebrating Christmas on Christmas this year. Does that mean I expect stores to open to entertain me? No. I will entertain myself for that holiday so that employees can be with their families.
Your beliefs sound alot like whining to me.
As far as what used to be, well that was then and this is now, and anyone going in to retail can accept that working holidays is a part of that, or they can look for another job where they won't be required to work on those days. Retail establishments are there to make money, being in retail I guess I would have assumed you would understand that. If consumers have no problem spending Thanksgiving at the mall instead of at home, then good for them for staying open that day.
And Thanksgiving has nothing to do with having the nation we have, you might want to brush up on your history
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:25 AM   #32
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My impression is that the demand is to go shopping in the middle of the night. Why not have the "midnight madness" the night between Black Friday and Saturday? Then the shoppers who want to stay out all night are happy and the associates get to spend the holiday with their family.
Realistically though, isn't it often possible to spend the holiday with your family and still work on Thanksgiving? Growing up my mom often worked a shift on Thanksgiving and other holidays...if she got off at 3, we had dinner after that, if she went in at 3, we celebrated earlier. Same when my dds worked retail during school.
Wouldn't most families accomodate the working family member if it was that important to spend the holiday together?
I guess if you have to travel far away that would complicate things.
(Now someone will post how their relative had to work a 20 hour shift on Thanksgiving and blow my theory away...)
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:33 AM   #33
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Your beliefs sound alot like whining to me.
As far as what used to be, well that was then and this is now, and anyone going in to retail can accept that working holidays is a part of that, or they can look for another job where they won't be required to work on those days. Retail establishments are there to make money, being in retail I guess I would have assumed you would understand that. If consumers have no problem spending Thanksgiving at the mall instead of at home, then good for them for staying open that day.
And Thanksgiving has nothing to do with having the nation we have, you might want to brush up on your history
Having been in retail BEFORE we went to Thanksgiving openings, stores made oodles of money when it was just Black Friday. I experienced the first midnight opening of the store last year, and being open an extra 5 hours really didn't help the store all that much. The mobs that used to come early in the morning came in the middle of the night (and it was true mob mentality), and then things fizzled out during the day. I get that stores are in business to make money and not to accommodate families. However, I will NEVER understand the mentality of shopping on a national holiday. At this point the stores have been forced to open in the middle of the night, because that's when shoppers are out. Why not open in the night between Black Friday and Saturday? Shoppers get their middle of the night fun(?) and associates get the holiday with their families. Makes a lot more sense.

And my explanation of Thanksgiving was a very general statement. Having grown up in NH, we've had that history hammered into our heads
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:37 AM   #34
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Realistically though, isn't it often possible to spend the holiday with your family and still work on Thanksgiving? Growing up my mom often worked a shift on Thanksgiving and other holidays...if she got off at 3, we had dinner after that, if she went in at 3, we celebrated earlier. Same when my dds worked retail during school.
Wouldn't most families accomodate the working family member if it was that important to spend the holiday together?
I guess if you have to travel far away that would complicate things.
(Now someone will post how their relative had to work a 20 hour shift on Thanksgiving and blow my theory away...)
Depends on the circumstances. If you have to be at work at 8 pm, and you're not getting out until 8 am (pretty typical shift with some of these "midnight madness" stores) the next day, it's kind of challenging to have a holiday if you'd like to sleep before spending the night handling money and breaking up fights.
On the flip side, my stepdad works 6 am-2:30pm. Obviously, that kind of shift does make it easy to still celebrate a holiday.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:43 AM   #35
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I think the argument that stores have to do it is bosh and nonsense, personally.

BJ's Wholesale Clubs are ALL closed Thanksgiving Day, close at 6PM on Christmas Eve and are closed Christmas Day. They make a good profit and their stocks do well. It's all due to a President and CEO who stood before all of his workers and said that as long as he was in charge, NO ONE would work Thanksgiving or Christmas. (I was one of the workers at the time.)

It can happen in retail, it just takes people at the top who have moral fiber and character.
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:46 PM   #36
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I think the argument that stores have to do it is bosh and nonsense, personally.

BJ's Wholesale Clubs are ALL closed Thanksgiving Day, close at 6PM on Christmas Eve and are closed Christmas Day. They make a good profit and their stocks do well. It's all due to a President and CEO who stood before all of his workers and said that as long as he was in charge, NO ONE would work Thanksgiving or Christmas. (I was one of the workers at the time.)

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Old 11-24-2012, 06:30 PM   #37
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Having been in retail BEFORE we went to Thanksgiving openings, stores made oodles of money when it was just Black Friday. I experienced the first midnight opening of the store last year, and being open an extra 5 hours really didn't help the store all that much. The mobs that used to come early in the morning came in the middle of the night (and it was true mob mentality), and then things fizzled out during the day. I get that stores are in business to make money and not to accommodate families. However, I will NEVER understand the mentality of shopping on a national holiday. At this point the stores have been forced to open in the middle of the night, because that's when shoppers are out. Why not open in the night between Black Friday and Saturday? Shoppers get their middle of the night fun(?) and associates get the holiday with their families. Makes a lot more sense.

And my explanation of Thanksgiving was a very general statement. Having grown up in NH, we've had that history hammered into our heads
My daughter is working at Bealls this year as a seasonal employee. Her shift began at 4am Friday morning. I dropped her off at the store about 3:30am. The store was busy at that time. She said other employees told her they were slammed at midnight. She said the crowd dropped off a bit for a couple of hours early in the morning but picked up dramatically by 7am.

I went in to pick her up. She was supposed to get off at 12:30pm. The line for the cash registers was still wrapped around to the back of the store. I stayed there for awhile and realized that she was not going to get off. She ended up working until 2pm. She had worked ten hours with only one short break.

Today, she worked again. The other employees said they were busy until closing last night. Seems like very consistent business the entire day.

What amazed me is that people stood in line for an incredible time to buy something and save $5 or $10. I'm sure there were some bargains better than that, but not while I was watching. Certainly nothing I'd consider doing.
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:35 PM   #38
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No shopping last night but our family went to a movie. This isn't anything new either, we've been going to movies on Thanksgiving and Christmas night for decades.

It's kind of ironic to me that movie theatre employees have worked major holidays for so long without any of this fuss but as soon as Walmart tries it all heck breaks loose.
I have been saying the same thing for days. I worked at a movie theater in both High School and college (well over 25 years ago), and we were open on both holidays. And yes, I worked both. Even though i was still living at home, no fuss was make by me or my parents. It was what it was, and we adjusted our holiday accordingly. I don't understand why all of the fuss NOW, when other companies have been open on holidays for years.

And since this is a Disney board, how many Cast Members work Thanksgiving and/or Christmas so that others can enjoy a nice family vacation for their holiday????
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:40 PM   #39
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We have become a 24/7/365 society.
I worked graveyard shift (11 pm to 7 am) from 1980 to 2005. Almost nothing was open overnight in 1980, maybe Dennys. In those days 7-11 Stores were open.....shockingly....from 7 am to 11 pm.
By 2005 7-11 ws 24 hours, as were a lot of places. Just this week, Dutch Brothers, a coffee chain that has kiosks in shopping center parking lots....decided to experiement with being open 24 hours.
So New York City is no longer the only city that never sleeps.
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At this point the stores have been forced to open in the middle of the night, because that's when shoppers are out. Why not open in the night between Black Friday and Saturday? Shoppers get their middle of the night fun(?) and associates get the holiday with their families. Makes a lot more sense.
Stores aren't forced to open; the decision-makers choose to open because people choose to wait in line for hours or days to get the best bargains. It's got nothing to do with the 'midnight madness' aspect of Black Friday, and everything to do with being one of tge few to get the best bargain.
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I agree. It's supply and demand, and apparently the demand is there.
Yup, at least at Walmart.

Between 8pm and 12am Thanksgiving evening, they had almost 22 million shoppers and sold 5,000 items per second. Five thousand items per second.

Gray Thursday (barf) is here to stay.
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I think the retailers who are promoting this have backed themselves into a corner now. There are folks like me (we have a Wal-Mart, a Stage, a Rue 21, a couple of Dollar Stores, hardware stores and an Office Depot not including the little Main Street boutiquey places - where I WILL be shopping tomorrow for Small Business Saturday!) who feel even MORE squicky about shopping in their stores, and they've got these madhouses of shopping that probably cost an arm and a leg to staff. . .but has their net for the entire season changed any???
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I have been saying the same thing for days. I worked at a movie theater in both High School and college (well over 25 years ago), and we were open on both holidays. And yes, I worked both. Even though i was still living at home, no fuss was make by me or my parents. It was what it was, and we adjusted our holiday accordingly. I don't understand why all of the fuss NOW, when other companies have been open on holidays for years.

And since this is a Disney board, how many Cast Members work Thanksgiving and/or Christmas so that others can enjoy a nice family vacation for their holiday????
Because it is Walmart and Walmart is seen as being "evil". It makes a good target so people decided it was time to get upset about it. They don't pay attention to those who point out other non-essential industries have been open these days for years because it doesn't support their argument. It's all about the evils of Walmart and retail in general.
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...not including the little Main Street boutiquey places - where I WILL be shopping tomorrow for Small Business Saturday!)
Very seriously - when did Small Business Saturday move to Sunday? Not giving you a hard time, but I'm 100% positive today is Saturday.
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I was thankful that our local grocery store was open on Thanksgiving. We needed kitty litter and gas before we drove up to the in-law's house.

But we won't do other shopping on Thanksgiving.

I don't see my job ever asking me to work on Thaksgving. Even if they did, I am salaried with 27 days of PTO, so i would just take the day off, anyway. There have been times where I worked on a holiday (specifically the 4th of July), and it was an emergency and I was paid overtime.
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