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Old 11-19-2012, 09:57 AM   #136
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No one is looking down their nose at your time or effort. I applaud anyone how even starts a race. However, no matter how much time, effort, money, and pain you put into a race the only people who actually earn a finisher's medal are those that finish the entire 13.1 or 26.2 mile in the alloted amount of time.

People are free to rationalize it however they want but no matter how hard getting to the start of any race is you don't earn a finisher's medal for it. Ever. Full Stop.
100% agree. I hate to sound mean, but I feel that everyone who registers for the race and attends packet pick-up gets the race tech shirt. If Disney is going to call the medal the Finisher's Medal, that should only be reserved for those that finish the race.

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I love this because it's what I have been doing after a lot of fumbling around, and I'm relieved to hear I'm on the right track. After PRing my second half with 4/1 intervals (2:44), I'm now training for a 5K with speedwork and no intervals; goal is <35m on a hilly course in 2 weeks.

Perhaps this is off topic for this thread, but any more specifics on the advice to "set your own run/walk ratio in future races"? I'm thinking about training to run continuously at the Princess and then do some speedwork for my late May half, but am worried I may find myself slowing down. I'm not expecting to PR the princess, but just can't decide on a strategy WRT intervals or not for the 13.1 distance.

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Not sure how much this helps, but I started out with the same intervals you used for your half PR - 4/1 (congrats, by the way!). I think I then went to 5/1 for awhile, then run 1 mile/walk 1 minute. Right now I'm at run 2 miles/walk 1 minute. I think I started this way because I was told to take fluids every 20 minutes (which is about every 2 miles for me) so I time my water breaks with the walk breaks. I also like it a bit better because it makes the run feel shorter to me if I'm taking less walk breaks...it's totally a mental thing. I think it's just one of the many things you may want to fool around with in training until you figure out what works best for you.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:35 AM   #137
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And just to add some fuel to the fire, just saw this:

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish...ailable-locals

Apparently, you didn't even need to start the NYC Marathon this year! Although, this is a little difference since there were no Finishers, but still...thoughts?
As a born and bred new yorker with the nyc marathon in my blood, I feel that it is the right call in this terrible circumstance. Those runners deserved those medals for all they were put through by our *chooseyourexpletive* Mayor.

Mayor Bloomberg made the worst calls EVER that whole week. It took an uprising of locals, tens of thousands of people, to petition his smug self to do the right thing and cancel. He SHOULD have canceled on tuesday. New Yorkers don't want to cancel the marathon. We love it. The people who live along the course pick up tens of thousands of paper cups every single year and welcome this massive amazing race year after year. But there was no way this race should have been run, through staten island, where bodies were still being dragged out of flooded cars on friday. So sad. Awful stuff.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:12 AM   #138
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This will be my first ever marathon...Disney is the ONLY one I want to run...I'm NOT a distance runner and struggle with it tremendously. I've got an injured knee and plantar fasciitis. Both are VERY painful. However, I've invested a lot of time in attempting to train since July. Today, I was only able to do 10 miles...under the required time still but I'm concerned that I might not make it.

I've invested money in the race...money to fly there, money in a hotel reservation, money in food, money in tickets to the park, money in 2 new pairs of shoes, running gear for cold weather, gels, KT tape, and the list will continue to go on.

I've also raised $1000 for JDRF to run with their team. It has not been easy but I'm trying...

To think that all of my effort has some with their noses turned up at me hurts...I will STILL put in 100% and attempt to reach the 26.2 finish line. I'm hoping that the Disney parks will be a welcome change of pace and flatter terrain will help me too.

I'm trying...I'm grateful that Disney sees ME (not one of the people who's planning to get swept just for a medal) as a finisher...whether I cross the line or not but because I've put in WELL OVER 26.2 miles in training to be there.

Truly not sure what to think but saddened that I came across this post and felt I needed to give some perspective from a runner who feels like she is trying to make it.
To me, this was not a healthy dose of perspective. This was rationalizing. I don't particularly care if it sounds mean. My nose isn't turned up at you for not being the fastest runner, but it is turned up a little at you for feeling like you're this unique, tortured soul in the marathon training universe.

Guess what: everyone who runs a marathon does everything you just listed (except perhaps the raising money. Super kudos to you for that. I've never raised that much money for anything, and very much respect anyone who does).

If you talked to everyone posting on this thread, I'm sure you'd hear a litany of injuries, and tons of descriptions of running through pain, slogging for 18+ miles through humid July and August days, vast expenditures for travel, entry fees, Gu packets, protein bars, running shoes, orthotics, doctor's office visits, and the like. You'd hear about good running days and bad runnings days; personal records and personal failures. You'd hear a lot of folks (myself included) describing being overweight and still trying to run anyway. I started distance running the first time when I weighed over 300 pounds. I have a permanently weak ankle and a bad knee. I was very slow. The first time I ran 13.1 it took me like 2:45 to do it. But I did it.

I can now run 13.1 in 1:45. I weigh 125 pounds less than I did at my heaviest. I can't tell you how much time and money went into that effort, but trust me, it was a lot. However, I also believe that, if I start a race and don't finish it, I'm not a finisher and I don't deserve to be treated like one. If that philosophy hurts someone's feelings, so be it.

I (and you and everyone else on this thread) have logged hundreds of miles in training. That isn't some sort of substitute for finishing the race. A race on any given day isn't about "the journey" (I still don't fully understand what people mean by that), it's about that race on that day. You go out, you run, and you leave it all on the road. If you finish, awesome. If you don't, that's not an indictment of you or your character. It just means you didn't finish that race on that day. Own it. Use it as bulletin board material for your next race. Just don't use it to make excuses. </Rant>
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:38 AM   #139
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To me, this was not a healthy dose of perspective. This was rationalizing. I don't particularly care if it sounds mean. My nose isn't turned up at you for not being the fastest runner, but it is turned up a little at you for feeling like you're this unique, tortured soul in the marathon training universe.

Guess what: everyone who runs a marathon does everything you just listed (except perhaps the raising money. Super kudos to you for that. I've never raised that much money for anything, and very much respect anyone who does).

If you talked to everyone posting on this thread, I'm sure you'd hear a litany of injuries, and tons of descriptions of running through pain, slogging for 18+ miles through humid July and August days, vast expenditures for travel, entry fees, Gu packets, protein bars, running shoes, orthotics, doctor's office visits, and the like. You'd hear about good running days and bad runnings days; personal records and personal failures. You'd hear a lot of folks (myself included) describing being overweight and still trying to run anyway. I started distance running the first time when I weighed over 300 pounds. I have a permanently weak ankle and a bad knee. I was very slow. The first time I ran 13.1 it took me like 2:45 to do it. But I did it.

I can now run 13.1 in 1:45. I weigh 125 pounds less than I did at my heaviest. I can't tell you how much time and money went into that effort, but trust me, it was a lot. However, I also believe that, if I start a race and don't finish it, I'm not a finisher and I don't deserve to be treated like one. If that philosophy hurts someone's feelings, so be it.

I (and you and everyone else on this thread) have logged hundreds of miles in training. That isn't some sort of substitute for finishing the race. A race on any given day isn't about "the journey" (I still don't fully understand what people mean by that), it's about that race on that day. You go out, you run, and you leave it all on the road. If you finish, awesome. If you don't, that's not an indictment of you or your character. It just means you didn't finish that race on that day. Own it. Use it as bulletin board material for your next race. Just don't use it to make excuses. </Rant>
I have to agree. My reward for finishing is that medal. My reward for training is satisfaction. I have slogged through learning to run. I started running at 270 pounds and slogged through losing almost 70 of that. I have been injured, spend hundreds on therapies, and spent a ton on running gear, shoes, and not to mention the hundreds of dollars in travel expenses. I have fundraised over $2400 this year with my running (for Autism Speaks and NF Canada). I have run 13 races this year in preparation for marathon weekend. I have been in serious training since February.

No one owes me a medal for showing up to a race.

I owe it to myself to do my best on race day. If I cannot finish I do not want a medal. There are no consolation prizes in running a race. You either finish or you don't. It is an achievement to finish, and the medal is the reward for doing it.

But I agree with a previous poster, that it isn't my decision. That is for the RD. It's only my opinion.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:44 AM   #140
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The only way, the ONLY way I could accept Disney giving medals to DNF's is if they called the race on account of weather. I would be upset that I didn't get to run the race and complete it, I wouldn't wear the medal proudly , but I would take it.
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2012 Disneyland Half Marathon Medal, Rare, Only Given To Runners That Finished

I visited ebay for the first time in ages today. Had to search to see if any marathon medals were posted. This one made me chuckle....sounds like false advertising!
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:09 PM   #142
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I visited ebay for the first time in ages today. Had to search to see if any marathon medals were posted. This one made me chuckle....sounds like false advertising!
Wow, that is false advertising. Too bad Ebay seems to have a lot of that. The odd thing is that race medals really don't seem to bring in any money. Not surprised it doesn't have any bids. People just need to run in the 2013 race to get an exact replica.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:30 PM   #143
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Hmm...
I think there is a difference between Disney giving out the medal to anyone who participates...and Disney actually seeing them as a finisher. They are not one and the same. If they saw those who did not finish as finishers, there wouldn't be a final count of finishers. And everyone's name would be listed as a finisher. But that isn't the case. Disney's policy is to give out the medal to everyone. But it is not their policy to view or count everyone as a finisher.

I don't doubt that people train and train hard. Everyone trains for more miles than what is actually run on race day. Maybe not in one given run, but the total overall is WELL more than race day. That doesn't necessarily make you a finisher. My first half was this year's Wine & Dine. I finished it in 3:32. CLEARLY I am slow. Honestly, I really don't care. I am sure that as I add more races under my belt, I will start knocking that time down. But for my first half, I am just thankful to have finished. In spite of all my training, I was in terrible pain the next day to where I broke down in sobs just laying in bed. It was awful. BUT...I did it. I could go on and on about all the obstacles I had to overcome to get there (such as excruciating pain with my endometriosis, the summer heat always at 110+ before heat index, more money than I can count between travel, race, race gear, etc, and SO much more). And for me, the journey was part of it. But the finish was THE biggest part. It was the goal, and one that was met.

Now, I have NO problems with those who accept the medal even if they don't finish. I really don't. It is their decision for whatever reason they choose. It's not my place to judge. And since it is runDisney's policy, I won't fault anyone for accepting it (my view is that if people are REALLY bothered by the policy, they don't have to participate in a race where the organization has such a policy). But I do hope people recognize the difference between accepting a finisher's medal...and actually being viewed as a finisher. If I had been swept, I am not sure whether I would accept the medal. Personal satisfaction would be a HUGE thing for me...and there would be none with a finisher's medal for a race that I did not finish. But I think that is why I was debating it with myself...because there would have been no satisfaction in that medal. I would have it and always know I didn't cross the finish line. And I think that would have made me push myself even harder so the next medal would not have that same feeling attached to it. Not all people look at it the same way, but that is how it was for me. But I did cross that finish line so I don't know what my decision would have been had I been in that situation.
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Hmm...
I think there is a difference between Disney giving out the medal to anyone who participates...and Disney actually seeing them as a finisher. They are not one and the same. If they saw those who did not finish as finishers, there wouldn't be a final count of finishers. And everyone's name would be listed as a finisher. But that isn't the case. Disney's policy is to give out the medal to everyone. But it is not their policy to view or count everyone as a finisher.

I don't doubt that people train and train hard. Everyone trains for more miles than what is actually run on race day. Maybe not in one given run, but the total overall is WELL more than race day. That doesn't necessarily make you a finisher. My first half was this year's Wine & Dine. I finished it in 3:32. CLEARLY I am slow. Honestly, I really don't care. I am sure that as I add more races under my belt, I will start knocking that time down. But for my first half, I am just thankful to have finished. In spite of all my training, I was in terrible pain the next day to where I broke down in sobs just laying in bed. It was awful. BUT...I did it. I could go on and on about all the obstacles I had to overcome to get there (such as excruciating pain with my endometriosis, the summer heat always at 110+ before heat index, more money than I can count between travel, race, race gear, etc, and SO much more). And for me, the journey was part of it. But the finish was THE biggest part. It was the goal, and one that was met.

Now, I have NO problems with those who accept the medal even if they don't finish. I really don't. It is their decision for whatever reason they choose. It's not my place to judge. And since it is runDisney's policy, I won't fault anyone for accepting it (my view is that if people are REALLY bothered by the policy, they don't have to participate in a race where the organization has such a policy). But I do hope people recognize the difference between accepting a finisher's medal...and actually being viewed as a finisher. If I had been swept, I am not sure whether I would accept the medal. Personal satisfaction would be a HUGE thing for me...and there would be none with a finisher's medal for a race that I did not finish. But I think that is why I was debating it with myself...because there would have been no satisfaction in that medal. I would have it and always know I didn't cross the finish line. And I think that would have made me push myself even harder so the next medal would not have that same feeling attached to it. Not all people look at it the same way, but that is how it was for me. But I did cross that finish line so I don't know what my decision would have been had I been in that situation.
I just had a discussion like your reply with DW before dinner. As is evident from my earlier reply, I am in agreement with you but I could see someone hanging the medal on the wall facing the wall to indicate a DNF. That sure would encourage one to have the next medal facing outwards.
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Thanks to everyone sharing their opinions in a very interesting discussion.

Me, I wouldn't wear / keep a medal for a race I didn't run, but if it keeps someone else trying for another day, I can get behind that. Whatever it takes people to keep trying is what I'm for.

If more people voiced opinions like those shared here, though, I think Disney would change the name to "participant's medal." And that's what it really is!

Here's an ethical question: do you "own" the medal even if you don't finish the race? If so, can you sell it on eBay? Can you sell it on eBay if you do finish the race.

Love these comments!
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Thanks to everyone sharing their opinions in a very interesting discussion.

Me, I wouldn't wear / keep a medal for a race I didn't run, but if it keeps someone else trying for another day, I can get behind that. Whatever it takes people to keep trying is what I'm for.

If more people voiced opinions like those shared here, though, I think Disney would change the name to "participant's medal." And that's what it really is!

Here's an ethical question: do you "own" the medal even if you don't finish the race? If so, can you sell it on eBay? Can you sell it on eBay if you do finish the race.

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my bolding...

IMO, the entry fee includes everything one receives from Expo to leaving. I payed for it, I own it. Keep it, sell it, whatever floats the boat.

I enter and race to test myself under controlled conditions compared to others. Not for shirt or bling.
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the summer heat always at 110+ before heat index
You must have been training somewhere in the Sahara... or Death Valley maybe?

My guess is that those who received medals for not finishing would actually be the ones MOST likely to sell the medal on eBay. Helps recoup some of next year's entry fee for what will hopefully be the successful attempt?
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There was just too many people trying to do 13.1 as a first race, which I find to be very strange. I started out with the 5k as a bucket list item, then a 10k because hey, it's only twice as long, and only then even thought about a half marathon. It see many people signing up for halves without so much as running a mile.

Giving everyone a medal causes people to try to do something they aren't prepared for. Half marathons and full marathons are not something to joke with. People have died attempting them. Even at the 10 miler, undertrained people were passed out, vomiting, and you could hear people calling medic constantly! It's just not worth that risk.
To this point, running or running/walking a half can be a risk if you're not ready. Why not run a few 5Ks and 10Ks before you commit to a half? And then the medal will truly mean you finished. Pushing yourself to complete a race you aren't ready for can be dangerous. One of my DH's best friends experienced a heart attack in this year's Chicago marathon. He's a runner, ran marathons before, but didn't train for this one. He thought he could do it with little training. He was wrong. He was DEAD for a couple of minutes, but fortunately he collapsed in front of a medical tent and happened to be running next to a doctor who performed CPR until the AED could be brought over.

I am not trying to discourage new runners at all. I'm a relatively new runner myself. But I'm not going to risk my health by signing up for a marathon just so I can get a medal. Plus, that's one expensive medal if you're not going to train and run or run/walk to finish! (But I will be running the Princess Half in Feb; my first half after months of training!)
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You must have been training somewhere in the Sahara... or Death Valley maybe?
Oklahoma City, actually. There were very few days below 100 over the summer (and by below, I mean it went down to the "low" 99). Temps were constantly about 105-110, usually at 110. With heat index, it was usually 115 to 120. Summer 2011 was the same way. My toddlers had major cabin fever because they wanted to go outside to play and it was just way too hot. Even at 2am, it was still around 100. The summers here are awful. I remember seeing some Florida friends talk about how hot it was over the summer...and I just kept thinking how I would LOVE that "hot." We had heat advisories/warnings literally every single day over the summer.
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As a WISHer who has DNF'd two Disney races, including the Wine & Dine last week-end, I've found many of the comments on this thread thoughtless and not at all in the spirit of WISH that I know and love and that changed my life.

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