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Old 09-17-2012, 06:37 PM   #121
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"Times and conditions change so rapidly that we must keep our aim constantly focused on the future."

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Walt's ideas would have evolved.

Stranding his ideas in 1966 (or before) does a disservice to his legacy of forward thinking.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:40 PM   #122
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To the best of my knowledge, Walt never said that alcohol should not be sold in other parks, only the MK.
There were no other parks when Walt was alive.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:47 PM   #123
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There were no other parks when Walt was alive.
I remember EPCOT, in its original form as a community before it was turned into another theme park, being discussed by Walt himself in this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxC_a...feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBNfa...feature=relmfu
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:51 PM   #124
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I remember EPCOT, in its original form as a community, being discussed.
Walt's idea for Epcot was that it was to be city where people worked and lived.

It didn't turn out that way, even though that's what he said he wanted. He was very clear about that. As you've pointed out...there is even video.

It also didn't come in to existence until the 1980s....16 years (minus two months) after he died.
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Keep in mind that Walt had an Aunt Jemima restaurant in his park and agreed to sell ladies undergarments on Main Street. [/QUOTE]

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Old 09-17-2012, 06:53 PM   #126
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Keep in mind that Walt had an Aunt Jemima restaurant in his park and agreed to sell ladies undergarments on Main Street.
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That's the modernized version.
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"Times and conditions change so rapidly that we must keep our aim constantly focused on the future."

Walt Disney

Walt's ideas would have evolved.

Stranding his ideas in 1966 (or before) does a disservice to his legacy of forward thinking.
Bringing alcohol into a children's fantasy land is not forward thinking
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I remember EPCOT, in its original form as a community, being discussed.
Walt's idea for the Entire Florida Project was EPCOT.... With a City center at the center of the property, A possible entertainment area north of the city (MK), and industrial areas down at the southern end of the property. Considering Walt's Experimental Prototype Community Of Tomorrow was a pre-planned living/breathing city with residential, business, and entertainment areas (both for families and adults without families), as well as public transportation galore.... I'd have a feeling there would've been a pub or 2 someplace in the area. Walt himself liked to occasionally have a drink after work, so I don't think he would've said his community would've been dry. (That would've been the equivalent of saying that Orlando would've had to be completely dry...).


The EPCOT Center as built, and the one Walt planned, were two totally different things that can't really be compared.



(FYI... since it may not be clear in this post, I'm into the pro-dry MK camp for tradition and slippery slope sakes.... )
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Bringing alcohol into a children's fantasy land is not forward thinking
That's an opinion.

I'm curious why alcohol is being demonized.

Why arent all of Walt's wishes being fulfilled.

Nikkibell has pointed out video showing what Walt wanted Epcot to become.

I'm guessing no one has called Guest Relations to complain about this.
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Walt's idea for the Entire Florida Project was EPCOT.... With a City center at the center of the property, A possible entertainment area north of the city (MK), and industrial areas down at the southern end of the property. Considering Walt's Experimental Prototype Community Of Tomorrow was a pre-planned living/breathing city with residential, business, and entertainment areas (both for families and adults without families), as well as public transportation galore.... I'd have a feeling there would've been a pub or 2 someplace in the area. Walt himself liked to occasionally have a drink after work, so I don't think he would've said his community would've been dry. (That would've been the equivalent of saying that Orlando would've had to be completely dry...).


The EPCOT Center as built, and the one Walt planned, were two totally different things that can't really be compared.



(FYI... since it may not be clear in this post, I'm into the pro-dry MK camp for tradition and slippery slope sakes.... )
I definitely agree. There definitely would have been alcohol in the "community" and Walt did enjoy his whiskey, from what I understand. MK, though, was to be kept "dry."
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Bringing alcohol into a children's fantasy land is not forward thinking
Didnt Walt also mention the Magic Kingdom being for children "of all ages"?
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That's an opinion.

I'm curious why alcohol is being demonized.

Why arent all of Walt's wishes being fulfilled.

Nikkibell has pointed out video showing what Walt wanted Epcot to become.

I'm guessing no one has called Guest Relations to complain about this.
For me, it's obvious why the alcohol issue is being raised as a concern: it can lead to unruly or even "dangerous" behavior that could interrupt the atmosphere of a family park. Can and do some people drink responsibly? Yes. Are there those who do not? Yes. Should we risk that from happening in, as another poster described so well, a children's fantasyland?

Similarly, Epcot as it is today instead of the original idea does not have the potential to cause harm - either emotionally, spiritually, or physically - due to its difference from the intended. Alchohol, in my opinion, does.
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I guess I should point out that I dont drink alcohol....pretty much ever.

I'm just curious with all of the examples given of how Walt's wishes have been changed or ignored, why the one about the Magic Kingdom being "dry" has been engraved in stone.

Why has this become the golden rule when having a racist restaurant removed from the Magic Kingdom wasn't an issue/

It's my opinion that this was done because times changed...regardless of what Walt thought or felt.
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From the Disney Parks Blog

“As part of the overall theming, we wanted to offer wine that enhances the guest experience and complements the French-inspired cuisine,” says Stuart McGuire, Beverage Director, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. “The wines focus primarily on France’s famous wine-growing regions, including Champagne, Alsace, Loire, Rhone, Burgundy and Bordeaux.

“We’ll also offer the leading French beer, Kronenbourg 1664,” says McGuire. “And, staying in the general region, we’ll also offer Belgian beers.”
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For me, it's obvious why the alcohol issue is being raised as a concern: it can lead to unruly or even "dangerous" behavior that could interrupt the atmosphere of a family park. Can and do some people drink responsibly? Yes. Are there those who do not? Yes. Should we risk that from happening in, as another poster described so well, a children's fantasyland?

Similarly, Epcot as it is today instead of the original idea does not have the potential to cause harm - either emotionally, spiritually, or physically - due to its difference from the intended. Alchohol, in my opinion, does.
I'm confused.

What about drinking in Epcot is causing emotional, spiritual or physical harm?

Is it the alcohol?
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