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Old 08-20-2012, 08:28 AM   #16
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Hey, I was on the 2009 thread for a while with my eldest DD, too! You would think the second go-around with youngest DD would be a piece of cake, but no!

My experience is similar to UGADOG, where eldest was the one that scored great on standardized tests, volunteered, had a good GPA and Honors/AP classes, was involved in school academic clubs, etc. She had to work hard for good grades, they didn't come easily, but she got them and hey, it really helped that she did well on those standardized tests, because she had a 32 on the ACT. We knew she had no problem going to the one, and only one, school she would apply to, Purdue.

DD #2 is a different story. She is terrible on standardized tests, yet learning is very easy for her. She picks up new concepts so quickly, and is a wonderful writer, but does not like to volunteer all that much, and school is more social than a place to strive for good grades to make that college application time easier! Last semester of Junior year, she finally realized that college was looming, so she buckled down and got all "A" grades, including the AP and honors classes, but hey, too little too late.

She also did not score as high on the ACT as we had hoped, getting only a 27 the first time, and a 25 the second time. She has a problem with timed tests, she gets very flustered and nervous that she won't finish. We know she could score higher, we are witness to her intelligence every day, but this is what she has, so this is what she is going to be sending on!

This DD is active in sports and band, however, and one of the things she would like in college are badminton and orchestra band programs. She also wants a smaller college than her sister's Purdue, but that makes it harder to find those extra activities!

Originally, DD was going to study Psychology, so over spring break, I took her to see schools within 5 hours of us that offer Psychology (5 hours away by car is her comfort level). After being a nanny this summer, she thinks Elementary Education is more her style, she she went to see the schools that offer that. I hope she won't change her mind again, but if so, I am thinking that she should go to a larger school, so she has options. But what do I know, I am just the parent!

So far, top schools are....

IU Bloomington, IN (loves the beauty of the campus, and best looking guys are there)

Eastern IL, Charleston, IL (says it is like Purdue, but smaller, likes the smaller size)

Quincy University, Quincy, IL (says campus is pretty)

Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN (sister goes there, and hot farm boys)

Illinois State, Bloomington, IL (did not like the city atmosphere)

Taylor University, Urban, IN (did not like the restrictive religious moral code you have to abide by, but liked the small school size - I liked the moral code! )

She says that if her sister goes on to graduate school at Purdue, then she will go to Purdue. I am not sure she will get in to either Purdue or IU! Of course, she needs to start those college aps, and pray for some scholarships! Those Indiana schools are expensive for out-of-state residents! Thank God we plan on moving to Southern IN once she is gone, and what I believe my top IL school fit for her, Eastern, does offer in-state rates for Indiana residents, so score for Eastern either way!

I believe this will be a bumpy ride!
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:36 AM   #17
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I'm jumping in also. My daughter starts her senior year in 2 weeks and I know it will fly. She is looking at schools in Florida. She wants to play soccer and we are in contact with several coaches right now. She hates the cold weather so she is primarily looking at Florida and a school in South Carolina.
Should be an interesting year.
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:40 AM   #18
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I'd just like to jump in and say for students who don't do well on standardized tests but may shine in an application, there are an increasing number of liberal arts schools that don't require any standardized test scores.

They do it in part because of their philosophy, and in part because they don't have to report the scores in for rankings on the US News and World Report (which lets them take good kids who might otherwise pull their averages and rankings down).

Fair Test has a list of them (for the record, Fair Test is a nonprofit working to end standardized testing, but their list should be correct):
http://www.fairtest.org/university/optional
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:53 AM   #19
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Hi All,
Our school year started two weeks ago, but my younger daughter and I have been working on the college process since the end of last year. I've been through this once before, but this time around, it is totally different. My first daughter was all academic: high grades, heavy volunteer work, lots of academic extra curriculars, academic clubs, good test scores...on and on. This time........well........this one is my theatre girl.

She has an active 504 for ADD, math disability, and some visual processing issues. Her grades are going to fall in the 3.0-3.3 average. She has taken "Advanced" classes but no APs. She is a TERRIBLE standardized test taker and never shows her full potential with that at all. She has taken the ACT once, but it was dismal, as expected. She will retake in September and probably again in October.

What's in her favor? She is a technical theatre kid with no performance desires! By the end of this school year, she will have had experience in 19 different (quality) productions in 4 years of high school. Apparently, the fact that she's tech gives her a bit of an edge in the competition for theatre schools. She really only wants a BFA program and would LOVE a true conservatory. Finances are a huge issue as I'm a single mom and a teacher.

I know that for performance majors there is a suggestion of 12+ plus schools since the admittance rate is so low compared to the numbers applying. For tech kids, they usually suggest 6-ish, but we have decided to go with 12 because she wants as many theatre classes as possible and as little core as possible and it will all boil down to money in the end. (I spend tons of time on College Confidential, so a lot of my info comes from those there.)

Yes, I know theatre is a "risky" major. That isn't even a topic for conservation with me. This is her passion, and I will support her in following her dreams. Yes, I realize that some core is a requirement everywhere. However, I have done extensive research into course requirements in all of these schools. The amount of core varies greatly from place to place and degree to degree. She is only interested in a BFA program, but we do have one "safety" BA on the list as a last resort. We are in Georgia, so our choices are along the East Coast, mostly.

So, that brings us to the list:
Conservatories:
Point Park University
SUNY-Purchase
Shenandoah University
Webster University
University of North Carolina School of the Arts

Conservatory Style:
Coastal Carolina University
University of Central Florida
Evansville University
Virginia Commonwealth University

In State:
Columbus State (as close to a really good theatre program as we have here)
Valdosta State (non audition BFA for tech)
West GA (BA....dear LORD don't let this be the school! )

So, what about your high school senior? Have you started the process? Please share as we all go through this together!

Melanie
Is there any chance you are in favor of arranged marriages and is your DD interested in a 15 y/o? Our kids are almost identical. Mine has a visual processing disorder along with other LD, does horribly on standardized tests, and has the mid-range GPA. On the plus side, he is a math genius so he can help your DD and she can help him with his writing. On top of that, he is a theater tech lover! He has been in some productions but much prefers the sound and lighting aspect and has been able to experience both along with assistant stage manager. Who needs match.com when we have the Dis!

Good luck to your DD. My oldest is a senior this year and like your oldest, she is the academic one with all the extras. It is still a long process and she is having a hard time deciding.
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Old 08-20-2012, 10:13 AM   #20
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CMU or NYU would be amazing, but I have to be realistic. The chances of her being accpeted would be very slim. Secondly, there is just no way I could afford it.
Sorry--I know this is about other parents, but I wanted to put another quick comment in: have you thought about University of the Arts in Philly? It's a good 10k less a year than CMU for tuition, and the room charges are less as well. It has a really good faculty, and Philly is a very vibrant theater town (over 50 companies) that's quite close to NYC.
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Old 08-20-2012, 11:44 AM   #21
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We are in the same boat. SAT testing is complete and our son is starting the application process. We are supporting him but he is responsible for preparing and sending applications. Looks like he will apply to five schools:

Georgia Tech
Vanderbilt
Clemson
Syracuse
Virginia Tech

We have visited Georgia Tech and Clemson and he liked both though preferred GT's urban campus. Will visit Vanderbilt and Virginia Tech this fall. Not sure about Syracuse but he wanted to include a northern school. We will visit in January so that he can fully appreciate winter in New York. Likely to come down to GT, Vandy and Clemson (the state school option).

Any thoughts on these schools is appreciated.
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:22 PM   #22
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Jumping in with two feet! My DS17 is class of 2013 too.

He is an average student, currently has a 3.24 GPA and took the SAT once- got an 1140 which devastated him. He will take it again in October. He has only taken one AP class. The rest of his classes have been regular academic (which I guess is college prep- we only have three levels in our system- academic, honors and AP).

He has greatly improved academically since his jr. year. He was diagnosed with Lyme Disease in the winter of his sophomore year, and by all indications, he had had it for a long time. We tried to pinpoint when he might have come down with it, and we think it may have been at the end of summer before his Freshman year. I don't want to make excuses for him, but he was always tired, had trouble concentrating, and showed some signs of depression (moodiness), which we always chalked up to his being a teenager. But knowing now what I know about Lyme, it very well could have been the Lyme Disease. He had a miserable first two years of high school. Once treated and back to "normal", he improved greatly. I plan on sharing this story to the admissions officers at the private schools he is applying to, and his "personal statement" will be based on living with Lyme disease for the state schools.

Anyway, he is a super involved kid- band, orchestra, chorus, theatre, and will graduate with about 800 community service hours (he is in the top 12 earners of hours in his class of 666). He also holds leadership positions and is very active in our church.

He wants to major in either Psychology with a counseling concentration, or a psychology major with a youth ministry minor. One school he is looking at has a 5 year dual degree program for psychology with counseling concentration and a masters in youth ministry. That one is perfect- but the school is small from what we've heard. Really small.

So far, we have looked at:
East Stroudsburg University (of PA)
Messiah College (in Grantham PA)
Millersville University (of PA)

In October, we are scheduled to see:
Eastern University (in St. David's PA)
Cairn University (in Langhorne PA)
Kutztown University (of PA)

My biggest struggle is getting him to start writing the essays. He is really bucking me on this one. I wanted him to get it done over the summer before the school year craziness starts. So far, he hasn't done it. He has a couple of apps started and saved on the computer, but that's as far as we've gotten. I think he is overwhelmed. How can I help him without doing it for him?!
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Hey, I was on the 2009 thread for a while with my eldest DD, too! You would think the second go-around with youngest DD would be a piece of cake, but no!

My experience is similar to UGADOG, where eldest was the one that scored great on standardized tests, volunteered, had a good GPA and Honors/AP classes, was involved in school academic clubs, etc. She had to work hard for good grades, they didn't come easily, but she got them and hey, it really helped that she did well on those standardized tests, because she had a 32 on the ACT. We knew she had no problem going to the one, and only one, school she would apply to, Purdue.

DD #2 is a different story. She is terrible on standardized tests, yet learning is very easy for her. She picks up new concepts so quickly, and is a wonderful writer, but does not like to volunteer all that much, and school is more social than a place to strive for good grades to make that college application time easier! Last semester of Junior year, she finally realized that college was looming, so she buckled down and got all "A" grades, including the AP and honors classes, but hey, too little too late.

She also did not score as high on the ACT as we had hoped, getting only a 27 the first time, and a 25 the second time. She has a problem with timed tests, she gets very flustered and nervous that she won't finish. We know she could score higher, we are witness to her intelligence every day, but this is what she has, so this is what she is going to be sending on!

This DD is active in sports and band, however, and one of the things she would like in college are badminton and orchestra band programs. She also wants a smaller college than her sister's Purdue, but that makes it harder to find those extra activities!

Originally, DD was going to study Psychology, so over spring break, I took her to see schools within 5 hours of us that offer Psychology (5 hours away by car is her comfort level). After being a nanny this summer, she thinks Elementary Education is more her style, she she went to see the schools that offer that. I hope she won't change her mind again, but if so, I am thinking that she should go to a larger school, so she has options. But what do I know, I am just the parent!

So far, top schools are....

IU Bloomington, IN (loves the beauty of the campus, and best looking guys are there)

Eastern IL, Charleston, IL (says it is like Purdue, but smaller, likes the smaller size)

Quincy University, Quincy, IL (says campus is pretty)

Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN (sister goes there, and hot farm boys)

Illinois State, Bloomington, IL (did not like the city atmosphere)

Taylor University, Urban, IN (did not like the restrictive religious moral code you have to abide by, but liked the small school size - I liked the moral code! )

She says that if her sister goes on to graduate school at Purdue, then she will go to Purdue. I am not sure she will get in to either Purdue or IU! Of course, she needs to start those college aps, and pray for some scholarships! Those Indiana schools are expensive for out-of-state residents! Thank God we plan on moving to Southern IN once she is gone, and what I believe my top IL school fit for her, Eastern, does offer in-state rates for Indiana residents, so score for Eastern either way!

I believe this will be a bumpy ride!
Has she looked at DePauw University in Greencastle, IN? It is a small school with about 2500 students but has the social scene of the larger schools. It is about 45 minutes from Purdue, IU, and Indy.
It has an amazing psych program and elementary ed program. In addition, it has a really strong school of music which would give her opportunities for continuing some of her activities.
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MaryinPA, just a suggestion. Have your S take the ACT. It is accepted everywhere and my kids did better on it than the SAT.
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We are in the same boat. SAT testing is complete and our son is starting the application process. We are supporting him but he is responsible for preparing and sending applications. Looks like he will apply to five schools:

Georgia Tech
Vanderbilt
Clemson
Syracuse
Virginia Tech

We have visited Georgia Tech and Clemson and he liked both though preferred GT's urban campus. Will visit Vanderbilt and Virginia Tech this fall. Not sure about Syracuse but he wanted to include a northern school. We will visit in January so that he can fully appreciate winter in New York. Likely to come down to GT, Vandy and Clemson (the state school option).

Any thoughts on these schools is appreciated.
As an Atlantan, I can tell you that GT is a great academic institution. However, it has had serious student safety issues in the last 5 years or so. If your ds is 6'5" and 250 lbs, he'll probably be safe. If he's any smaller, then he will need to work on his self-defense skills. I hope GT will take action on the situation.
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I'm enjoying reading everyone's stories. Thanks for sharing! My daughter went today to request her first three transcripts to be sent. As for UArts, we have looked into it quite a bit. I know it's cheaper than CMU, but it is still very expensive. We ended up just taking that one off the list.
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UGADOG99-this is way far from where you are looking-but for theatre/performing arts look at the University of Northern Colorado. It is in Greeley CO which is a smaller town about 90 minutes north of Denver. Their arts program is renown-people come from all over to attend and many of their alumni are now on Broadway. They are very supportive of the arts and it is a huge focus. And-if a change in major takes place they have strong business, education and nursing/health care programs.

It is affordable even for out of state. Greeley is kind of a "cow town" but the kids that go to school there love it.

(My dd just graduated from there in May-nursing but was actively involved with the music program so we are very familiar with the programs. In her heart of hearts she is a music major. Passed her nursing boards on the first try (as did all of her class)!

Good luck to you!
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My D(16) just started her senior year today I can't believe how fast the years have flown by. Asked about 1yrs ago she would have said Ivies and Duke were at the top of her list. Now after visiting plenty of Colleges her list has changed.

U of Alabama, Honors College~ already applied, guaranteed merit aid, and awesome dorms. This is her first choice and I won't be surprised when the acceptance comes, in a few weeks, that she says I am done.

U of Miami~ Common App in progress

Rollins College~ She loved the the campus

College of Charleston~ Needs to visit

UNCW~ attended Summer camp here for yrs

Florida State~ In state

Texas A&M Galveston~ App almost finished

D has the stats for a much higher caliber U but this it what makes her happy. Frankly I worry about the pressure she puts on herself let alone be at an academic pressure cooker U. Her major is Marine Bio/ ? minor along with a pre-law track, she knows either grad school or law school is in her future and wants to attend Duke then.
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As an Atlantan, I can tell you that GT is a great academic institution. However, it has had serious student safety issues in the last 5 years or so. If your ds is 6'5" and 250 lbs, he'll probably be safe. If he's any smaller, then he will need to work on his self-defense skills. I hope GT will take action on the situation.
I was going to post essentially the same thing. The school is, obviously, a very good school. However, the safety issues would have me greatly concerned.
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As an Atlantan, I can tell you that GT is a great academic institution. However, it has had serious student safety issues in the last 5 years or so. If your ds is 6'5" and 250 lbs, he'll probably be safe. If he's any smaller, then he will need to work on his self-defense skills. I hope GT will take action on the situation.
I know that when my son went to the VTech engineering open house, there was a guy there speaking who was from Georgia and was going to go to Georgia Tech. He ended up choosing VT for the safety issues and love of the campus. I've not seen Georgia Tech myself so I can't personally do a comparison but I'd love to know what you think about each one after you do the VT visit.
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