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Old 04-25-2012, 04:02 PM   #16
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Ok, silliness aside, I think it will be their intention to extend this to DVC members. However, I won't hold my breath that the interfaces will work correctly with our reservation numbers. (Anyone tried to book an ADR online at the 180+10 point using a DVC reservation number recently?)
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:14 PM   #17
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The reason the GFV construction footprint is so small is because they no longer need to put any bathrooms in the villas.

As an aside, DME buses will be scheduled to leave for the airport 4 hours prior to flight departure in the future to allow Disney resort guests a full extra hour to use the airport's public restrooms.


That's corporate brilliance! Eliminate expensive rooms dedicated to waste. That will definitely improve profit!
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:29 PM   #18
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Not only rides, but the idea seems to be to add FP to parades and firework viewing areas, too. The NexGen bracelets are reported to replace the KTTW cards, too, thus act as room keys, tickets, soft drink dispensers (refillable mugs), and other things.

As such, we will get them, at least for the room access part. Also, APs could possibly be stored on them, so you wouldn't want to loose them. These are the more immediate uses for the DVC community.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:20 PM   #19
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Oh no! I just heard about this! And just purchased DVC (2 days ago) Honestly if I'd heard of this before I wouldn't have bought DVC - the thought of this is enough to say I wouldn't bother coming back to Disney. I HATE planning. I hate schedules while on vacation. I make ADRs out of necessity, but also know exactly which ones I can cancel last minute and I only ever get FPs for the rides I know my littles will really want to ride multiple times.

If they roll this out the way it sounds, then there'll either be massive stand-by lines, or so much planning that the entire vacation will suck (IMO).

I know it's a ways away, but for me a good portion of the Disney Magic is how the day unexpectedly unfolds. Those random moments that happen when you're not planning. Especially with 3 kiddos under 5, we can't say 'we're doing that later' we say, 'sure we'll stop and play in the boneyard, again.' We say, 'certainly we'll be happy to ride space ranger spin (for the 20th time today) instead of making our pooh bear FP time.' That'd change drastically if everything had to be planned in advance.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:18 AM   #20
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Nadira - take heart, you're not alone with the many minions of WDW fans (like myself) that feel like a trip to Disney has turned into an exercise in your ability to plan a vacation vs. enjoy one... The spontaneity was sucked out of a WDW vacation a long time ago. At this point, I think we just have to see how the nextgen system unfolds. If you're forced to plan FPs 2-3 months ahead of time that might be difficult, but 2-weeks to 10 days ahead of time may be more manageable and really enhance your time there and on-site.

Buying DVC essentially forced you into planning your vacations anyway - where do you want to stay - home resort or someplace else? When, how many points will it be, what type of unit, location, do I bank / borrow points, etc.? Do I get an AP with the discount because I'll be back in a years time, etc....

I just think planning is part of the deal when vacationing at WDW.

But, I do sympathize with you, and you shouldn't let this nextgen thing make you think you made a bad decision with DVC.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:04 AM   #21
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Oh the planning involved with DVC vs paying OoP isn't really going to change. In fact DVC takes away so many choices that the planning time for the next 4 vacations took me all of an hour vs the weeks to month to choose 1 resort for ONE vacation. lol Plus instead of wondering each year if we're going at all, now we know. :good vibes

In the past we've never had park hoppers b/c it wasn't worth it to us, so I'd plan which park for which day based on where we wanted to eat - but once in the parks we only ever get a FP once or twice. The experience is so much more important to us than rides.

Of course my OLDest is only 5 right now and was only tall enough for the 40in rides last trip so I'm sure things will change, but even as a kid going to WDW my sister and I would happily wait in the 2 hour space mountain line three or four times a day. Just because that was the ride we liked best. We also waited in the sky tram line just to cross the world because it was there. It was never strategic planning, we may not have ridden the rides to their maximum potential, but we had fun. I want that for my girls. When they see Dumbo and want to ride, we say yes - even if the line is an hour and in the sun (happy that'll change). PLanning FPs even a day in advance will take away the opportunity for my little girls to make those choices to stop and watch the ducks crossing the road, to stop and eat a MIckey bar NOW because they saw one. INstead we'll have to check our watch (I don't even OWN a watch). I'll have to buy a watch just to go to WDW!!


I'm sure the bigwigs are aware of the opinions and will make it so my worst nightmare doesn't come to pass, but I have to say I don't like the sounds of this at all.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:34 PM   #22
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nadira - If you just bought 2 days ago, I believe you have 10 days to cancel the contract.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:03 PM   #23
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Thanks for letting me know. I'll talk to DH about it. Though he says I always over react, so I'm sure he'll want to go ahead now that we've finally decided to purchase.

After all Since I was 5 years old there are only 6 years that I haven't been to the world. And each time one of those years comes up I end up depressed So this year, since we can't go, we decided we'd purchase. Of course, if we did cancel our contract, then we could afford to go this year after all...But then that would mean the 3, yep three, trips we plan next year would become one.

Oh I am so torn now. But this isn't Eisner so the point now is to make guests happy and increase spending. Return DIsney to it's once glorious status. Iger won't mess things up now. Will he? In the past 5 years I've noticed the deals and specials becoming fewer and smaller. And prices going up. And since we travel in Sept predominantly maybe we won't notice that big of a difference?
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:27 PM   #24
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As part of the NextGen implementation, and in conjunction with the Magic of Disney, guests will no longer need to use the restrooms for the duration of their trip.

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As part of the NextGen implementation, and in conjunction with the Magic of Disney, guests will no longer need to use the restrooms for the duration of their trip.

No way this is true.

More likely you will have to pay each time you want to use the restroom. This way you still have access to the facilities (The Mouse does like his parks clean after-all), but this will ensure you only use them when you REALLY need to go. No more unnecessary trips to the restrooms.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:15 PM   #26
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Thanks for letting me know. I'll talk to DH about it. Though he says I always over react, so I'm sure he'll want to go ahead now that we've finally decided to purchase.

After all Since I was 5 years old there are only 6 years that I haven't been to the world. And each time one of those years comes up I end up depressed So this year, since we can't go, we decided we'd purchase. Of course, if we did cancel our contract, then we could afford to go this year after all...But then that would mean the 3, yep three, trips we plan next year would become one.

Oh I am so torn now. But this isn't Eisner so the point now is to make guests happy and increase spending. Return DIsney to it's once glorious status. Iger won't mess things up now. Will he? In the past 5 years I've noticed the deals and specials becoming fewer and smaller. And prices going up. And since we travel in Sept predominantly maybe we won't notice that big of a difference?
I don't think you should base your decision about a very large DVC purchase on a possible program that hasn't been announced and any "details" that people have thrown around message boards are just pure speculation.

Either you want DVC for what it is, or you don't (plain and simple).
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As part of the NextGen implementation, and in conjunction with the Magic of Disney, guests will no longer need to use the restrooms for the duration of their trip.
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Ok, silliness aside, I think it will be their intention to extend this to DVC members. However, I won't hold my breath that the interfaces will work correctly with our reservation numbers. (Anyone tried to book an ADR online at the 180+10 point using a DVC reservation number recently?)
as well as many who booked thru CRO too issue still not fixed

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Not only rides, but the idea seems to be to add FP to parades and firework viewing areas, too. The NexGen bracelets are reported to replace the KTTW cards, too, thus act as room keys, tickets, soft drink dispensers (refillable mugs), and other things.

As such, we will get them, at least for the room access part. Also, APs could possibly be stored on them, so you wouldn't want to loose them. These are the more immediate uses for the DVC community.
I get my dogs implanted with a tracking chip jik they go missing, as long as Disney doesn't decide to include this in the program i'm good with it.

Disney patented versions of the advance FP over the years, mostly tied into level of resort stay. jmho but I expect to see it included in final version down the road and hope they remember the loyal DVCers
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As part of the NextGen implementation, and in conjunction with the Magic of Disney, guests will no longer need to use the restrooms for the duration of their trip.
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Based on the educated rumors going around about what NextGen will offer, so far it seems to be a combination of the RFID tags which will replace KTTW cards, coupled with advance online planning of park itineraries and FP opportunities for those who wish to partake of those planning features.

I doubt Disney's motives behind NextGen are as nefarious as you're implying. Why on earth would Disney want to "track" you, other than to add your vacation habits to a huge number of other data collected from the countless other guests in order to help determine staffing, hours, etc., which will ultimately make for more pleasant vacation experiences for their guests? Can't they essentially already "track" you now as you use your KTTW card to access your room and enter parks?
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Even without RFID, they could already track your movements if they were so inclined. If you put park tickets and credit card on your Key to the World card, they can track you all over property. They know when you enter your hotel room. They know when you enter a park. They know when you get Fastpasses. They know when and where you eat lunch. They know what souvenirs you purchase.

Even without that KTTW integration there are other paths. If a credit card is used to make the reservation or simply attached to the room charge account, it could be linked back to all purchases. All scheduled meals can be tracked via ADRs. Passholder information could go back years.

Not saying Disney does any of this...just that the means already exist even without RFID.

As for RFID, potential applications are endless. Could be something as simple as opening the hotel room door (which they are already doing on DCL) or paying for a churro. RFID could replace PhotoPass, including on-ride photos taken at multiple points during attractions and seamlessly linked to the rider's account.

The RFID can store basic information regarding the guest such as a first name and some of the guest's park touring history. We've seen some demos of the NextGen talking Mickey Mouse character which can address guests by name and even carry out a conversation. Imagine Mickey Mouse walking up to a small child and actually saying "Hi, Billy! I hear you rode Test Track yesterday. Was it fun?"

Attraction-specific applications are also limitless. There has been talk of Small World receiving an upgrade where guests can design their own electronic "dolls" and see them singing and dancing on a display--along with the "dolls" created by other guests in the same boat--during the ride finale. If you think about attractions with some current email or card data storage system (on board videos from Spaceship Earth, coasters from Sum of All Thrills, etc)--those could be linked to the RFID chip without any other guest interaction.

If Disney is able to maximize the potential of this technology, it will give them a product unlike anything else in the industry.
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