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Old 04-18-2012, 10:49 AM   #31
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stating a fact about how i feel at the park is not quoting anyone. consittering i use gac every weekend along with my fiancee that uses it for another reason I have had almost 20 years of a gac every weekend i think i know how it works and yes i have been to walt disney world several times also. I feel like u r attacking me for no reason.
Respectfully, you know how your GAC works and how your fiancé's GAC works. That's it. You don't know how the OP's GAC will work (if he gets one - because, again, Walt Disney World's recommendation to guests with stamina issues is to use a wheelchair or ECV) even though you both have pacemakers because you are two different people with different needs.

I have to admit, I'm curious about some things you said earlier.
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It seems like a lot of people think you are walking though the park like a normal person
First, why do you think a person with a pacemaker isn't a 'normal' person? And you're aware this is the disABILITIES forum, right? So even the the responders don't have pacemakers, we or family members have disabilities.

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With heart dissease I sit on a bench in the shade go on a ride most of the time sit while in the line.
Where do you sit while in lines? Do you have a mobility assistance device, and if not, mightn't one help?
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Old 04-18-2012, 07:47 PM   #32
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I have to admit, I'm curious about some things you said earlier.
First, why do you think a person with a pacemaker isn't a 'normal' person? ?
Way--all (well) ... We could redefine "normal" to refer to all those guests who don't need any special treatment (such as a GAC) to get around the parks and enjoy things. With a fairly broad definition of normal we might have canopies over all the queues to shield persons from the sun, cool air blown at everyone during hot weather (or all the queues indoors), a continuous bench following every twist and turn in the queue so some people could sit down and slide along. All the ride vehicles would be designed so ECV's could be rolled aboard with no CM intervention (and also fold down seats so those who did not bring an ECV or wheelchair would not have to stand). The end result of this is that the rides could handle far fewer guests over the course of a day. That is, many more guests won't be able to ride things of their choice at all that day.

Instead we have a somewhat narrower definition of normal and we have what we see at Disney today.

By the way, as far as shortening the walking distances, the 1963-64 New York Worlds Fair had chauffeured ECV's (they were gasoline powered) that you could hail like taxis to take you from (for example) It's a Small World to Carousel of Progress if you were unable or unwilling to walk.
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So by the arguements presents through this thread...I should feel like people don't "get me" because they don't have my exact fainting issues and knee problems, therefore cannot give me accurate advice regarding them?

The OP didn't ask a "needs specific" question. Even if they did, it needs to be understood that lots of disablities/issues/quirks will fall under that "need" umbrella. There's a ton of reasons that someone might need to stay out of the sun, or not use stairs, or have a walkway slowed down. The disablity/issue/quirk is less important than the need.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:24 AM   #34
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Respectfully, you know how your GAC works and how your fiancé's GAC works. That's it. You don't know how the OP's GAC will work (if he gets one - because, again, Walt Disney World's recommendation to guests with stamina issues is to use a wheelchair or ECV) even though you both have pacemakers because you are two different people with different needs.

I have to admit, I'm curious about some things you said earlier.
First, why do you think a person with a pacemaker isn't a 'normal' person? And you're aware this is the disABILITIES forum, right? So even the the responders don't have pacemakers, we or family members have disabilities.

Where do you sit while in lines? Do you have a mobility assistance device, and if not, mightn't one help?
Where in this thread does it state I have a pace maker which I don't. I let the op know what I get doesn't mean they will get it too. I also mention they can get a stair stamp if that would help them. Normal ment its not easy like most getting from point a to point b I agree how it's a dissabillity board everyone has that problem maybe shouldn't of used thoughs words. I sit down in almost every que on the ground do a wheel chair wouldn't help because that won't make my heart stronger like walking will. Eeven though I sit alot I do alot of walking at the park just in short durations helps my heart.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:38 AM   #35
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My mistake, then. I misread your post. I went back and read it again
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I have a premium anual pass. I go almost every weekend. I have had open heart surgery twice and a stint once. They will give u a stamp with a wheel chair on it. Pretty much u get all of the perks of being in a wheel chair with out actually having one.
WDW's general response to guests with stamina issues is to use a mobility assistance device.
There are no perks to being in a wheelchair. Often, the wait is longer.
Having a wheelchair doesn't mean you have to sit in it every moment. It could be used as a walker, and as a seat only when necessary. With most lines constantly moving, this (or a walker with seat) seems more sensible than sitting on the floor and getting up every couple of minutes, only to walk a few feet and sit on the floor again.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:42 AM   #36
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Where in this thread does it state I have a pace maker which I don't. I let the op know what I get doesn't mean they will get it too. I also mention they can get a stair stamp if that would help them. Normal ment its not easy like most getting from point a to point b I agree how it's a dissabillity board everyone has that problem maybe shouldn't of used thoughs words. I sit down in almost every que on the ground do a wheel chair wouldn't help because that won't make my heart stronger like walking will. Eeven though I sit alot I do alot of walking at the park just in short durations helps my heart.

In general;

- a wheelchair does not mean one only can use them while sitting in it 24/7. They can very well be used to walk behind and not use until somebody needs to sit down and/or break for whatever reason.
- just like how one can use said wheelchair, there are many other aids available that offer the same benefit of combined walking and resting/sitting where need be and/or better.




For the rest? Think it's best for the board and myself to not even get into that subject anymore. Not worth it.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:47 AM   #37
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There are no perks to being in a wheelchair.
Let's not tell lies on here. There are perks. Always having room to put stuff and not lug around bags. To-tal-ly worth getting the chair. The perk of having it match your outfit. Perk of not needing to bother with that oh so tiring activity called walking. The perk of checking out guys butts in plain sight. The perk of so many people watching at you, talking about you and always have an opinion about you so basically being Famous if not a VIP. And the list goes on and on.

Off course none of those are WDW-offered, but who's nitpicking?



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Old 04-19-2012, 08:15 AM   #38
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I have a premium anual pass. I go almost every weekend. I have had open heart surgery twice and a stint once. They will give u a stamp with a wheel chair on it. Pretty much u get all of the perks of being in a wheel chair with out actually having one. At disneyland alot of ride are shorter waits but some are longer but have an alternative wait area if you want. At DCA how it is all wheel chair assesible the card doesn't help much there BUT U CAN MENSION IF STAIRS ARE A PROBLEM THEY WILL GIVE U A STAMP THAT WILL HELP IF THE RIDE HAS STAIRS. They will let u ride all the rides. It will not have what ur exact problem is on the card. I ride every ride every weekend noone has ever told me I couldn't ride a certain ride because I have a GAC.
I am quoting you because you have posted that you feel attacked. I do not feel anyone has attacked you, but want to try to explain why people have posted what they have ( not trying to read their minds, but reading what they wrote).

If I had a problem similar to the original poster and read this, my thought would be, "OK. If I get a GAC with those things, I am good. It will take care of my needs. I can even sit in lines. It doesn't help much at DCA, but this poster says he can avoid stairs, so it should be OK."

No one has said the OP should not request a GAC or does not need a GAC.
They have basically written, go to Guest Relations to explain your needs to get a card that best fits the needs.
They have gone on to explain that WDW is more like DCA - most of the lines are wheelchair accessible, so as you wrote yourself "how it is all wheel chair assesible the card doesn't help much there".
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It seems like alot of people think u are walking though the park like a normal person. With heart dissease I sit on a bench in the shade go on a ride most of the time sit while in the line. Get off the ride have to sit some more then walk to the train go around a couple time finnally go on another ride then start the process again with heart problems ur not walking around the park going on ride after ride. I do agree with the op people can be so rude.
In most of the posts before this one, people have assumed that anyone who is worried about lines WILL have problems walking from place to place. So, they are not assuming anyone is walking around like a 'normal' person. They are assuming that the needs someone has in lines continue to be a problem outside of lines.

They are basically saying -"a GAC may help you in attractions, but don't forget about getting around between attractions. GACs won't help outside of lines."
So, there were a lot of mentions about how big the parks are, how much walking needs to be done just to get from place to place, how long some of the ride queues are and that a GAC won't change the distance walked, even if the wait is short. I didnt go back to review everything, but believe some people also mentioned that most queues don't have a place to sit while waiting unless the guest has a mobility device they can sit on while in line.

People have commented that WDW suggests that people who are worried about stamina in lines should consider a wheelchair or ECV because the distance between things is greater than the distance in lines.
This is a fact - stated on WDW's website and on their park maps.
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stating a fact about how i feel at the park is not quoting anyone. consittering i use gac every weekend along with my fiancee that uses it for another reason I have had almost 20 years of a gac every weekend i think i know how it works and yes i have been to walt disney world several times also. I feel like u r attacking me for no reason.
People have posted that WDW is not like DL because WDW has mostly accessible lines. Suggesting that the OP talk about their needs to Guest Relations instead of just saying "I need this stamp" is not attacking.

I am making an assumption that someone who visits the DL parks every weekend is probably not getting a new GAC every weekend and probably doesn't have to answer a lot of questions when they get a new one.
I know that at WDW, they will give out GACs for longer duration of time (like valid for 3 months) to guests with annual passes who visit frequently. If someone already has a GAC and is just renewing it, the CM usually will not ask a lot of questions. They ask a few basic things and assume that the old GAC met the needs, so the same thing should be fine.

I know also that some people in the early days of this board read about a certain stamp on their GAC, asked for that stamp and then came back and posted about the difficulties they still had. As they posted, it became clear that they would have benefitted from other assistance, but they hadn't thought about those tags since they thought they knew what they needed and asked for that.
That's one of the reasons why we request that people not post what stamps they got - people tend to think "oh, I need that stamp," but if they explained their needs to the CM at Guest Relations, something else would be suggested.

Also, there are many people who really would benefit from using a wheelchair or ECV, which is why people recommend them. People even pointed out that using one does not mean the CMs will question whether a guest using one should be riding things with warnings. WDW puts the warnings out the and it is up to the guest ( with guidance from their doctor) to decide if the warning means they should ride or not.

Just because you have a mobility device doesn't mean it has to be used all the time. Some people use ECVs and wheelchairs to get from place to place and then walk in lines. Some who need to walk, but need to sit occasionally have gotten the recommendation to consider a rollator (walker with a seat). Taking something to sit on is the only way to guarantee a seat while waiting.
Those things are ways to conserve energy so the guest can do more in the park.

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Where in this thread does it state I have a pace maker which I don't. I let the op know what I get doesn't mean they will get it too. I also mention they can get a stair stamp if that would help them. Normal ment its not easy like most getting from point a to point b I agree how it's a dissabillity board everyone has that problem maybe shouldn't of used thoughs words. I sit down in almost every que on the ground do a wheel chair wouldn't help because that won't make my heart stronger like walking will. Eeven though I sit alot I do alot of walking at the park just in short durations helps my heart.
You mentioned several times that you sit in line - most people would not assume that meant sitting on the ground. Most people would assume it means having a place to sit WITHOUT sitting on the ground.

I have seen CMs at WDW tell people they need to stand up when they have been sitting on the fround or on handrails. This has included long lines that a moving slowly, like Soarin' and attractions where people are standing in a preshow or gathering place, like the Muppet Show, Laugh Floor or Ellen's Energy Adventure.
CMs said that sitting on the ground was considered a tripping hazard for othe guests. So, even though you have been doing it successfully, I would not count on being able to do it in all cases. In addition, many people would have a difficult time getting up and down from the ground.
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Just wanted to say sorry... I guess people didn't understand me completly and I didn't understand them.
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My mistake, then. I misread your post. I went back and read it again

WDW's general response to guests with stamina issues is to use a mobility assistance device.
There are no perks to being in a wheelchair. Often, the wait is longer.
Having a wheelchair doesn't mean you have to sit in it every moment. It could be used as a walker, and as a seat only when necessary. With most lines constantly moving, this (or a walker with seat) seems more sensible than sitting on the floor and getting up every couple of minutes, only to walk a few feet and sit on the floor again.
sorry I thought u were attacking i guess u weren't. have a magical night or day
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sorry I thought u were attacking i guess u weren't. have a magical night or day
It's generally okay to assume that no one on this board is trying to attack anyone. We mostly have really good intentions and just want people to be armed with the most useful information so they're better equipped to deal with their needs while at Disney. This isn't to say that there's never disputes over whose information is better, but I think this is one case where good intentions can be assumed.
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Good intentions CAN be assumed on this board. That's why we read it, that's why we post on it, and that's why we ask questions of others.

When I ask a question on this thread - or any other on the DIS boards - I get answers from people who CARE!

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Last October my dd27 got her first GAC after a CM asked her why she was leaving a line. We use FP when we can to minimize the standing in lines. The sign said 10 minutes so we thought she would be fine - once we got into the line and saw that it would be much longer. She told the CM why we were leaving and that we would get a FP and she was told to go to Guest Services and to ask for a GAC. Our trip was so much better because we didn't have to worry about her passing out all the time. She can walk all day - but she cant stand still for more than a few minutes without her blood pressure and heart rate dropping - which will be followed by her dropping as well. An ECV would be the obvious answer for her but she refuses to use one until she has to.

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