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Old 10-21-2011, 09:28 AM   #316
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Had a nice long reply typed a couple of days ago, and our computers at work froze... let's try again!

Joan - The Fall Festival 10K is a new race, sort of. Until last year there had always been The Old Reliable Run, which included a 5K and 10K. I ran it back in 2006, I think? This year it's been taken over by new management - by two different races. One is the City of Oaks Marathon, which is running a 10K option in conjunction with the full and half on Nov 6th, and claiming that it's the Old Reliable. The other is the Fall Festival, managed by NC Races, who do a lot of smaller races as well as half marathon series. Both claim to have the original Old Reliable. The Fall Festival course is closer to the original downtown course. NC Races do well with smaller races, but have had many hiccups when they attempt half marathons. If your schedule permits, your son may want to consider the 10K with the City of Oaks. I have lots of confidence in the race director for that one! (That was probably much more of an answer than you wanted!)

Amy - Great to "see" you! Looks like you had a fun time at Wine & Dine.

Jeremy - I'd love to have the Coast to Coast medal, but have always been afraid of both the temperature and the course at DL. Now I'm sure!

Debra - We've run so many times this season in the rain that it's beginning to seem like the norm. And some of them have been those "can't get any wetter" ones. Where people driving by have to wonder. I know I would, if I weren't the crazy one out in it!

Pensgirl - DH ran a half in 1:50 doing run/walk. It's definitely possible. He's been training to BQ at MCM, and he needs a 3:30. His original plan was to do intervals, but I think he's decided to run straight through.

I ran the Ramblin' Rose Half last weekend with a bunch of women from my Galloway group. It's the first time I've actually done an entire race with a group, and we had a blast. None of us knew beforehand that the entire course was hills - they never posted an elevation chart - and boy, were we surprised! We expected some, since we know the city, but it was unbelievable. We'd agreed ahead of time to do it as a training run, so we had no real time goal, but we all hoped to come in around 2:45. I finished in 2:47:03, and was thrilled considering how much we slowed down the last couple of miles.

I've been nursing an injured knee ever since my 26 mile run, and I'm getting more than a little anxious about MCM next weekend. I have an appointment with my massage therapist tomorrow, and hope that she can loosen something and offer some relief. Last weekend's hills didn't help, and I probably shouldn't have run, but I had fun, and it's in the past!

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Old 10-21-2011, 10:36 AM   #317
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Jackie Hope your knee behaves itself. Sending your way.

Debra Glad you had am awesome run. Those are truly inspiring and just feel so darn good.

So Mel and I are signed up to do the marathon relay and my training is progressing, albeit inconsistently. My body doesn't seem to want to get with the program and pace that I think I should be running. But there are still 11 weeks til race day. It's not a question of finishing the race--I'm sure I can. It's just that it's hard not to PR every race, and this one for sure will be way off. So you'd think I would just "go for the fun of it". Sadly, I haven;t figured that out yet.

Anyway, off to MA for next 2 weeks to see family and help daughter settle in to Boston (she's been in Germany since June) prior to starting her first job. Looking forward to fried clams.

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Old 10-21-2011, 11:23 AM   #318
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Jackie- Don't make a final decision on DL based solely on what I said. Although there were problems I had with the race. I made mistakes that made those mistakes worse. The biggest one being starting too far forward. In my first 2 big half marathons, I started near the back. Starting in the back would have been the wrong place and starting where I did would have been wrong. By starting too far forward, I went out too fast. It wasn't an extreme amount but it was enough. My first 5K was my fastest 5K. There is definately a weather risk in the DL half. The question comes down to what way the wind blows. The day of the half was a transition day. The weather the week before the weather would have been ideal. The week after when I was there it was hovering near 100. Know what I know now, I would have trained and done the race differently, but I still would have done the race.

Maura - Hope you can get "in the groove" with your training.

Pensgirl - There are some fast Galloway runners. Jeff Publishes a book on Boston Qualifying using his method.

My training has been going in the other direction. I've been doing 2 days running without walk breaks and a longer day doing run/walk. Monday I ran 3.1 miles plus a half mile warmup and cool down. Yesterday, I ran 2 on the treadmill. I'm planning on doing my longer run tomorrow.
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Old 10-22-2011, 07:55 AM   #319
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It's just that it's hard not to PR every race, and this one for sure will be way off. So you'd think I would just "go for the fun of it". Sadly, I haven;t figured that out yet.
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I completely understand that feeling, but having just completed a half where I did just "go for the fun of it," I can promise you that it's really okay! My time last weekend was over 20 minutes off my PR, but I had a blast. I did have to keep talking to myself during the race to remind myself that I didn't have to go for time, and that I was there for the company, but in the end, I was really, really glad I did. And both of us are coming off of injuries, so we have every reason in the world to be okay with a slower time!

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Old 10-22-2011, 07:52 PM   #320
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Debra - http://www.albanymarathon.com/ Snickers's half marathon. It's the weekend after Princess so DW & I won't be doing it, but it looks like fun.

momof3lovebugs, pensgirl10 I know I'm a little late to this conversation, but I'm going to jump in anyway to say that you should seriously consider the Galloway plan. DW and I started with the "You have to run the whole thing to be a runner" mindset. We were also not taking cutback weeks in our training and ended up very overtrained.
We ran a local half together running last labor day at 2:24.
4 weeks later we ran W&D with walk breaks at 2:27. Not really serious, only 1 min walk every mile marker.
By Princess we had bought into Galloway more. 5 min walk 30 sec run and had a 2:12.

In April I did a half using a 4:30 run , 30 sec walk at 1:53.

Next race I think we are going to even shorter run.


Jackie Consider posting your MCM number so we can follow you.

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Old 10-23-2011, 03:16 PM   #321
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Mike - My bib # is 24868. For those of you who're friends with me on FB, my updates will appear automatically. Gotta love technology!

And I'll go ahead and say it publicly: my goal is 5:30, but I'm hoping to do most, if not all, of the race with a friend from my Galloway group, so I'm potentially willing to alter my time depending on how she's doing. I may leave her if I'm feeling strong, or I may choose to stay with her if I feel like company is more important. Last year's MCM was really, really tough for me, and the feeling of being alone on the course was a big part of that. So it's out there. And you can all know whether or not it happens!

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Old 10-25-2011, 08:04 AM   #322
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should i still run?

So, I haven't posted or even been on the board much in the last month because I've been so frustrated. After I ran a half-marathon trail race last month, my feet just wouldn't heal (there was some history of injury before the race). So, the sports med doc finally sent me for a bone scan - a stress fracture in both. So, I'm sidelined for another 3 weeks. The doc didn't rule out me racing in January (I'm registered for the Goofy), but said I should keep cross training and adjust my expectations for the race. I can try running for the first time one day before the deferral deadline - not much to base a decision on. Then I have 8 weeks to build up some mileage and taper off. I really want to do this race mostly because my husband is running the marathon and I want to be there with him. What do you think? Am I crazy? Well, I know I'm crazy about running. But am I foolish? I should have a good cardio and strength base when I start running again. But what is the shortest time any of you had to build up mileage when training for a marathon?
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:41 AM   #323
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Another week, more runs...

Maura Hope your Boston trip/work is going well. Great your daughter has a job. My DD graduated in May and also found a job! I assume your daughter is a hard worker and go getter like mine. Hope you can let your competitive side go and have fun at the marathon relay. Maybe set another goal, like how many photo ops with characters or something like that.

JackieThanks for the race info...not what I wanted to hear. Was hoping you would have great things to say about the Nov. 13 race. It starts at 1pm, better time for my college boy, than 7am., and he has to travel from Buies Creek (south of Raleigh), and the milage fits his training plan. Good luck in your race!

halvnorskHope your foot gets better soon. No words of wisdom from me, but hope you do what's best for your health.

Mike So for that half you did in under 2 hours, great! I'd love to do a sub 2 hour half. You ran for 4:30 min. at what pace and walked for :30 at what pace?

Jeremy You just continue to make great progress. So when are you running the full? You should do one.

If I've forgotten some one, I apologize. It's hard to scroll, down and make sure I give props to all...so to everyone, keep on running/walking it is so good for us.

AFM I had a short long run of 8 miles this week and had a goal of 9:40 miles. Probably not good, but I came in at 9:20 miles and kept telling myself to slow down during the run and felt I could have gone longer when I was done with 8. I'm not a clock watcher when I run as the only number I can read on my device is distance, so I never know how it went till I plug in and see the numbers once home. All my weekly workouts are great. New territory on Monday, 17 miles.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:49 AM   #324
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That said, I'd be freaking.out if I had to run a marathon in 4:30 or be swept!
Ok, NOW I'm getting nervous. I just read that there is some leniency in the second half but you have to finish the first 13.1 in 2:15. It is run through residential neighborhoods with no street lights so you have to be back on the Vegas strip before dark. I just did a half in 2:03 but I really pushed.....if I run like that in the first half, what am I going to have left in the second? I've always been stronger toward the end.

Races begin at 4 and 5:30 which already feels weird but we live on Eastern Standard Time so it will feel like I'm starting at 7 pm.

We should have gone to Disney!

In better news, I went ahead and signed up my high school senior for the half. It was a tough decision because I am meeting up with single friends at least once and having her there will keep us out of the casinos and clubs. I don't actually do any of those things anyway LOL but want to be flexible for my friends. Also, she will be alone after the marathon starts and again after her race ends.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:04 AM   #325
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Ok, NOW I'm getting nervous. I just read that there is some leniency in the second half but you have to finish the first 13.1 in 2:15. It is run through residential neighborhoods with no street lights so you have to be back on the Vegas strip before dark. I just did a half in 2:03 but I really pushed.....if I run like that in the first half, what am I going to have left in the second? I've always been stronger toward the end.
I'm sure you can do it! Think that 2:15 (not that you want to cut it that close on the first half, but just for argument's sake) is almost a minute/mile slower than 2:03. I ran my half last weekend in 2:04, but at around the 5 mile point I was playing a little leapfrog with the 2:10 pacers and I was feeling really comfortable at that point (in fact too comfortable - them catching me was the kick in the pants for me to pick it up and lose them for good!). So 30-45 seconds slower per mile can really ease things up.

I received some advice recently along these lines - in the first half of the race, ask yourself "Am I going slow enough?" and in the second half of the race, ask yourself "Am I going fast enough?" That's complicated a bit when "slow enough" has to be faster than 2:15 - but I would pick a pace just faster than that (say a 2:12 half for a buffer) and try to practice hitting it on a couple of short or medium runs.
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Thanks Sarah, I'm feeling a little calmer now. I posted awhile back that I was thinking about hooking up with a pace group. I decided against it but am now thinking it might be a smart move, at least for the first half.

I have been butting heads with my daughter over her estimated time of finish. I wanted to put 2:00 and she was all offended. LOL
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:17 AM   #327
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I'm new to the Wish Boards and would love to get more involved.

Just a bit about me...I'm hoping to run WDW marathon in January, 2013. I have run 3 half- marathons, including DL in 2009. I'm turning 40 at the end of 2012 and I keep thinking this would be a great accomplishment in honor of my big birthday. I'm a mother of two boys (ages 4 and 6) and work full time so I need to set realistic goals for myself. I haven't run in about a year and just started again a few weeks ago. I'm currently building up a base and I'm hoping to run a half the end of April 2012 and maybe another one in the fall. I'm also thinking of trying out Jeff Galloway's program. Like so many others, my mindset has always been that walking a {half} marathon is a copout. But, after reading so many reviews of his plan, maybe there is just something to it.

Anyway, just wanted to say hi and join your thread.

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Old 10-26-2011, 12:23 PM   #328
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Hi all

Jackie - Good luck on the Marathon.

Cami - Sorry to hear about the stress fractures. I'm not sure if I'd try for the Goofy this year.

Joan - Nice job on the short long run.

Pengirl10 - I agree that sticking around a pace group for the first 13.1 miles to make sure you're not going too fast or too slow sounds like a good idea.

Andrea - In addition to Galloway's plans you may want to look into Bingham/Hadfields "Marathoning for Mortals" plans. Their plans feature shorter long runs and longer midweek runs than Jeff's plans.

Right now, the idea of a full marathon is being tossed around in my head. I'd like to improve my speed at least a little bit more before trying a full. In training for DL, I did a 15 mile training run to test out a longer run. I finished at a decent pace but it just didn't go well for some reason. I know if I would get into Marathon training my paces would get even more relaxed. Galloway recommended a 14:00 mile for half marathon long runs and a 15:00 mile for the marathon so that would change things. Right now, I'm thinking about next fall for my first full marathon. At one time I had thought about 2013 WDW, but I'm not sure the budget is going to allow that

Saturday I did 6 miles 5 of which was run 2/walk 1. That's a more aggressive ratio than I normally do for a longer run but it went fairly well. That's roughly been my plan so far is after a half marathon, cut back on the overall mileage but increase the portion of it running. Monday and Wednesday I went out and run 3 miles again some walking added to the beginning and end.
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I know every person is different, but I had a question for the experienced run/walk crew out there. I've toyed with the run/walk run on the treadmill some for really long runs, but this weekend I'm hitting the road. The longest continuous run I've ever done was 8.5 miles. I've done 11+ miles running 5 and walking 1 (averaging about 10mm). I'd like to keep my times around that 10mm mark.

Is it too much to expect to do 10-12 miles this weekend at that pace during my first attempt on the road. I'd really like to get that much mileage in (if possible). Should I possibly increase my walking time to accomodate or should I just try it and see how I do?

I'm thinking of not hurting myself as much as I'm thinking of distance.
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I know every person is different, but I had a question for the experienced run/walk crew out there. I've toyed with the run/walk run on the treadmill some for really long runs, but this weekend I'm hitting the road. The longest continuous run I've ever done was 8.5 miles. I've done 11+ miles running 5 and walking 1 (averaging about 10mm). I'd like to keep my times around that 10mm mark.

Is it too much to expect to do 10-12 miles this weekend at that pace during my first attempt on the road. I'd really like to get that much mileage in (if possible). Should I possibly increase my walking time to accomodate or should I just try it and see how I do?

I'm thinking of not hurting myself as much as I'm thinking of distance.
If you really want the distance, I'd go out and try to stick with same intervals you've been doing, but not worry so much about the pace. I suspect you may find it's about the same, maybe even a little faster. Some people are faster on the TM, some are faster on the road. Where I definitely felt the difference (especially at higher mileages) was in the rest of my body the next day. There's a significant difference in the overall pounding that your body takes between the TM and the road, which is why it's good to get in at least a few longer distances on the road.

Anyway, the shorter answer is just try it. Be prepared to increase the walk intervals if you feel you need to, but don't stress too much either way! And have fun!

Cami - As much as I want to say go ahead and do Goofy, 8 weeks is really pushing it. I just looked at my log for 2010 - I had a hip injury and had to take 2 months off during the summer. I did my first run of 4 miles on August 24, and I ran a marathon on October 31. My longest run was 17.5 miles, but I increased the mileage so quickly to get up to speed that I ended up with really severe plantar fasciitis that I've only recently overcome. The half might be doable for you, but both? That scares me!

Joan - Sorry. Wish I could have offered more positive input on the race, but since it's their first time running this particular race... I'm sure it will be fine, and I certainly understand about the 1:00 start being a better fit! I just have to help promote the City of Oaks, since my Galloway director is also the race director! I'm now a course monitor - 7 hour shift. Ugh.

Andrea - You are definitely in the right place. There's lots of motivation and many, many answers. (Maybe more than you actually want!) Your goal is definitely attainable. And as a 5-year member of a Galloway program, I'm a firm believer in the program. You can walk as much or as little as you like, but the walk breaks give you a chance to recover and decrease your chance of injury. (Yeah, I know, I could like an ad!)

Jeremy - I'd keep tossing that marathon idea around. But you don't have to rush! Disney's a great one, but there are plenty of others that are almost as much fun. I haven't done the Flying Pig yet, but I hear really good things!

We leave Friday morning for DC. It's very, very real now.

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