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Old 09-07-2010, 12:56 PM   #91
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OMG! I can't believe you saw ME!

The worst thing I have ever had happen involving my kids was at Mickey's PHilharmagic and my aunt was hold DD(8months old) and the lady behind her said "I could see if she wasn't holding that f' ing baby" though she said the whole word. I grabbed the baby from my aunt and held her in my lap. When it was over I confronted her and told her I would appreciate it if she talk about my child that way. She acted all innocent and said "why what did I say" so I repeated it and her adult daughter I thought was going to melt into the floor. The mother tried to say she didn't say it but the daughter told her she should apologize.

Okay so that was the worst thing anyone has ever "complained" about my kids. And really it was the complainer who was misbehaving.

Tantrums result in leaving if a quick "peace time" doesn't work. It sucks for everyone but one parent and child or all of us leave and go back to the hotel for a nap.
No only not talk about your child like that...How about not talk like that where kids may hear you????!!!!! Wow. People are crazy!
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I didn't read through ALL the pages BUT most of what i did read was people are saying kids had meltdowns because they were tired or hungry or both. I don't have kids so how do you prevent this? I feel sorry for kids like 3-6 in a stroller at the Magic Kingdom at Midnight, having a meltdown or fast asleep. Shouldn't they be in bed? I am asking because we are considering taking my Dp Nephews (twins) 7 and niece 4 next year. I know they would like fireworks BUT I don't see that on our trip since 9:00 is past bedtime. Do you throw schedules out for Disney or do yu stick to them and do what you can?
first, i agree with the PP who suggested asking their parents' opinions. but i will share my experience.

when we go during the cooler season, my children (currently 5 and 8) can handle longer days. if it is a day that we know we'll be in the park late (say, for a party), we will take a break during the day. otherwise, they generally do fine going until 10 pm or so. we don't get up for rope-drop when we go during the cooler months, just because the parks tend to be less crowded.

on our june trip, it was hot and crowded. so, we were making rope drop most mornings. however, we took a break every day (except our epcot day--my kids made it all day without any problems by visiting lots of air-conditioned shops, staying hydrated and taking breaks in the park). they didn't nap every single day, but we spent time just unwinding in the resort room. on our HS day, we left early, hit DTD and then called it an (early) night. we kind of played it by ear to ensure that they were okay.

you just have to be willing to go with the flow. mine do well with getting a little bit less sleep on vacation, as long as i don't overdo it every day. if i made them go from open to close during the heat, without any mid-day break, they would've been grumpy and miserable. frankly, i would've been pretty miserable myself.
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Old 09-07-2010, 01:04 PM   #93
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I have to say (as others have) that DH has far more meltdowns than the kids. Sadly, I can't force him to go to the hotel room for a nap. The kids have always been pretty good about things. I think it helped that we rented strollers until the youngest was 7. We didn't have to carry anything, he didn't have to walk, and we carried plenty of bottled water.
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We have the same rules at WDW as we do at home and make sure to remind the children of that upon arrival. Just b/c we are on vacation does not mean it is freebie week on discipline and they can run buck wild. If they are doing anything they shouldn't be like swinging the chains around or climbing on the bars in a que the first words out of my mouth are do you think that would be a good idea to do that and would you do it if we are at home? If either answer is no then they know to stop.

Our kids are definately not perfect and have acted out at Disney before I can't think of any particular incident that anyone commented on to us. Our biggest problems come at lunch/dinner time with complaints about food and not wanting to eat this or that, table manners, being pigs at the table, etc and I am just positive that my DD8 turning around and pointing to a young couple kissing at Le Cellier and exclaining "EWWWWWWWWW" loudly was not welcomed and got some comments from nearby tables, but none directly to us.
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They are intentionally swinging the chain. If it hits someone it is the parent of the child's fault for letting them do it. It is not about what they think swinging the chain is; it is about what swinging the chain can do.

So let me ask you this. If a 4 year old thinks it is fun to walk up to people and spit on them because he is bored, is that acceptable? According to you he is not thinking about hitting someone he is just amusing himself because he is bored.

This type of action is beyond the "typical meltdown" type stuff.

No you understood me incorrectly. And I said I would stop the child if they were doing it. And spitting is a whole different story. All I'm saying is my 2yr old doesn't comprehend that swinging that rope might hit someone. I by no means think they should be allowed to do it.
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Just because someone does not have children of thier own does not mean that they have no experience with children.
i'm talking about people who have NO experience with children. those are the ones who seem to have the least understanding/tolerance and most knowledge. that's all.

i was there once too. i was that non-child person who HAD a lot of experience with children. i was the one who said, "my kids will never..." well. i had kids. and they aren't perfect. neither am i. but i do my best. and they are good kids, but they are not perfect. they have their moments. they've never really been prone to tantrums, thankfully. but they have done some whining.
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i'm talking about people who have NO experience with children. those are the ones who seem to have the least understanding/tolerance and most knowledge. that's all.

i was there once too. i was that non-child person who HAD a lot of experience with children. i was the one who said, "my kids will never..." well. i had kids. and they aren't perfect. neither am i. but i do my best. and they are good kids, but they are not perfect. they have their moments. they've never really been prone to tantrums, thankfully. but they have done some whining.
Very true. And no matter how much experience you have, being the mom is a whole different ball game. I too was a "my kids will never..." and I have a friend that is a Kindergarten teacher that is still a "my kids will never....". I just smile and nod because until you ARE the mom, you have no way of knowing what your kids will do.

I have 3 fabulous, fairly well behaved daughters that are in no way, shape, or form perfect. And now I have a "boy's boy" that has thrown the old ways of doing things out the window. I feel like I'm starting all over with him. He is a good boy and very sweet, but he is ALL BOY and a drastic change from my girls. The point being, unless you are in a particular situation, you really don't know what you would do.
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DD has only been once so far. She did have a couple "moments" last year, but nothing major. (Mostly just a few whining sessions, which we were able to curtail.)

The worst was in Epcot when she had a Princess costume on for lunch with the Princesses in Norway. It was about 10:30 in the morning, we'd just gotten to the park, and were headed to Soarin'. She started melting down--the costume was itchy, it was bothering her, she was too hot, it was rubbing, etc.

This was, of course, AFTER getting ready in the morning at the hotel, when I had tried to convince her to wear normal clothes to the park and take along the costume, but she refused. (In hindsight I should have brought along normal clothes anyway, but well, I didn't.)

So anyway. I am a parent who tends to believe in kids making their own decisions (within reason) and reaping the consequences of those decisions (again within reason). So she had made a decision to wear this dress, and the consequence was that she was now uncomfortable. No, I was NOT going to leave the park and punish all of us because of that. I was NOT going to remove her back to the room just so some people would not have to listen to her tantrum.

I did wait until she had pulled herself together enough BEFORE entering the Soarin' queue, so that all those people in the queue wouldn't be stuck with a trantrum-ing 5-year-old in very close proximity. However we did let her play it out.

For the people who get upset at parents "ignoring" their children's tantrums, all I can say is that this IS a form of parenting. When my DD gets in a certain mood, she will feed off ANY attention directed her way and just escalate it worse. You can do consquence after consequence after consequence and she still will not stop, it just gets worse. There are certain times where the best parenting for her IS to just ignore it and let her de-escalate it herself.

Now certainly I would apologize if she was really impacting someone else. Certainly I woudl remove her from a quiet show or a line (or not get in the line, as above) if she were doing a full-out tantrum.

That being said, I also think it's a bit unreasonable to expect to go to a place like WDW and think you'll never have to be confronted with a crying child. I'll do my best to not let my crying child impact you... but by the same token I'd like the people around us to not judge us for having a crying child! (Although to be honest, if someone is judging us, I'm not likely to notice because am usually focused on DD at that point.)

If there is one thing I've learned as a parent, it's that kids will melt down occasionally... that kids go through stages and often outgrow their own behaviors... and that trying to maintain 100% control is unrealistic (and often counterproductive). Even with allowing DD to set our pace, to choose what we were doing 90% of the time (we went to MK five out of six park days, and yes, she got to choose what rides most of the time no matter where we were.... she and I did Barnstormer and Teacups I don't know HOW many times)... even with all that, there will be meltdowns and bad behavior... but it's not the end of the world.
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I'm very pleased that you posted this. Many people think that just because a child has special needs they can't learn. You, on the other hand have shown how you try to cope and teach your child better behaviour skills. These skills can be taught anywhere-home, WDW, etc. And that's what a good parent does. They don't ignore bad behavior, but they teach, distract, dicipline, and reward good behavior. Parenting is a 24/7 job, and I applaud all you parents who are working at raising your child to rise up to the best he or she can be. Sorry, I didn't mean to take this thread off topic.
Perfectly said! I would never be upset at a baby crying on a plane (oh,it sucks to be seated near it - no amount of patience is going to make it NOT suck, lol) because its a baby and they can't help it and that's not something that is a behavior issue. As well, when a child is misbehaving no amount of ignoring them is going to make them behave. They may tire of screaming or whatever but you are still being incredibly rude to everyone else if you let that continue in order to teach them that mommy ignores tantrums, imo. You can parent your child any way you like - but if it starts to disrupt or annoy other people and you could be doing something about it, well then that's when people get upset.

As many have said, when you see a kid that is clearly overtired and overextended at the park you can usually tell. The difference is how its dealt with. As another poster said, when we misbehaved we went home - no empty threats, no negotiations and no begging us to behave. But then we weren't usually overextended either - they kept us on the same schedule we had at home, normally so maybe that makes a big difference. When we saw screamers last week that were overtired my bf and I would look at each other and say 'time for a nap' and laugh.

I think as others also have mentioned - when a parent is clearly dealing with the situation then I don't blink an eye (I may feel sympathy though ). Its when a kid is kicking the back of my chair over and over and over and the parent is actually sitting with them and watching it and saying nothing Or when a parent lets a little snowflake kick the ducks at Epcot and says nothing until I yell at the little serial killer in training (for real - he was very scary and malicious and shouldn't have been let near animals without supervision). Or when you let your child scream nonstop during a show or movie that people are desparately trying to hear. That to me is taking a vacation from parenting.
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However, those that get disgruntled about some crying in a line because it's hot, they've been waiting awhile I think need to take a chill pill. I would of course apologize to those around us and try to distract her, but remove from the line? No.
Can't agree. It's never okay to let your hot/tired/bored child scream in close quarters to other people who are also hot/tired/bored and can't get away. Crying for a short time is one thing. We encountered that and it was fine, expected even. My teen helped distract a few kids with her pins and let them play with the little toys on her lanyard. But it's not fair to the people around you to let a child scream on and on.
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"I'm sorry"

Such a simple phrase that, when used, can defuse some of the worst situations. If your kid does something to negatively impact the people around them, as simple "I'm sorry" would do wonders. Did the kid swing the line rope while you were distracted for that one moment and hit someone? "I'm sorry my child did that" would be a huge step in the right direction. Did the kid get a little too excited with their sword and accidentally hit someone? "I'm sorry he hit you" is the correct response.

Pretty much I think it comes down to two really simple ideas. One, if your child does something to someone, apologize. Two, if it's ongoing and negatively effects all those around you, go somewhere else until it can be calmed down.

What I mean by two is the dreaded tantrum in a restaurant, show, or ride line (or really any confined space). There are numerous people all in a (relatively) small location. As such, if your child is doing something to impact the enjoyment of others, then you need to remove them. If they are screaming during the show, then leave. If they are running around and yelling in the restaurant, then leave. If they continue to ignore you about swinging on the ropes, then leave. There is no reason to allow your child to bother a large number of people by their behavior.

Now, on my 2007 trip, I did complain about kids twice. They were even the same kids. Once I complained to a CM because the parents were allowing their children to run around in the landscaping (not the grass... the landscaping) and did nothing when they started to pull up grass and flowers. I spoke to a CM about that because they were destroying that I knew people had worked on. The CM asked them to keep the kids out of the landscaping and the parents did seem to listen (but didn't apologize).

The second time I complained to the waitress because these kids were being allowed to run around the restaurant and were causing a dangerous situation (it was a buffet, CP to be exact). Well, before the CM could do anything, the kids ran INTO Tigger. Smack dab into him while he was spending time with another family. Lets just say the family was firmly escorted out of the restaurant after that...

Not once did I complain about a general meltdown, because the parents were doing what they could every time I saw one. Not once did I complain about a kid being "loud" because they were excited about seeing Mickey. Not once did I complain about a kid wandering in front of me because they were so caught up with what was going on around them. No, there is a HUGE difference in those things compared to the 2 incidents I DID complain about.

So, all I ask of parents is... at least TRY to do something. Don't sit there and ignore it and allow it to impact other people. If you are trying, then people have a lot more patience then they would otherwise.
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They are intentionally swinging the chain. If it hits someone it is the parent of the child's fault for letting them do it. It is not about what they think swinging the chain is; it is about what swinging the chain can do.

So let me ask you this. If a 4 year old thinks it is fun to walk up to people and spit on them because he is bored, is that acceptable? According to you he is not thinking about hitting someone he is just amusing himself because he is bored.

This type of action is beyond the "typical meltdown" type stuff.
Well, that's exactly what a young child would think. Try Googling "Egocentrism" and "Piaget." Interesting stuff.
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Interesting thread. I was at MK last week in the Laugh show with Mike W. The woman behind me had a child who was crying loudly throughout the show. She also had a little one (maybe 2) who was running back and forth. She kept saying "do you want to leave?" She was also loud. She stood up holding the baby who was crying and kept saying "do you want to leave or see the rest of the show. She BECAME the show. My question, why wouldn't you leave if your children were crying or screaming during a show? If you are in a show and your child has a melt down, to answer the OP, yes, I think you should leave, I should leave, whomever should grab the child quickly and head to the nearest door to quiet the child. Of course those of us with children know to have treats, cool drinks, etc. handy when you feel one coming on. If you can't stop it, move the child to another location and handle your business like a parent. Ignoring it when you are walking through the park pushing the stroller is understandable, (IMHO) but you shouldn't ignore it if everyone is watching a show. JMHO
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No kidding. We were all kids once. And plenty of childless or childfree people work as teachers, nannies and the like.
I have to agree here. I am actually a behavior specialist for young children with autism and behavioral disorders. I've worked with a wide variety of kids in their schools, in their homes, and in the community for over 13 years-working directly with children, training parents, and training teachers. I feel pretty confident that, not only can I offer advice about managing a child's behaviors, I can offer them without parental emotions getting in the way. & I can tell you what the research says, with regards to what generally works/does not work. Not trying to sound arrogant, I'm just saying that you don't need to have children to understand behavior management.

So, just because you don't have children, it doesn't necessarily mean you don't know how to manage behaviors. Don't forget that many people on here, aside from being WDW fanatics, are professionals in various fields, some in the area of child behavior management!
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So anyway. I am a parent who tends to believe in kids making their own decisions (within reason) and reaping the consequences of those decisions (again within reason). So she had made a decision to wear this dress, and the consequence was that she was now uncomfortable. No, I was NOT going to leave the park and punish all of us because of that. I was NOT going to remove her back to the room just so some people would not have to listen to her tantrum.
So basically you're going to punish everyone else around you? I'm all for teaching your child a lesson, but if your priority was teaching her a lesson about consiquences wouldn't "You chose to wear this dress, now you don't want to - so we'll go back and change, but that will make you miss lunch with the princesses" be a valid one too? But that would inconvenience you. So you chose the consiquence that just happened to work out best for you.

I actually had a similar situation arise with an itchy pirate costume & a 7 year old at the Magic Kingdom. When he started whining, before it escallated, I sat him down, looked him in the eye and said "What do you want to do?" He was kind of surprised by that (I'm his godmother - I don't know how his mother deals with those situations). "If you don't want to wear it, we'll leave the park, go back to the hotel and you can change." HE decided to stay, and that was pretty much the end of it. Though I did end up carrying all the parts that were removable.
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