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Old 08-08-2010, 09:13 AM   #121
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I doubt they are fond of adults sharing meals, either.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:24 AM   #122
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Whether or not Disney has an obligation to provide healthier (main) items on their kid's menu, and cost and those with sensory and allergy issues aside- let's get real here.

It's amazing to me that when a child would prefer to not eat hamburgers, chicken nuggets, hot dogs and fries for every meal, that they are considered "adventurous eaters". Really?? My boys love and eat the aforementioned items, but also love and eat grilled chicken, sweet potato fries, veggie burgers, turkey, fish, many different ethnic cuisines, and even (gasp!) raw veggies and salad. So, where do they fall in the labeling? Say, what you will (and again, with allergy and sensory issues aside), it's not the kids that have the food issues, it's the parents. It's amazing that we survived as a species before the advent of kiddie junk food, if "picky eaters" is the default reasoning for having a kid that won't eat outside the fast food menu items (whether made at home or out). If I let my boys, they would eat ONLY the junk, until they were physically sick. Point is, I'm the parent. I don't let them do whatever they want. If they can't make a good decision on their own, I'm there to guide them into making the right one, or flat out make the decision FOR THEM, if they won't.

Now, granted, we are on vacation. So, I let them have a cheeseburger and fries for lunch if that's what they want. They won't be having it for dinner as well, though. But, let's just say that they did- fine. Not such a big deal on vacation. But, I'm flabbergasted at parents who claim that their children "have" to eat that way 24/7, simply because they are "picky eaters". And I'm further amazed at any pediatrician that would back that up. I'd be changing my child's doctor, pronto.

My point is this. It would be nice if EVERY WDW CS and/or TS menu offered a couple other main items on their kid's menu, that went in a healthier direction- grilled chicken sandwich maybe? Veggie burger? Sweet potato fries?. Variety is the spice of life after all, right? And it really has nothing to do with the price. Paying "less"- especially at WDW where cheap doesn't really equal cheap in real life- should not mean that anyone is stuck with "crap". After all, a child-sized portion is also smaller than an adult portion. But. Even if your child is stuck with a limited menu in WDW, that doesn't mean they should be stuck with one back safely at home.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:29 AM   #123
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pizza on the kids menu at a pizza restaurant would prompt some adults to order that item (expecting something better than child-menu-quality pizza)
I don't see how offering a child's pizza at a pizza restaurant (using the PP's example) would cause problems for Disney. Plenty of adults share meals at Disney, either with each other or with a child. I don't see how an adult ordering a child's meal is any different profit-wise for Disney than 2 people sharing 1 adult meal.
It is different, to some extent, and the same, to some extent, but that's not the point. I think you misread what you replied to (reproduced above), because it answered your inquiry directly: The presence of that item on that menu would prompt choices with unfounded expectations leading to yet-even-more reduction in revenue (offering both a child pizza and the ability to split an adult meal is two ways revenue can be reduced, instead of just one), and more dissatisfaction (due to the unfounded expectations that would go unsatisfied).
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:32 AM   #124
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I doubt they are fond of adults sharing meals, either.
Probably true, though it much more troublesome (from a public relations/customer delight standpoint) trying to prevent meal-sharing than simply not offering something on a specific menu. All by the most unreasonable consumers realize that you cannot get blood from a stone.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:34 AM   #125
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Probably true, though it much more troublesome (from a public relations/customer delight standpoint) trying to prevent meal-sharing than simply not offering something on a specific menu. All by the most unreasonable consumers realize that you cannot get blood from a stone.

Absolutely.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:36 AM   #126
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I think I replied way back, near page 1 or 2. My 9 yo hates the DDP, hates it. After 2 trips in 12 months, both trips we used the DxDP, we won't do it again. Our problem with the plan is the lack of choices. We ate at least 2 sit downs a day for a total of 17 days (between the two trips). He really got tired of the same choices restaurant after restaurant. Our problem wasn't the nutritional value, or lack thereof, rather the monotony of the menu.

I do think the choices can be quite nutritious. I remember grilled chicken, veggies, fruit cups, etc.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:36 AM   #127
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My point is this. It would be nice if EVERY WDW CS and/or TS menu offered a couple other main items on their kid's menu, that went in a healthier direction- grilled chicken sandwich maybe? Veggie burger? Sweet potato fries?. Variety is the spice of life after all, right?
However, that just raises the question as to why not just choose such healthy items from the regular menu. See above for why the child menu is necessarily so limited. In the end, it just comes down to money, and the fact that some folks vigorously want to pay very little instead of paying more. Child menus, even as they are, do appeal to those folks. Everyone would prefer getting more value (including getting more flexibility) for their money, for everything, but not everyone would prefer paying more to get more value.

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And it really has nothing to do with the price.
Yes it does, for the reasons outlined above. If it didn't, then just ordering off the regular menu, with the special requests granted, would be sufficient. You're implying that it isn't sufficient.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:45 AM   #128
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However, that just raises the question as to why not just choose such healthy items from the regular menu. See above for why the child menu is necessarily so limited. In the end, it just comes down to money, and the fact that some folks vigorously want to pay very little instead of paying more. Child menus, even as they are, do appeal to those folks. Everyone would prefer getting more value (including getting more flexibility) for their money, for everything, but not everyone would prefer paying more to get more value.

Yes it does, for the reasons outlined above. If it didn't, then just ordering off the regular menu, with the special requests granted, would be sufficient. You're implying that it isn't sufficient.
As someone said above, a child's menu is a nice perk. Not a right.

No one has to order from a child's menu. If one does, it is either out of being cheap, or the child likes the options.
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As someone said above, a child's menu is a nice perk. Not a right. No one has to order from a child's menu. If one does, it is either out of being cheap, or the child likes the options.
Ack, I think "cheap" is too prejudicial a characterization.

(Otherwise, I agree.)
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:04 AM   #130
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Lol, too frugal to buy their child more varied and healthier options?
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:05 AM   #131
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No one has to order from a child's menu. If one does, it is either out of being cheap, or the child likes the options.
If you are on the dining plan, you child has to order from the children's menu. We get the dining plan because we like character meals, where our children can eat a decent meal from the buffets. However, counter service children's menus are really limited...in variety and nutrition.
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If you are on the dining plan, you child has to order from the children's menu.
That's surely a fine reason to avoid the Dining Plan, for folks concerned about the quality or nature of the child meals.
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:43 AM   #133
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I can't recall the cost of the regualr DDP off hand, but we are doing QSDP. The cost for kids is $10 a day. In that you get 2 snacks and the refillable cup. But just based on the 2 snacks, at $3-4 each that is say $7 on average there, so for $3 a day you are getting the 2 kids meals whcih may or may not be the best choices but even if you just get the side dishes and drik you are doing OK. Add in the salads and fruit sups and stuff that is often available and it still isn't a bad deal. I would compain more if it cost more but the kids price is very reasonable. I'd say if you want to suppliment there are good choices. My kids share a regualr meal when we go out at home. They prefer the food and it costs the same. When we go to Disney we do the same and use the kids emals for breakfast typically.
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:54 AM   #134
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It took me a while to decide whether or not to weigh in on this issue (no pun intended! ) But I decided that I needed to dive in. Here is my situation:

I have 2 kids, 11 years apart...polar opposites in their eating habits, yet raised exactly the same way! My older one would eat anything (and still does! ) (One of his favorite foods in cottage cheese! ) But at WDW he really liked eating off the kids menu because it was faster (wanted to get back to the rides!) He outgrew the kids menu at about 7 or 8 and mixed his diet at WDW just like he did at home. He would try the grilled fish today and have a cheese burger tomorrow. We were exercising like crazy with all of the walking, so I just watched our water intake more than the calories!

My younger one is as picky as can be she wouldn't even eat any type of meat until she was 3! (Her protein intake was pretty much scrambled eggs, cheese, etc...freaked her father out....just knew she was going to be anemic!) Now she eats only chicken and pork products...no fish and definitely no BEEF! As she gets older she is getting better at making healthy choices on her own....grilled chicken instead of fried, fruit instead of french fries, etc. And she continues this at WDW

As a diabetic, I can tell you that no restaurant anywhere is good for me to eat at! I have had to make unusual choices for years and it is just a way of life for me and my family! There is always something that will work with my diet....you just have to look and mix and match!

I think it is interesting to see how much this issues gets everyone's ire up! I agree with PP's that say you can make the biggest changes in your own neighborhood with the power of your dollar. I try never to comment on another person's parenting because I have no idea what went into the scene that I just witnessed....not always successful, but I do try!

I too have friends who have kids with food allergies, etc and have seen how difficult this is for them....and it is not made easier when people who are unaware of this challenge make comments to them about their child's eating habits! (And yes this has happened in restaurants! In front of the child! )

I have enjoyed this discussion and feel sure that some of my comments will also raise some folks ire! Thanks for the topic!
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Old 08-08-2010, 12:05 PM   #135
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You would think that a TS place would know some parents like to feed there children healthier meals. How hard would it be to put a small version menu for the children for healthier choices. Maybe its time to speak up at the resturants and see. Jo
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