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Old 08-04-2010, 11:14 AM   #136
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PI was a great place but I'm told one of the reasons for it's closure was less than savory local characters were showing up there and some were packing heat. Not exactly a family friendly environment unfortunately.

I still say get rid of that horrible free dining.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:17 AM   #137
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yes, you can tell the difference. It was almost better (and less crowded) when it was just the MK!!!
Kind of but I remember waiting in line 90 minutes for the 20000 Laegues ride.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:38 AM   #138
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PI was a great place but I'm told one of the reasons for it's closure was less than savory local characters were showing up there and some were packing heat. Not exactly a family friendly environment unfortunately.

I still say get rid of that horrible free dining.
That was not the reason for the complete closure of all PI clubs.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:40 AM   #139
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Hi! ARe you saying you don't have to pay the 18 percent if you give them the card after you recieve your check? Thanks! Brunette
You still have to pay the 18%. However, the concern mentioned was that because the server knows you are a TIW member and are going to be paying 18% tip automatically there would be no incentive for good service. If the server does not know you have TIW until you pay the check, that problem doesn't arise (unless you are a party of six or more, which would pay the 18% anyway). If you then get bad service, speak to a manager or don't use the TIW.
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I always thought it was strange that Disney maintained the West Side but still closed PI. The last time we were over there it was right after it closed and was quite the eye sore.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:59 AM   #141
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I don't think its been going downhill. But I agree with the food. I've never went to Disney with the idea that I would be getting good food but for what it cost, I would like to see the food improved.

Disney has great attraction and hotels, so why not work on the food? Even the good sit down meals imo are just OK.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:04 PM   #142
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They will still add the 18% (which can be adjusted I believe) but the server won't take the tip for granted. Also to remember with TIW, the sales tax is figured on the discounted amount so there is a savings there as well.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:05 PM   #143
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I always thought it was strange that Disney maintained the West Side but still closed PI. The last time we were over there it was right after it closed and was quite the eye sore.
It's a little more lively at this point (West Side, not the former PI part - that's pretty much dead except for Raglan Road) but since then, Virgin Megastore has pulled out and a couple more of the smaller shops closed. A new Vinylmation store (operated by Disney and decorated with stuff pulled out of the Adventurers Club ) has opened there but everything else they've brought in has been temporary (Princess Diana exhibit, a make your own toy car store I think is still operating out of the former Virgin Megastore) but I think the eventual plan is still to pull in enough third-party lessees to fill the area. The going has been extremely slow though.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:09 PM   #144
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Before last Oct, I hadn't been to Disney World in 10 years. We went every year growing up but after college and such we never went until last year.

Honestly, I still felt the same magic I've always felt while being there.

I'm guessing the "downhill" feel is much easier felt to those to frequently go. After 10 years I was just so happy to be there, I didn't care!

As for the prices, I expect them to go up just like everything else that costs money goes up. It's a vacation...a privalege. Money that doesn't have to be spent. However my parents took a week's vacation to TN and spent just under what they would have spent a week at Disney. It's expensive everywhere these days!

I think Disney is a great family vacation spot and will continue to be so. Disney knows this too because no matter how many changes...so many people go and come back year after year.
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You still have to pay the 18%. However, the concern mentioned was that because the server knows you are a TIW member and are going to be paying 18% tip automatically there would be no incentive for good service. If the server does not know you have TIW until you pay the check, that problem doesn't arise (unless you are a party of six or more, which would pay the 18% anyway). If you then get bad service, speak to a manager or don't use the TIW.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:20 PM   #146
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We are also repeat guests and this year is a lucky one as we are making 2 trips down to the world... we were there 2 weeks ago and are going in late Nov.

I am basing my comments on my own experiences of our July 2010 trip against our late June 2009 trip (during the record breaking heat wave).

In June 2009, I would have pretty much agreed with the OP's comments- we saw trash in alot of the attractions, in both the ride and queues. Very rude people - both CMs and other guests. In general what was to be one of our best trips was one of our least favorite.

When I booked this July 2010 trip, it was because we had one of the worst blizzards on record here in PA and I wanted to "fry".... so I cancelled out of a convention I was to attend and decided a family trip to Disney would be better... we knew we would encounter the heat, humidity, tour groups and more increased crowds in general. So my expectations were low - I was just grateful we could work in this extra trip this year - and I was just happy to be in Disney sweating vs sweating on my back patio.

What we got 2 weeks ago was one of the BEST trips ever. I encountered wonderful CMs for the most part, I did have a run in with a staff person/manager about a resort issue that was rectified during our stay. Minor issues.

We had several instances of Pixie Dust and magical moments bestowed upon us.

I did notice that at 1 place the food seemed blah, but then it was a character dining meal my youngest loves so it's more for her experience than a dining experience.

As for the tour groups, they were out in full force, it is what it is. I ignore them and I did see MANY CMs who were doing their absolute best at doing their job and not letting these groups get away with their shenanigans.

I saw alot of CMs picking up trash and specifically checking rides when they were over. It seemed like last summer no one cared and I saw several rides literally trashed but yet they kept operating. I also saw alot of clothed Disney security in their uniforms strolling the parks 2 weeks ago.

I will be the first to admit I wasn't thrilled with the MK expansion.. but after I got there and saw the walls and also had some of the changes explained to me by a CM, I am excited for it.

Is there room for improvement? Absolutely. But DIsney is a huge multinational corporation and there is so much that goes into a decision for the parks.... I feel sure that there are designs on the drawing board now, but it takes forever to go up and down the various levels of management before it even gets to the bigger management people...and it's so slow.

I am sure people will say I have rose colored glasses, and that's fine. Each of us has had different experiences and I think it's safe to say there is always good and bad in every trip.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:30 PM   #147
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We have gone to WDW over 50 times since 1992. Each time we have stayed at WDW resorts, our average stay is about a week. That means we have spent about 1 year out of the last 18 years at WDW. DW is burned out and won't go back to the world. I have a solo trip this December. The magic isn't what it used to be for me, but I still very much enjoy going. We have gone during the winter months when the weather is cooler and the crowds smaller. Except of course the 9/11 period, the crowds have gotten larger than during our earlier trips. Even though many people say the crowds, during most of the winter are manageable, it just isn't as pleasant for me, with what I see as larger crowds.

I feel like the maintenance at WDW has slipped over the years, but it's still cleaner than other parks and most other places that are open to the public. Maybe some of the magic has gone for me, because I have been so many times and I'm getting old. As long as I can, I will go to WDW at least once a year, even though it will be solo.
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But I'm getting alot of bad vibes as to what is really going on in the world and it's really starting to get me to wonder. Is Disney turning into a money machine, that is only interested in making a buck and forgetting about all it's fine customers/guests?
Disney dining - They have increased all buffets services and lowered the quality of food, i.e. took off prime rib at Boma and a few other restaurants.

That could be blamed on the economy and that the average guest could care less about fine dining.

Disney CL Service - I've been reading that the food isn't what it used to be. Yet people pay a large premium for this. Food runs out and is not replenished etc.

In many venues, all Disney food is now of similar quality of an off-site equivalent. Heard it's even moreso at Disneyland.

Christmas attractions - Took away the lights at Epcot. It was just beautiful. It totally ruined the whole effect last Christmas season.

Never did the holidays at the world - but again, it doesn't surprise me.

Nickel and Diming the guest - Holiday surcharges for buffets. Okay, I can understand Thanksgiving and Christmas. But Memorial Day through 4th of July too! It's just plain wrong.

Agreed.

Doubling the price of a stroller- Double stroller 1 1/2 years ago was $18.00 now it is over $30.00. If you multiply that by 7 days it's the price of a rent a car!

That doesn't seem to be a "fair" increase - a couple of bucks I can understand, but $12.00-plus ??

Ticket increases - Every August there is a ticket increase!

Again, inflation plays a role - this year's increases seemed "middling" compared to the stroller (maybe that's why they raised stroller rental prices?).

Brazilian groups- Extremely disruptive, rude, crass, and down right hazardous (blocking pathways), making loud noises outside of value hotel rooms in the early morning hours. There are 2-3 threads about this outrageous behavior, with hundreds of complaints from our DIS friends. Yet, Disney refuses to do anything about this.

Disney refuses to do anything about this because tourists from Brazil equals big money. Can't alienate a whole group of people...

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With the economy in the tank, people out of jobs, it would seem that Disney shouldn't be this greedy, for a lack of a better word. I'm just starting to notice some of these ill effects taking place. This is just my observation.

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Yes, as with all international tourist desitinations, if WDW isn't "drawing 'em in" from here in North America, it's time for the marketing gurus to look towards other countries with the intent of bringing their tourist dollars to the property.

Secondly, everyone on the board tends to forget a simple fact when it comes to all things Disney - The Walt Disney Company is a conglomerate (a word, more often that not, used to describe big outfits like Walmart and GE) - in Disney's case, The WDC's speciality is media/entertainment. Like other big business conglomerates, their primary businesses are in place to make money and return some of those profits to their shareholders.

And when times get tough, Disney, like others, has to work extra hard (cut a few corners) to keep the money flowing...
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Everything changes. It is a basic rule of life. And a corollary seems to be that many people practice nostalgia, remembering the past more fondly than they originally experienced it. Individual things may improve or degrade, but the nostalgic will not really notice the improvements, and will perceive the degradations magnified.
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I don't think its been going downhill. But I agree with the food. I've never went to Disney with the idea that I would be getting good food but for what it cost, I would like to see the food improved.
captive target audience who need to eat + packed restaurants = regular price increases + lower quality + smaller portions

I wouldn't expect much to change in this regard.
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