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Old 08-03-2010, 09:35 AM   #136
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Bearzabout - thank you so much for the great advice! I'm checking in to Cedarcide today. I'm so tired of this and it has only been two months. Others deal with it a year or more before getting rid of them. I just can't imagine. I'll send you a PM as I would like some more advice!

One question - could bb bites appear and then be gone within an hour? I ask because that is what happened with my daughter Saturday, Sunday, and again last night. Seems odd as when I get bites they linger for weeks. Bites she had in the past lingered for weeks. So now I'm wondering if what I've seen the last three days are not bb bites at all but something else. Of course my first thought is bb bites (plus she says she is itching - really pitiful as she is only 20 months old) but perhaps what has been happening is an allergic reaction to something. She has also had a rash around her mouth for 3 weeks now that comes and goes. We assumed the "rash" was due to bed bug bites but I can't believe they'd keep biting her in the same area for three weeks. I guess I'm holding out hope that the dogs were right last week and her welts (that very quickly disappear), rash, and itching are due to something else. Probably unlikely but I'm trying to be optimistic.

What does everyone think?
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:07 AM   #137
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I do have more tips. They might not work for you since your families symptoms are a bit different than what I experienced but are worth a try. Some are safe alternatives like using coconut oil as a moisturizer. Give the kids extra vitamen C. If they have sores that don't heal, put vitamen C on them. The citric acid helped our bug bites heal.

Send me a PM. I have learned a lot and some things that worked for me and may work for you.

Cedarcide has to contact bugs to kill them. If you do have bed bugs, it may take a few applications to get rid of them completely. I spray it in my luggage before and after trips hoping that the residual odor (like a cedar closet) will keep bugs from getting into my stuff.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:38 PM   #138
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Bearzabout - thank you so much for the great advice! I'm checking in to Cedarcide today. I'm so tired of this and it has only been two months. Others deal with it a year or more before getting rid of them. I just can't imagine. I'll send you a PM as I would like some more advice!

One question - could bb bites appear and then be gone within an hour? I ask because that is what happened with my daughter Saturday, Sunday, and again last night. Seems odd as when I get bites they linger for weeks. Bites she had in the past lingered for weeks. So now I'm wondering if what I've seen the last three days are not bb bites at all but something else. Of course my first thought is bb bites (plus she says she is itching - really pitiful as she is only 20 months old) but perhaps what has been happening is an allergic reaction to something. She has also had a rash around her mouth for 3 weeks now that comes and goes. We assumed the "rash" was due to bed bug bites but I can't believe they'd keep biting her in the same area for three weeks. I guess I'm holding out hope that the dogs were right last week and her welts (that very quickly disappear), rash, and itching are due to something else. Probably unlikely but I'm trying to be optimistic.

What does everyone think?

Is it possible your DD has hives instead of BB bites? Maybe she's allergic to the treatment sprays? Hives can appear and disappear like that and they itch terribly! Don't want to wish hives on your DD but better than BB bites?!
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:06 PM   #139
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That is what I am hoping, SheIsGoingToDisney. I guess the reason I suspect bed bugs is because she took a nap in the offending bed (although the dogs indicated it was clean last week) and in about an hour was complaining of itching (accompanied by 20 or so welts). I gave her Benedryl but the welts were disappearing before I even did that. Sunday while in the car she said she was itching and I saw two small welts on the side of her knee. They were gone by the time we got where we were going. Then last night, after about 2 hours home and playing on the floor with big brother, she said she was itching again. I looked and she had several welts in the same area she had them on Saturday. She complained for a few minutes, I gave her Benedryl, then she started complaining of the other arm itching. Once the Benedryl kicked in she went to sleep and all the welts were gone this morning. I don't know if bed bug bites ever behave that way. I'd think not as I'd think the Benedryl would help the itch but the bite mark would still be there the next day. I've been hesitating calling the PCO as I don't want to spray more toxic chemicals in my house if not necessary....but I also don't want to let it go and let them build up their numbers again if it is bed bugs. Another thing that leads me toward bed bugs is the fact my son had three spots Sunday and those are lingering like bed bug bites would. I've also had a couple questionable spots that may or may not be bites. Just not sure what I should do at this point.
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:29 PM   #140
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That is so scary!!! I actually didn't think there were such a thing just a saying that people used.

I can't believe Disney had this issue too.
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:15 PM   #141
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Bearzabout - thank you so much for the great advice! I'm checking in to Cedarcide today. I'm so tired of this and it has only been two months. Others deal with it a year or more before getting rid of them. I just can't imagine. I'll send you a PM as I would like some more advice!

One question - could bb bites appear and then be gone within an hour? I ask because that is what happened with my daughter Saturday, Sunday, and again last night. Seems odd as when I get bites they linger for weeks. Bites she had in the past lingered for weeks. So now I'm wondering if what I've seen the last three days are not bb bites at all but something else. Of course my first thought is bb bites (plus she says she is itching - really pitiful as she is only 20 months old) but perhaps what has been happening is an allergic reaction to something. She has also had a rash around her mouth for 3 weeks now that comes and goes. We assumed the "rash" was due to bed bug bites but I can't believe they'd keep biting her in the same area for three weeks. I guess I'm holding out hope that the dogs were right last week and her welts (that very quickly disappear), rash, and itching are due to something else. Probably unlikely but I'm trying to be optimistic.

What does everyone think?
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:22 PM   #142
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I was starting to suspect food allergy as well. While I don't want her to have a food allergy....we can deal with that better than bed bugs that won't go away.
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:38 PM   #143
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I'm also thinking allergy to something - food or the pest treatment chemicals. I've personally had a hive last longer than a day and then I've had some that lasted just as long as it took to wash and dry the affected skin. Food allergies are by no means fun (DB#3 is DEATHLY allergic to tree nuts) as it can take a while to pinpoint what the allergen is and then taking precautions to avoid it, but I do hope that's the issue behind the temporary welts/itching.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:54 AM   #144
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I've been following this thread and never even thought about bedbugs in hotels before reading this so another big thank you for posting this! We are going to be staying at POR in September for 13 nights. I did see that POR had several bedbug complaints on both Bedbug Registry and Tripadvisor, so I've been making notes and know what to look for now.

There is a website called Bedbugger Forums that you can search different products and see reviews/discussion threads that are pretty informative. I don't know if you've seen that already or if that would be of any help. I've felt so bad for you reading about your experiences! The only thing close to this I've had to deal with was a highly contagious bacterial illness (C-Diff) we had a year ago, after which we had to sanitize like crazy and wash everything we could. It was weeks of first illness and then manic cleaning. I was stressed out for sooo long afterwards worrying that I had missed something and the spores would still be somewhere. Everything turned out fine but the idea of encountering a bedbug infestion fills me with dread.

Aside from the initial check of rooms and using plastic bags for clothes etc. I have been considering putting lotion on us all at night before bed as an extra precaution. Some organic lotions contain things that act as repellents- cedarwood oil, lemon oil, rosemary oil etc. I know the Badger Bug Balm we use has cedarwood oil in it and that's worked really well as a repellent for us. I also will spray my luggage and bed area with Thieves oil (It's clove, rosemary, eucalyptus, cinnamon, and lemon oils with grain alcohol). I've tested it on the edge of a white sheet at home and it doesn't stain. It's good as a natural alternative cleaner that works on germs and bacteria as well.

We have two other stops on the drive there and back so I'm hoping we have 3 bedbug free hotel experiences.
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Old 08-05-2010, 09:09 AM   #145
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Score: Bed Bugs 7 Me 0

Seven weeks since signs started (signs every week). My score reflects the number of weeks since this all started that we have been bed bug symptom free. I thought this nightmare was ending. Wrong again. Guess I'll make a game out of it to *attempt* to lighten the situation.
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Old 08-05-2010, 09:37 AM   #146
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Are they worse than parasites like pinworms or roundworm?? I worked in the health care field and know someone who had them. Sheets had to be washed and everything put in the dryer on high for a while. These people had a clean house and had money so its not like they could not afford, but still a pain the butt (literally and figuratively).

How do I protect my family from this in hotels on the way down?? I always check the sheets and wipes everything down with Lysol, but i don't "overkill". Anythign else I can do??
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:20 AM   #147
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Hi PrincessMom4. I wish I knew how to avoid them....but not sure as they can hide well and you may not even see signs of them. Above checking the room here's what I am doing for our upcoming trip (may seem excessive but we CANNOT go through this again):

1. I am planning to pack outfits in plastic ziploc bags. I figure I can get two kids outfits in one bag and one per bag for me and DH. May make luggage more bulky and necessitate more bags but worth it to me. Each day will remove the clean outfit and at night put it back in an empty bag till the clothes can be washed. Will also take extra bags (or buy them there) to put shoes in at night. I've been told to never leave your shoes on the carpet....never knew that and that is what we always did. Not this trip! Everything we take will be in a plastic bag except when being used. May be overkill but if it prevents bringing them home then it is worth it.

2. DO NOT UNPACK LUGGAGE IN THE ROOM! I think this was my fatal mistake last time. Normally I live out of the suitcase on vacation. This time I unpacked and think the bed bugs may have been in the dresser as my bites started around my ankles (and my socks were in the dresser).

3. Keep luggage off the floor but not on the bed. I'm going to use whatever I can - luggage rack, table, may even put luggage on the balcony if no room inside.

4. Any linens taken with us (crib sheet, towel) will be disposed of and will not come back home with us. I'm not sure if you are the PP who said you are taking pillows but I'd get cheap ones and don't bring them home. For the hotels on the road I'd bag them before heading to your next destination and then dispose of them at the last hotel. If you are the same PP who said you would need pillows for the car....I think I'd even throw those away when you get home. Can't be too careful in my opinion.

5. We will leave a change of clothes for all four of us in our garage and upon our return home will change our clothes before entering the house. The clothes we were wearing and all clothes in the suitcase will be brought in the house in small loads to wash in HOT water and dried on HIGH heat for at least one hour past when the clothes are dry. Our luggage will be put in the sun for a few days (assuming it is still hot when we get home....but may not be as it'll be October). If the temps are not high enough I'll put our luggage in large sealed trash bags (in the garage) with a Hot Shot No Pest Strip for at least a week to kill any bugs or eggs. I don't like to use the chemicals but after what we have been through (and are still going through) I will take no chances. Nothing will come back in the house without being treated. Not sure what I'm going to do about our shoes just yet, though.

All these steps probably seem obsessive and maybe even a bit crazy. But this is how we will travel for the rest of our lives now. Pain in the rear but if it keeps us from bringing bed bugs home again then it is well worth it.

Hope this helps you some!
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:40 AM   #148
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I'm feel so bad for anyone who has to deal with this, but I'm so confused.

To the OP, you said that you checked for BB when you got into your room and said that there wasn't any physical evidence of BB. Isn't there usually evidence, and if there is no evidence, we basically have to trust that there aren't any BB in our room? That's a scary thought. I always check the mattress and in front and behind the headboard in EVERY hotel we stay in, no matter how nice. Now, I'm freaked out because they could be there even if there is no evidence. Basically, you are just taking a risk staying at any hotel.

I believe it also was the OP who said that the bites started on her ankles, and she thinks they got in her socks that were in the drawers. My question is, wouldn't you have seen them in your socks? From my understanding of BB, they aren't super tiny like fleas. They are small, but you can definitely see them with the naked eye. That's why people have been able to spot them and take them in ziplock bags down the the front desk. If they were as small as fleas, this would be a difficult thing to do. I'm not trying to question if they were or weren't BB, I'm just trying to get informed for when we take our trip in September.

Finally, I've always put my suitcase on the bed, initially, while I'm unpacking. People are saying not to do that, but wouldn't it be ok, just to unpack? I doubt the BB would immediately know that there's a suitcase on the bed and come running to feed. Also, I would be happy to use the luggage stand that the hotel provides, but usually, there is only one. What do you do if you have 4 people staying in a room? I'm bringing a couple hanging sweater holders for the closet, and I plan on putting our clothes on those, however, DH likes using the drawers. What should I look for in the drawers? I'm planning on putting suitcases on the closet shelf, but mine isn't a carry on, so DD, DH, and mom's suitcases on the shelf, and mine on the luggage rack.

Thanks for all the insightful information, and I hope the OP gets these nasty things out of her house.
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AlyJoy - unfortunately I wasn't wise to look for BB on our trip so I didn't even check. Hard lesson learned. What I was referring to was in our home. We know they are there as we are getting bitten and the dogs have found them - but we have yet to see any bugs, feces, anything. Our first sign initially was I woke with bites, then started waking with blood spots on my clothes. Recently I have found what MAY be the cast skins....but I'm not sure and it has only been one here and there....not a pile of them like I've seen on the internet. I have yet to see a live bug (and really hope I don't - I just hope they disappear). I didn't mean to cause panic as it bed bugs are established you will see the signs so you are doing all the right things by checking. I guess I gave that warning because if the person before you brought the bugs in then signs most likely will not be there when you check in right after them as the bugs haven't been established long enough. I guess my theory is check for bugs, if you don't see signs then rest easy and assume you are good - but still treat your belongings as though they have been exposed even if they haven't. Can't be too careful!

As for being able to see them - yes, you can see them as they get bigger. But at the tiniest nymph stage they are very tiny....and clear...and would be hard to spot. Newly hatched nymphs would be very hard to see with the naked eye so I think it is possible they could have been in my socks and I wouldn't have seen them. I also think they were in the bed as the bed did not have a fitted sheet. They used two flat sheets that overlapped - guess where - at my ankles. That would have been an easy route to get from the mattress to me via the overlap in the sheets. Of course now that we are home they don't care where they bite. We get bites any and everywhere.

Please don't be too overly concerned about bed bugs on your trip. Check the room as you always do and if you don't find signs of them, rest easy and enjoy! In case I haven't mentioned before, I didn't want to alarm people by starting this thread. Just wanted to warn and inform so others don't meet our fate!
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You can see the larger adult bugs (especially if they have been feeding because they are darker in color). Apparently some of the new hatched or young bugs, and ones that haven't fed are not as detectable. They may only be the size of a pin head and lighter in color than the adults.
They are also masters at hiding and will seek out any little nook and cranny (it's as if they "know" you're looking for them).

Put it this way, you could inspect a whole white pillowcase inside and out and not see the one little bug that decided to scrunch it's way into a seam so it could hide until it's ready to come out and feed.

I think a large infestation of adult bugs would be fairly easy to detect if you did a thorough inspection, but if a room was just at the beginning of an infestation with smaller bugs that may not have fed yet or at least for awhile, it may not be as easy to detect.

I think it's best to treat every room as if there could be a possible infestation and just do your best to use some of the precautions in this thread, but let's be honest, there are going to be situations where no matter what someone does, it might not be enough, especially if you don't know they're there.

TNDISLVR - Still thinking about you and I sent you a PM. Lots of good thoughts and prayers still coming your way
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