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Old 03-16-2006, 03:56 AM   #46
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I just wonder why people are so against some kind of ceremony at the resort between gays?!? aren't these ceremonies somewhat private and or after park closing? who is going to know it is even happening, if they are not in the wedding party?!?!?
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Old 03-16-2006, 01:42 PM   #47
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Elevationist...I love how you did your pictures in your signature. How did you do that? I also hope things get worked out at WDW and all of you desiring a ceremony in the midst of the Magic can do so!

As far as Sarah Elizabeth goes...people like you make me Soooooo tired. I feel that you're implying that gays are always out and about making out, tongue-ing each other, and who knows what else. That kind of thinking shows your ignorance. I suppose next you'll say that all gay men are out there wearing butt chaps all the time . Sorry, but I get so freakin' tired of this kind of thinking. I have yet to see any of this anywhere in Disney. The other day DH and I were eating at Golden Corral and I saw two younger guys holding hands. Good for them! You don't see that very much around here, and I was glad they weren't afraid to show their affection for each other...in a very polite way, mind you! What is the problem with two people..no matter their sex..loving each other and sharing a life? This world has enough hate without the ignorance of homophobic people. I teach my DD's tolerance in every aspect. They are 16, 12, and 2.5. The two older ones think nothing of homosexuality and as my 2yo grows it will be even more of a normal thing for her than it was for the other 2. I want my kids to know that not everyone in this world lives in the midwest in a small town and has a mom and dad and a dog and a cat. I want them to be able to handle any type of society when they go out into the world..and handle it without judgment. I want them to appreciate the differences in all of us. Life is so much better that way. More friends made. More memories too.
I used to a member of another Disney discussion board. I won't get into it, but I am no longer a member there nor do I desire to be. I love DIS because I can be myself(and though I am not a HUGE weirdo, I do tend to be my own person )...judgment doesn't reign supreme here as it does other places . I am just a pretty normal human being who loves Disney and wants a place to congregate with other Disney lovers. The fact that DIS isn't too above itself to have a forum like this is part of the reason I love it so much. Much more diversity here. Okay...I am horrid at going on and on in my posts, so off my soap box now. Just wanted to post my opinion...thanks for listening!
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:09 PM   #48
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I have not read this post for some time, so I had to wade through three pages of commentary. And while I was doing all this reading something occurred to me. Many people are upset at the thought of a same-sex couple getting married at Walt Disney World. But why?

In all my years of going to Disney I have seen many wedding parties walking around the Grand Floridian and Yacht Club. I've seen groups of men in tuxedos. I"ve seen groups of women in fancy dresses. Sometimes I've even seen these groups mixed together. But the one thing I have never, ever seen is the actual ceremony. Why? It's none of my business. The wedding ceremony is private and open to only those who are invited to observe. A wedding at Disney is never broadcast on TV, in the parks, as background noise or anything like that.

So why do people get up in arms over this? Unless you are invited, you'll never actually see the two men (or women) standing together or seeing them kiss at the end of the ceremony. If you see two men (or women) out being photographed, why immediately assume they are gay? I have dozens of pictures of my straight brother and myself from his wedding where I was his best man. It was just the two of us. No one ever implied anything about anyones sexuality.

As far as the "Disney is for children" excuse, I would encourage them to look around. Take a good, long, hard look. There are as many adult groups as there are groups of adults / children. We love going to Disney and enjoy the atmosphere, fun and magic in the theme parks. Kevin and I probably won't have a commitement ceremony anytime soon, but doing it at Disney would be fun. But it would also be for those we invite, and not broadcast on TV screens throughout Epcot.

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Old 03-16-2006, 09:04 PM   #49
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Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way, shape or form. I see nothing wrong with choosing who you want to be with. What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display. I don't have pictures of me hugging and kissing my boyfriend all over the internet, so I don't see why you need to either. Whether it's biological or just a life decision, you know that your choice is one that makes a lot of people uncomfortable to see. While you may say "screw them," you're being selfish when it comes to children. They're at a very vulnerable age where they don't understand things like that. I would never make out with my boyfriend some place where I knew little children would be. I know someone who's gay and whenever he's home you'd NEVER know it. He never talks about it, never calls anyone his "boyfriend" and would never kiss or hug a man in front of his family. That's the way it should be. No one should need to announce or show off their sexual preference. Neither of us goes around announcing we're straight or making a production of our rights, so I don't know why so many gay people feel the need to have gay pride or march in a parade. It's not something I can understand, as a straight person I'd never flaunt it, and if I did I'd be considered homophobic. Are you heterophobic? I think if you did things quietly and blended into society instead of trying to stand out and show you're proud of being gay, people would be more accepting of things, but you force people into trying to understand something that they can't see as natural. I'm going to get a million replies from people flying off the handle and I couldn't care less. I have absolutely no hate in my heart. My opinion is my constitutional right, just as much as yours. And if you'd stop for a minute and think outside your defenses, you'd understand what I'm saying.
Okay, just so you know, this is coming from a person that some may consider a "child"...

I partially agree with the remark about gay and bisexual people flaunting their lovers and such...
But I don't like explaining, so forget that.

"They're at a very vulnerable age where they don't understand things like that."
Children don't understand a lot of things...
They shouldn't be sheltered completely from the world, or they won't be and might never be used to it.

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Old 03-16-2006, 09:15 PM   #50
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Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way, shape or form. I see nothing wrong with choosing who you want to be with. What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display. .
Dear you are way off base. My two children have seen their mother's being affectionate towards each other for 16 and 17 years and they are two of the most awesome children - about to be adults - on the planet. Clearly, it's not the affection, per se, which is the problem, is it?

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Old 03-16-2006, 09:26 PM   #51
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I just don't like how that in the first place everyone thinks that not being straight is unnatural... Whether you're homophobic or homoplilic.
For example, people being overly gernerous and polite to people that are new to the area, three feet tall, or wear back braces, etc...
They just think they're so~ nice...
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Old 03-16-2006, 10:31 PM   #52
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I just don't like how that in the first place everyone thinks that not being straight is unnatural... Whether you're homophobic or homoplilic.
For example, people being overly gernerous and polite to people that are new to the area, three feet tall, or wear back braces, etc...
They just think they're so~ nice...

Well, lemme see...I think being WHO YOU WERE MEANT TO BE is what's natural. I don't believe people CHOOSE to be gay. I think something happens when the fetus is developing that causes it(just as it caused me to be attracted to men)....so, it's natural for that human to be that way. What is NOT natural is pretending to be someone you aren't, making yourself extremely unhappy for the rest of your life. Yeah, yeah...you could say that sexually men and women were made to "BE" together. Well, physically maybe. But when something changes in the womb to allow that person to be attracted to ONLY members of the same sex, well, then...that changes things a little doesn't it?? Having a relationship with someone you love doesn't just have to do with sex. Whether it be your preference or your gender. It means you are attracted to that person, you make each other happy...you'd jump in front of a Mack truck for them(that might hurt though ). It means committing the rest of your life to someone you LOVE. THAT, my dear, is NATURAL.

As for the being extra polite thing....I am no more polite to a little person, a handicapped person, or a person of a different race than I am of someone who looks like me. We are all the same. If I'm in WalMart and I pass someone the right way and make eye contact then I usually smile at them..but not because they are in a wheelchair, or black, or because its two men holding hands. I'd do it if it was one 5'8 avg. looking female. Who cares?? That's the way we all should be. It's the way I was raised.


ETA: Okay..did I misunderstand the above post?? Oh well....I voiced my thoughts...its late and I'm frazzled! Sorry if I misunderstood...
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Old 03-20-2006, 06:10 PM   #53
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Elevationist...I love how you did your pictures in your signature. How did you do that? I also hope things get worked out at WDW and all of you desiring a ceremony in the midst of the Magic can do so!
Thanks! We're keeping our hopes up, too!

As for my signature, I just made it using Adobe Photoshop . I'm fairly decent with the program, so I decided to try making a sort of photo collage using some of my favorite pictures from our Jan. 2005 trip. I've been intending to make a new version of it, using pictures from our most recent WDW journey in Feb. 2006, but haven't had the time... So I'll just file that away under "Coming Soon!"
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