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Old 07-13-2005, 08:32 AM   #1
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**Book Club** Discussion - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

I haven't finished reading it but I wanted to give us a few days of discussion before the new one is released and we start on that one. Mark your calendars for a discussion on August 1st.

The first time I read OOTP I was MAJORLY disappointed. Where was my Harry Potter? Who is this angry young man who replaced him? With my 2nd reading I came to realize that it was still the same Harry, but he was growing up

With my re-reading it now I am only up to Chapter 10 but the thing that jumps out at me the most is Molly Weasley. She is a real Witch in this book, to the point where I can't stand her. I understand she is under a lot of stress, but she is just down right nasty at some points. What really angers me at the end is that she was a BIG proponent of Harry not knowing anything! It is his lack of knowledge though that causes him to act as he does. Had they given him the information all could have been avoided.

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1) Give us a review of the book.

2) How did you feel about Sirius' death? How do you think it will effect Harry in Half-Blood Prince?

3) Do you think Fred and George's joke shop will be a success?

4) What is really going on with Percy?

5) Do you feel Dumbledore should have told Harry everything at the beginning of the book?

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Old 07-13-2005, 08:40 AM   #2
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Ok, I'm back in the book club saddle for this one! Here we go.

1) Give us a review of the book.
I felt like OOTP was the "Empire Strikes Back" of the series. It was overwhelmingly dark but a neccessary addition. It gets us ready for the HBP which I'm sure will have some MAJOR twists that no one sees coming. It was a bit of a let down after GOF (which was my favorite so far), but it was still an incredibly well written book. It seems to me as a "transitional" book from the still midly light hearted GOF to what I think is going to be a more serious HBP.

2) How did you feel about Sirius' death? How do you think it will effect Harry in Half-Blood Prince?
I cried. I admit it! Poor Harry finally has some family and bam! He's gone. I think it will make Harry grow up pretty quickly in HBP - more so than he already has. It's not that he hasn't experienced loss before, but I think this one will be profound for him.

3) Do you think Fred and George's joke shop will be a success?
Eh. I don't really know. It would seem pretty cookie cutter if it was a success - but maybe JKR will use it to be the "fluff" in HBP.

4) What is really going on with Percy?
I don't know and I can't wait to find out. I wanted to reach through the book and hit him! Personally, I think he's going to be the one to bite the big one in HBP.

5) Do you feel Dumbledore should have told Harry everything at the beginning of the book?
Hmmm.... probably not. I don't think Harry was ready to hear it at the beginning. He needed to grow a bit more.

I absolutely can't wait until Friday at midnight.
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Old 07-13-2005, 09:09 AM   #3
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I really liked Molly's character in this book. She was more of a mother to Harry then ever before. She witheld the information for the same reason Dumbeldore did, love. They wanted to protect Harry for as long as they could. I thought her boggart turning into Harry just showed how much she really loved him. I think she might be the next character to die...

I think this book had to be dark. If you think in terms of this being part of seven then this is when the mood changes and it does, conflict has arisen.
I hope the joke shop does well, well enough to where the Weaslys won't have to worry about money! Fred and George seem to know what they are doing, and I think it has its purpose in the story.

I was sad when Sirius died but I don't think he is completly gone. I think that Veil thing will have some secrets revealed later on.


I think Percy will follow where ever the biggest gains are. He is power hungry enough to go against his own family, could he be hungry enough to take up with Voldy? Maybe he is just weak enough to be controled by the Dark Lord? Will shall see.

Maybe DD should have told Harry everything, but I don't think it would have helped. He is still curious, he still would have had the dreams and such.
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I really liked Molly's character in this book. She was more of a mother to Harry then ever before. She witheld the information for the same reason Dumbeldore did, love. They wanted to protect Harry for as long as they could. I thought her boggart turning into Harry just showed how much she really loved him. I think she might be the next character to die...
Oh geez, I hope not! She is very beloved, I can't imagine JKR doing that to Harry's second mother. I found myself teary-eyed early in the book reading about her attempts to maintain order, deal with a very stressful situation and protect the youngsters she loves. As a mom, I can absolutely feel her pain and love her character as if she were an old friend.

As far as Umbridge, she really was evil, wasn't she? I do have to say I loved some of McGonnagal's interactions with her. Gotta love McGonnagal, she is one tough old broad that doesn't take crap from anyone, even that old witch Umbridge.
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Old 07-13-2005, 09:59 AM   #5
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I felt like OOTP was the "Empire Strikes Back" of the series.
LMAO phisigprincess! I was just going over my whole take on the Star Wars/HP parallels with someone who told me I was off my bird.....and here you are making a SW comparison!

If Harry and Hermione end up being twins split that night.....I get one heck of a lunch.....
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I thought the EXACT same thing about Harry when I read OOP. Then, when I realized they were all keeping secrets, I was really impressed with the way he handled everything. Really...how many times have I sat in traffic wishing I could turn that nasty driver into a toad? Imagine being able to do it! I think he showed amazing restraint and forgiveness.

I still think something's not right with Dumbledore. I really think he's a bad guy...I get lots of heat for saying that and I'm probably wrong, but something about him just doesn't sit right with me.

I don't know what to make of Percy. The only thing I can figure is he's been brainwashed to believe that being like his father is a road for being poor and he wants better for himself. So, I think he's been taken in by the people at the Ministry (like Mr. Malfoy) and shown a different lifestyle that he's not willing to give up.

It would be a hoot if Fred and George end up very wealthy and Percy ends up slinking back to them for money and help. It would serve him right if money was his motive.

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Old 07-13-2005, 08:53 AM   #7
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I'm not part of the book club, but I would love to discuss this book if you don't mind me jumping in. I'm actually almost done reading this one (for the 3rd time) to prepare for the Half Blood Prince.

1) Give us a review of the book.

It's ok, not my favorite of the series. I think it has to do with how over the top JKR made the character of Dolores Umbridge. She was just too much and I really couldn't stand to read the parts with her.

2) How did you feel about Sirius' death? How do you think it will effect Harry in Half-Blood Prince?

I was devastated by Sirius's death, he quickly became one of my favorite characters. I think Harry will be greatly affected b/c in the short time that he has come to know Sirius, he has come to depend on him to be there for him for guidance. He will now be on his own again.

3) Do you think Fred and George's joke shop will be a success?

Yes, I do think it will be a success and I think that they will be able to financially help their family, which would put less stress on Arthur and Molly and also give Ron some more confidence. Ron hates being so poor and is embarassed by it and I think if there is some money he will become more self assured and maybe come out of Harry's shadow a bit, if that makes sense.

4) What is really going on with Percy?

I'm not sure about this, but I think Percy feels that his father is a bit of a joke at the Ministry of Magic and doesn't want to be perceived that way so he is going in the extreme opposite direction. Hopefully, he will turn out to be ok, though I have to agree with phisigprincess, I think he might die in the HBP.

5) Do you feel Dumbledore should have told Harry everything at the beginning of the book?

I'm not sure what I feel about this. There is something going on with Dumbledore that I can't figure out. I think Harry does have the right to know everything that is going on since it is about him, but I'm not sure if knowing hinders him or helps him.

Thanks for letting me participate in this discussion.
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It doesn't matter if you're part of the book club or not! Come on in! We just like having a good discussion on the book.
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It doesn't matter if you're part of the book club or not! Come on in! We just like having a good discussion on the book.
Thank you. I really enjoy reading everyone else's opinions and theories.
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I forgot about Umbridge! My hand hurts reading the detention scenes!

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Ugh I know! I wanted to smack her! I don't think she will be gone for good though!
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1) Give us a review of the book.

I haven't read OotP since it was released, but at the time I was struck by the fact it was very Fifteen. Dark, tormented, in-between. Captured what I felt like at that age very well. Like nobody knows how you feel and struggling constantly to feel "right" about things - not be jealous, not be angry. It's why I really liked the whole Snape's memory of James and Sirius. 15 is an age at which you start to realize your family, your mentors, your favorite teachers are not perfect. Coming to terms with the fact that your dad might not always be such a good person, or that he has personality traits that you don't like in your own friends is tough, and I'm betting particularly so for a parent you'd never known. I also loved the introduction of some new female characters -- Tonks (who I hope we learn more about in the next two books); Luna (ditto); and even Umbridge, who I'm sure we haven't hear the last of.

2) How did you feel about Sirius' death? How do you think it will effect Harry in Half-Blood Prince?

I just wasn't bowled over by Sirius dying. So much was going on and everyone was getting hurt (and I was also more upset about Neville getting hit with the Cruciatus curse and the way Bellatrix taunted him about his parents, and Neville was being so brave telling Harry not to hand over the prophecy); furthermore, Sirius has never been a huge sentimental favorite of mine.

As far as my predictions for Sirius in Book 6 and beyond, and looking closely at what Luna says to Harry at the end, especially at how Luna fully expects to see her own dead mother again through the veil, I'll make the prediction that Sirius stays dead. But I do think that he, and perhaps James and Lily, will make a few appearances in Books Six and Seven.

3) Do you think Fred and George's joke shop will be a success?

Absolutely! I also don't think they will only use their awesome inventive talents simply to make joke items. I'm thinking Books 6 and 7 will have our Wizarding world at war, and they will need weapons, and Fred and George will be the guys to invent those weapons. They already made Extendable Ears and even that Portable Swamp could be a useful item in a battle.

4) What is really going on with Percy?

I was absolutely convinced for a good 2/3rds of the book that Percy was not what he seemed and was going to be the one killed. (Someone "close to Harry" but not too close, he would have been perfect.) I figured him for a double agent in the Ministry of Magic who got caught, which is what would get him killed. The hint he sent Ron in his letter, telling him to be sure to read the Prophet had me positive I was right. Instead, he's just a jerk.

5) Do you feel Dumbledore should have told Harry everything at the beginning of the book?

Not really. Dumbledore did what he thought best in order to protect Harry. All parents struggle with the finding the balance between protecting our kids and giving them information that will help them protect themselves.

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1) Give us a review of the book.

I liked OOTP, and I think it was a necessary transition, as I think in Half-Blood Prince, it will get even darker. I think OOTP showed a preview of just how much evil is lurking about (before, the only evil we've really seen is out of Voldemort himself-- now, we saw Umbridge, not to mention all of the Death Eater's in the battle at the end, as well as Fudge's ignorance). I kind of think that OOTP was a transition book of sorts between the books where Harry is still making his transition and learning to understand and fit into the Wizarding world, to the part of the story where he is going to have to step up to his fate to having to SAVE this world he's only been in a few years. I think it was a preview to a lot more that he is going to face.

2) How did you feel about Sirius' death? How do you think it will effect Harry in Half-Blood Prince?

Sirius' death was not that big of a deal to me personally-- maybe its because I was never all that crazy about Sirius to begin with. Now, how will that affect Harry?? I think it will either do one of two things-- the one I think it will likely do is to make him angry toward everyone he feels played a part in his death-- This is a boy who lived his whole life with relatives that hated him. He goes to the Wizarding world and learns about his parents and how they died. Now, as soon as he finds someone to be a parental figure towards him, and he is killed as well. I think that this will cause him to really have the determination to get rid of Voldemort and the Death Eaters because of what they have done to the people he loved.

I think the other thing that could happen is that he can become withdrawn, but I don't think that is likely because I don't think it would be a very good plot device

I also think that Sirius will make *some* sort of appearance in the last two books-- I just don't know what kind of appearance (I still think there is more to that broken mirror then just proving Sirius was dead entirely)


3) Do you think Fred and George's joke shop will be a success?

I think that the joke shop will be *very important*, and it will be one of those things where we go "ah-- I see how that fits in the puzzle." I think that not only is the joke shop going to be a success, but it will also play an important part in the downfall of Voldermort.

4) What is really going on with Percy?

In an interview, J.K. Rowling was asked if Percy was acting on his own, and she replied that unfortunately, he is. I don't think he's turned evil, but I do think that he is so caught up with himself that he will do anything his superiors tell him to do, and he believes that his superiors are infallible. I do believe some of his superiors may be involved with Voldemort, so I think that Percy may be inadvertently helping the Death Eaters without even being aware of it.

I hope he comes to his senses sometime in the next two books!!

5) Do you feel Dumbledore should have told Harry everything at the beginning of the book?

No. I don't think that's in Dumbledore's nature. I think up until the 5th book, we were almost led to believe Dumbledore was an omniscient character in the book, who could do no wrong. I think in this book, we saw that is NOT true at all. Dumbledore made some mistakes, and he now realizes it. I wonder whether he will change in the next two books, or continue to tell only what he feels is meant to be known.

Only a couple more days until Half-Blood Prince!!
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I didn't feel sad at all that Sirius died. I'm such a bad person! I honestly was tired of his whining and 'poor me' attitude. Even to the extent that he made Harry feel bad about going back to Hogwarts! You would think that he, of all people, would understand how important the work of the Order was and just suck it up and take one for the team.
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1) Give us a review of the book.

I enjoyed the book. I think GoF is my favorite of the series, but this one was still very well written. I felt the same way as Amanda when i first read the book about Harry. He's so angry all the time. I couldn't figure out if it was puberty or if it was Voldermort starting to creep into his mind.

2) How did you feel about Sirius' death? How do you think it will effect Harry in Half-Blood Prince?
I was never really attached to him as a character. I felt sad for Harry though. I think Harry is going to become stronger and want some sort of revenge.

3) Do you think Fred and George's joke shop will be a success?
Definitely!

4) What is really going on with Percy?

Not sure, but I would love to find out. Maybe he's been brainwashed andnow working for the dark side.

5) Do you feel Dumbledore should have told Harry everything at the beginning of the book?

No. I think he did the right thing.
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