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Old 03-06-2014, 07:52 PM   #1
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Maximize FP+ make new reservations under a new MDE*see post 227 before posting*

You can get a second set of FP+ if you make your new resort reservation on a different MDE than the one you used last time. If you do this, you can get a second set of MBs which will operate independently from your old set. With the new band, you can get FP+ -- *not* in advance (you can only get one set of those) but rather at the kiosks in the park.

The tricky part is that you have to have valid park tickets linked to an MDE to get advance AP+. If you're using the same tickets (annual passes, for example) that you used on your last visit, this won't work as easily. You'll want to make your resort reservations under the MDE with the park tickets, not a new MDE. So you would have to buy a new set of MBs to get a second set.

If you are using new tickets (or a new AP), make the resort reservation under a new MDE (not the MDE you used last time). Link your new tickets to your new MDE with the new reservation. Make your FP+ in advance ASAP. You'll receive a new set of MBs for that reservation. Then bring your old MBs (from your previous stay) with you to use them in the parks to make same-day FP+ (though availability may not be great). The old MBs can't be used to make FP+ in advance because they are not linked to valid tickets. But they *can* be used for same day FP+ at park kiosks (keep in mind that this may change at any time - which is why buying MBs for this purpose might not be a great idea).

Another way to get a spare set of MBs is if you are planning a split say. If you are making more than one resort reservation for the same trip, make each one under a separate MDE account (you just need separate email addresses to make extra MDE accounts - you don't need to use a different name or address). Then link your tickets to one of the MDEs so that you can pre-book FP+ on those MBs. Do *not* link tickets to the second MDE. You can then use the spare MBs for extra FP+ made same day (SDFP+!) in the parks. (Note that tickets can only be linked to one individual. You can't make a second MDE for the same person and separately link your tickets to the same person twice. You can't make more than one set of FP+ in advance for the same ticket.)

If you link all your reservations to the same MDE, the tickets and the MDEs will refer back to the same set of FP+. The MBs for all those reservations will be clones of each other. You can only get extra FP+ (made at the park kiosks) if you are using MBs that are not clones.

If you want to park hop, you would use only one set of MBs at the first park and reserve others (or your separately linked park tickets) for the second park. (You can get FPs from only one park if your tickets are linked to your MDE).

To make FP+ selections at park kiosks, we recently used two sets of bands from months ago as well as a set from a resort stay that was still a week away at the time. You can also make a set on your park tickets at the kiosks (if those tickets have not been linked to an MDE with a resort reservation).

That gave us each 12 FPs every day from the park kiosks. Visiting kiosks at different times of day brought up a variety of attractions (since people are constantly moving their FP times, making their times available -- for instance, you might well get a Toy Story Mania FP at a kiosk in the late afternoon when another guest has freed it up). There is no guarantee that you'll be lucky. And waiting in line at kiosks is time consuming.

The best scenario would be if you have a split stay (and make the two reservations under two separate MDEs and link tickets to one and use the second set of MBs for same-day FP at kiosks) or if you already have an old set of MBs which were linked to tickets that are now expired. Make your new reservation under a different MDE. Go ahead an link your new tickets to the new MDE/reservation in order to get FP+ in advance as an onsite guest. But bring your old MBs with you and try them at the kiosks in the park to see if they'll work to get another set of FP+. (You can't get FP+ in advance with the old bands, since you don't have an active ticket attached to them.)

If you are staying in a room that accommodates 5 people (for example), it might be a good idea to put 5 people on the reservation, even if only 3 will be present. That way, you'll have 2 extra MBs which would not have linked tickets but which could be used for same-day kiosk FP+. (Not *every person* on the reservation has to link tickets in order for other people on the reservation - who have linked tickets - to make FP+ reservations.) You also can't make FP+ in advance for everyone on the reservation by linking only a ticket for one person -- each person who wants FP+ in advance must have a linked ticket on MDE.

Be aware that when you visit a park kiosk for SDFP+, you will need each band from a set. Previously, you were able to use just one band from a reservation to make FP+ for any guest on that reservation. Now you need each band. You scan them one at a time, then make FP+ for the group. If you want a difficult-to-snag FP+, you might want to scan just two of the bands at a time. It's easier for the system to find you two FP+ together than four. And if you have four in your group, you won't be offered anything less than four. Then you can try back later for a second set for the other two people in your group.

Be aware that Disney may change the way the system operates before you arrive -- and you'll find that your MBs won't function unless your tickets are linked. At the moment, the system allows SDFP+ to be made with unlinked MBs that can be used as extra FP+.

However, the most important thing is to get your FP+ in advance by linking your tickets to your upcoming reservation. It would be miserable to try to use only SDFP+ as availability continues to shrink. So this won't work for guests who either:
1. Don't already have a set of MBs from a previous trip that are linked to old tickets
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2. Don't plan a split stay (for which separate MDEs are used to book each stay and tickets are linked to only one of the MDEs).
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3. Have already made their new reservation under their ticket-linked MDE. You can't unlink tickets (except for special event tickets) once they've been linked to an MDE.

At this time, Disney doesn't give you an option to refuse a set of Magic Bands for each stay. If you make 10reservations under the same MDE, you'll get 10 sets of MBs -- all of which will be linked to your tickets -- all will be clones of each other. You might have 10 different bands assigned to each person in your family -- but you can still only get one set of FP+ in advance. So it makes sense to maximize use of the bands they're going to send you anyway, by making some reservations under one or more separate MDEs (which do not have linked tickets). The MBs sent for those reservations will not be linked to tickets (so again, they can't be used for the golden advance FP+). If they're not linked to tickets, they're not clones.

Remember that the FP+ in advance are all you really want. These extras are just scraps. So it's not worth rebooking your reservation or even booking a throwaway room. But if you're going to get additional MBs anyway, then consider picking up a few scraps with SDFP+.

Go to page 36 of the thread for an illustration of how this might work for a family.

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Old 03-06-2014, 07:59 PM   #2
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I thought you couldn't make FP+ selections unless you had tickets tied to MDE? I'm not sure I follow what you are saying about the old magic bands, as those are tied to the account as well.
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Interesting indeed I don't understand are all your magic bands associated with the same ticket... but different mde accounts.. I don't see how this works please explain?
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Is there any way to "unlink" your tickets??
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Old 03-06-2014, 09:06 PM   #5
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Is there any way to "unlink" your tickets??
You'd have to cancel and rebook your resort stay. (Hey -- then you'd have an extra set of Magic Bands!) But that would be a lot of work. And the advance reservations are a much easier option. You don't have to get to the park early if you don't want to. Using the kiosks means getting there early. After about 11:00 a.m., it's trickier to get the "E ticket" rides.
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I think what they are saying is to purchase your park tickets separately. Not as part of a package with the room.

Works great, unless you want a dining plan or a discount that applies only to packages, like free dining.

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And if you want to park hop, you would use only one set of MBs at the first park and reserve others for the second park.
Are not all bands assigned to you linked to one account? Is the suggestion regarding having multiple accounts? (Edited now that I see the OP is indeed suggesting having multiple MDX accounts)

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And then there's if you have a child that is let's say 5-ish or under they don't need a FP+ at all because CM aren't going grill every small child without a FP+ if they are under 3 years old or not. That frees up their FP+ for the whole day!
I take it this suggestion is to pass off your children up to age 5 as two year olds, because they won't ask. Not sure I'd recommend that.

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Old 03-07-2014, 10:43 AM   #7
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I think what they are saying is to purchase your park tickets separately. Not as part of a package with the room.

Works great, unless you want a dining plan or a discount that applies only to packages, like free dining.



Are not all bands assigned to you linked to one account? Is the suggestion regarding having multiple accounts? Using different sets of bands makes no sense to me. All the bands read the same thing.
You can add the dining plan to your resort reservation without park tickets. By the way, a glitch that actually works in favor of guests is the fact that the dining plan will give you refillable mugs that work for two weeks. When you use the mug, the screen will tell you on what date the mugs will stop working. With even a one night stay on the dining plan, you get two weeks with a mug. This is how the system works. So work the system and have your dining plan night at the beginning of your stay and use the mug for the whole stay. The mugs work at any resort. And you can pick up your mug with your MB at any resort.

We haven't done free dining (since it's not really free -- you pay through the nose with higher resort rates), so I don't know if that requires park tickets. I don't know why it would.

And using a different set of MBs in order to park hop only works because the resort reservations were made with different MDEs and none are linked to tickets. This is a loophole that will be closed at some point, surely. But this is how it works now.
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I think what they are saying is to purchase your park tickets separately. Not as part of a package with the room.

Works great, unless you want a dining plan or a discount that applies only to packages, like free dining.



Are not all bands assigned to you linked to one account? Is the suggestion regarding having multiple accounts? (Edited now that I see the OP is indeed suggesting having multiple MDX accounts and multiple park tickets)



I take it this suggestion is to pass off your children up to age 5 as two year olds, because they won't ask. Not sure I'd recommend that.
I was joking about the age thing. . my point is with FP+ it adds another element of bonus for having an under 3. They don't need FP+ to ride. I think some people are honest enough to buy the ticket for the 4 year old but don't see the harm of abusing the FP+ system. We were able to use a left over single FP+ to take our 2 year old (really 2 year old) on things.
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Are you saying if you don't link a ticket to your mde then you never have to link it all.... making the reservation in the park does not make you connect your ticket to your band?
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I thought you needed a valid park ticket attached to the band/card to be able to book FP, whether on the app or the kiosk. So you just brought old bands with no ticket attached and they were able to book at the kiosk?
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I thought you needed a valid park ticket attached to the band/card to be able to book FP, whether on the app or the kiosk. So you just brought old bands with no ticket attached and they were able to book at the kiosk?
You only need the park ticket attached to book the FP online in advance of your stay. And people are obviously very interested in doing that. But you don't have to.

The old bands from previous resort stays never had tickets attached. They all worked to book FPs at the kiosks.

This is how it works right now. Maybe they'll change it. But since most people really like the option of booking in advance, they may not need to change it. Most people will just be linking the tickets.

This reminds me of the old days when paper fast passes never expired. Officially, they had an expiration time. Unofficially, any cast member would tell you that you could bring that piece of paper back at any time, even years later -- and as long as you were entering the attraction *after* the window opening time printed on the ticket, it would expire. I learned that unwritten policy here on the DIS! That was years ago when the parks weren't so crowded and they could be laid back about such things.
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Are you saying if you don't link a ticket to your mde then you never have to link it all.... making the reservation in the park does not make you connect your ticket to your band?
That's right. You are under no obligation to link your park tickets to your resort stay. And the Magic Bands are intended to work on and on -- for two years after your resort stay. The idea is, eventually, that you'll be encouraged to return with the same MBs. (Which we will all do when they start charging for MBs!)

You enter the park with your park passes. (If you haven't linked your tickets to your MBs, your MBs wouldn't work to get you into the park, obviously.) Then you walk up to the FP+ kiosk areas (which are not near the park entrances, btw -- which kind of surprised me) with any MBs and they work -- you don't enter a password or anything like that. It doesn't matter that you didn't use them to enter the park. They work at the kiosks all by themselves. You'll be offered various FP options. The cast members are extremely helpful and generally do all the manipulation on the screen for you. After you get the MB set of FP+, you use your park tickets for a separate set of FPs. I don't like to stand there and make the various sets at the same time because it's rude to hog the FP+ area. I usually make one set at a time. And an advantage to going back a little later (there are lots of changes in availability even in a few minutes) is that you'll be given different choices.

They don't print you a list of your FP times. You have to photograph the screen. When you do that, follow up with a photo of your MBs or your park ticket so you'll remember which FPs are associated with which set of bands or park passes.
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Interesting indeed I don't understand are all your magic bands associated with the same ticket... but different mde accounts.. I don't see how this works please explain?
The magic bands are NOT associated with the same ticket. This is the important part. They are not associated with ANY ticket. They are just Magic Bands from your past, current, or future resort stay. You don't have to link tickets to your MDE. Just use it to make ADRs and manage your resort reservation. You don't use the Magic Band to enter the park, you use your park ticket. You just use the Magic Band at the FP+ kiosks after you enter the park with your ticket. And, separately, the park ticket. The MB will get a set of FPs, the park tickets will get a different set.

If you are getting the park passes as a package with your resort stay, this won't work. You want a free standing Magic Band and a free standing ticket -- not linked to each other.
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The magic bands are NOT associated with the same ticket. This is the important part. They are not associated with ANY ticket. They are just Magic Bands from your past, current, or future resort stay. You don't have to link tickets to your MDE. Just use it to make ADRs and manage your resort reservation. You don't use the Magic Band to enter the park, you use your park ticket. You just use the Magic Band at the FP+ kiosks after you enter the park with your ticket. And, separately, the park ticket. The MB will get a set of FPs, the park tickets will get a different set.

If you are getting the park passes as a package with your resort stay, this won't work. You want a free standing Magic Band and a free standing ticket -- not linked to each other.
So my old set of MBs were linked to a package (resort/ticket/dining) in Sept 2013. But my two new sets of MBs are (or will be when they get here) room only reservations. I haven't bought tickets yet, and I definitely won't link them if you think this will work.

Do you think the fact that the MBs once were linked to a package (park days long since used up) ruins it?
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