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Old 11-30-2013, 01:04 PM   #1
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Disney Wonder Nov 16-23: To Galveston and Beyond!

Second time cruiser, first time reporter! Got back last week from the Disney Wonder's Western Caribbean cruise out of Galveston. During our long wait I obsessed with trip reports so thought I'd try my hand. Not to mention I'm so not ready for the experience to be over so this will be my attempt to hang on to that vacation bliss for as long as possible.

This vacation was along time in the planning and there were several times that it looked like it might have to be postponed or cancelled. Imagine my delight when the alarm went off at 3 am and it was finally time to head to the airport. Okay, it was 3 am. Maybe delight isn't the right term.

Two years ago we took our first cruise - a 5 night repositioning cruise from Vancouver to LA on the Disney Wonder. As we live close to Vancouver this seemed a good intro to test the waters and see if we'd even like cruising. We were barely on board when my (then) 10 year old declared it the best vacation ever! Now in all fairness we hadn't been on many vacations that didn't involve visiting relatives so it wasn't like there was a lot to compare it to. But point taken and we booked a dummy date on that cruise, intending to move it to a spring break 2013 Mexican Riviera cruise. We really wanted to do the Mexican Riviera and couldn't wait for the new itineraries to come out.

What? Wait? They stopped doing the Mexican Riviera? Well <insert swear words here>, now what do we do? For a while we had a reservation on the May 2013 LA to Vancouver repo cruise. But it wasn't filling our hearts with joy. We wanted something more exciting. Then DCL announced Galveston as a new home port and that piqued my curiousity, perhaps because I had no clue where Galveston was. After I checked a map, then I also checked our airmiles and discovered it would cost us the same amount of points to fly to Houston as it would to fly to LA. Hmm...this was getting interesting. And we could sail to the Caribbean. The Caribbean! We could have a Pirates in the Caribbean party IN THE CARIBBEAN! This idea now held our full attention. The only downside would be an extra six months wait. But what the heck. We'd been waiting this long - what's another few months. And the kids didn't even know we had a cruise booked, so really it was just DH and I that would go nuts. And we were mostly there already...

So in September 2012 we emailed our long suffering TA again and moved our reservation to the Nov 9 cruise out of Galveston. There. That's it. Done. We nodded confidently to each other, no more moving our reservations. We had made our decision.

That lasted two months and then Disney changed our cruise to a Bahamas itinerary. Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Castaway Cay was intriguing but it wasn't the CARIBBEAN. We wanted the Caribbean (in case you hadn't noticed). So once more unto ... the TA for another change and another week added to our countdown.

So still almost a year away and I couldn't shake the feeling that maybe we weren't meant to take this cruise. But we proceeded to make plans: booked our flights the first day they were released, booked a hotel about seven months out. Obsessed over the Magic Navigators and jumped from excursion plans to excursion plans.

The summer was flying by and then crisis! An emergency vet bill put the whole trip into doubt. I was glad we hadn't told the kids about the cruise yet because then we wouldn't have to tell them about cancelling it. Mostly happy ending: old dog survived his surgery and bounced back with flying colours and the final bill came in at the lower end of the estimate (still more than the cost of the cruise!). So we held on to our holiday money and instead paid the bill with the money saved for Dh's dental work. I'm so grateful for the sacrifices my wonderful husband accepts that I make on his behalf. Oh, and our other dog now has medical insurance, you know, just in case.

So time plodded on. We joined the Facebook group, FEs were discussed, countdowns were started, money was put aside...and DH and I struggled with that age old question: When do we tell the kids? Now we didn't intend to surprise them. We hadn't actually intended on keeping it a secret but apparently my kids were oblivious to the fact that we had made a future booking so we decided not to bring it to their attention as two years is a long time for a kid to wait. I wanted to share the planning and excitement with them so they needed to have a bit of advance notice. We settled on telling them at the end of August, just before school went in. Now, how to tell them? Oh, we threw all sorts of ideas around, from the boring to the ridiculous! Some days we just wanted to scream it out just to distract them from fighting/whining/annoying us. But we didn't. And DH was having too much fun throwing out obscure hints that went right over their heads (Girls, did you know that allspice in French is poivre de Jamaïque?)

I had previously compiled our first cruise videos into one home movie. I then made up a second video, with photos and music representing the three ports we'd visit: Jamaica, Grand Cayman & Cozumel - and then added it at the end of the original video. We got Grandma involved in our little conspiracy and managed to get the kids to sit down while we played our cruise video on the TV because Grandma hasn't seen it yet.

We were pleased with the response!

So there, now everyone knew about the trip. All that was left was the packing. Well, and making FEs, and organizing for the housesitter, and trying to get caught up at work, and...and...and...and...yes, at one point I told the kids that we were never taking another holiday because it was just so much WORK! Fortunately, they didn't believe me.
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Old 11-30-2013, 02:02 PM   #2
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Ah yes, so back to 3am on departure day! Our flight left at 6am so we were aiming to be at the airport by 4:30am. DH didn't think we needed to get there quite that early but I get very antsy on travel days and can't relax until we're at the airport so 4:30 it was! We let the kids sleep in their clothes so they didn't even have to get dressed. I did insist they brush their hair & teeth. I do have some standards! They were reasonably easy to get out of bed, even as tired as they were. Much easier to get them up at 3am to go to the airport than at 7am to go to school. Heh, go figure!

My mom lives in a condo just five minutes from the airport so we drove there and left our car in the underground parking lot. We had phoned to arrange a cab to meet us there to take us to the airport. As we pulled up to the condo, the cab was sitting waiting for us! The first of many connections that went perfectly over the course of the trip!

Then to the airport, got bags checked (Score! The big suitcase was 2 lbs over the weight limit but the check-in person just shrugged and sent it through!). Lined up for security. It wasn't extremely busy but there were more people there than I would have expected at that gawd awful time. My 8 year old was having an attack of nerves by this point so now she was getting teary about missing Angelo (our cat), scared of going through security, worried about flying on a plane. Now I'm nervous about flying as well but I put on my best confident, reassuring mommy voice as we went through the security check. Then there was a beep and wow, we got picked as the family of the day. Well, not quite. You haven't lived till you get asked "body scan or pat down?". For the record, DH chose the body scanner, I took the pat down (I appreciate the personal touch!). Luckily they just took a hand swab from the kids. I tried to figure out what we did to get picked but DH said it was 'totes random'.

So to our gate to sit and begin the first of many hurry-up-and-waits of the day. I think it was about an hour before we heard the boarding announcement. Finally, onto the plane for our long, international flight of ... 25 minutes. Basically 12 minutes up and 12 minutes down...and then we were in Seattle! For some reason they made us pick up our suitcases, carry them about 20 feet, and put them on another belt - all this while inside of security. We kept the faith that our bags would meet us in Houston (spoiler alert: they did!) and got into the long line to clear customs. We entertained ourselves for a few minutes listening to two security guards trying to explain to an (obviously non-English speaking) passenger that no, she couldn't just skip the customs line-up. Our big excitement was finally getting a stamp in our passports! Our previous cross border trips were by car/ship so our passports had remained depressingly blank.

SeaTac is a large airport so we stopped for directions to our departure gate. It involved three trains. Three. Surprisingly quickly and efficiently we got to our correct terminal.

We had an almost 4 hour wait until our flight to Houston so we grabbed a table at the restaurant, ordered something to pick at and experimented with our phones in flight mode and free wi-fi.

Still not a lot of conversation happening....


Then we walked around a bit, checked out the stores and stuff -- whatever it takes to kill time.

"Some day my plane will come..."


We so wanted to fly on the fish plane


Sticking with the fish theme, this was the most gorgeous salmon I've ever seen. Of course, we don't usually see them made out of glass!


Eventually it was onto the plane. Girls were happy because we paid for the movie players. One each because we didn't want to listen to squabbling. K fell asleep at one point so I hooked her player and had just started watching a movie when she woke up and reclaimed it. Darn. Kids have all the fun.
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Old 11-30-2013, 07:05 PM   #3
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We landed at 4:15 pm at IAH (aka George Bush Intercontinental), a few minutes early. I had reserved a car service to pick us up at 5pm, thinking that would give us time to pick up our luggage and use the bathrooms, etc. (I refuse to pee in those tiny little cupboards on the plane unless it’s a dire emergency!). But as we rode down the escalator to the baggage claim, K was the first to spot him: our driver standing there waiting for us! Score: no waiting! José helped carry our luggage the …oh…30 second walk to our ride: double score: a Cadillac Escalade - stretch! Now that was a comfy ride. Add a bathroom and a minibar and they would have had a hard time getting me out of there!

It was a long drive to Galveston, landing as we did in the middle of rush hour. Jose took us past the new baseball field and football field. I remember watching a baseball game in the Astrodome last time I was in Houston. That was… oh, I dunno…close to 40 years ago! Man, I feel old.

We made good time on the drive, mostly because José could stay in the HOV lane as long as it lasted. Once past Houston I started recognizing the names on the exit signs from my two years of obsessing: League City, Webster, Texas City, Clear Lake….We pointed out the NASA exit to the girls as we were planning on stopping there on the return trip. Not that we wanted to think about the return trip quite yet.

It was dark before we reached Galveston but we could see the lights of the Island. And then suddenly we were over the bridge and IN GALVESTON!

We had a reservation at the Harbor House hotel but our driver wasn’t sure where the entrance to the hotel was. There’s a parking lot beside it but it’s gated and we didn’t think we could get in (the next day we realized there’s an intercom button at the gate to ask the front desk to let you in. Heh, would have been good to know) so José pulled up at the curb as close as he could to let us out. Kids and I ran ahead to figure out where the lobby was while DH dealt with the suitcases.

The lobby is quite small – our suitcases pretty much took up all the free room! Check in was quick and painless and we hopped into the elevator to check out room 206! I was ecstatic. We had exactly the view I was hoping for: right out to the harbour where the cruise ships dock.



Our room was more spacious than I expected and clean and comfortable. The bathroom was a little cramped. If our girls had been older there might have been conflicts with mirror time but fortunately they’re not teenagers. Yet.

Sorry, I never manage to get photos before we mess up the place.


After a minimal unpack/organize we went in search of sustenance. A wonderful thing about this hotel is you do not need to go far! There are at least three good restaurants within a stone’s throw of the lobby. And I throw like a girl so you know that has to be close!

We checked out the menus at Willie G’s and Nonno Tony’s. Dh got very excited at the ‘happy hour until 7pm’ menus. We decided on Nonno Tony’s and there was still 10 minutes to order a $3 martini! We had a lovely meal here, I believe I had the tilapia (or I could have the grouper for an upcharge….a $32 upcharge…so I had the tilapia) and a green apple martini. Yes, I like girly martinis. Deal with it. I confused our server (who was awesome by the way and I’m so sorry I didn’t get his name) by asking for vinegar for my fries. Apparently in Texas this is an unusual request. He offered to go into the kitchen and get me a dish of vinegar but I told him not to worry about it because I didn’t want him cursing the damn tourists.

As we finished dinner, the long day caught up so us so it was back to the hotel to call it a day. We slept well that night, finally feeling like we were really on vacation.
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Great TR so far! Can't wait to read more!
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Welcome aboard! I've done nothing but mope since we got home. Hopefully this will help me get it out of my system, or at least keep me busy until we can book the next cruise!
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The bacon and brie panini alone is enough reason to cruise with Disney.

I was debating doing a trip report for my family's experience on this cruise but I never finished my first trip report so I think I'm just going to read yours and enjoy. Back to searching your pics for my group.
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The bacon and brie panini alone is enough reason to cruise with Disney.

I was debating doing a trip report for my family's experience on this cruise but I never finished my first trip report so I think I'm just going to read yours and enjoy. Back to searching your pics for my group.
Yes, I wanted to talk to you about that! You had a great trip report going - I loved the WDW photos....and then ... and then.... nothing <sob>...

But I understand now. These are hard work! It's tough trying to find time to write it up before I forget everything. Thank heavens for digital photos. ... I can generally piece together what we did during the day by looking at when the photos were taken.
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Nov 16 - Day 1 Navigators!

Oops...I titled this one wrong. That probably won't be the last time LOL

We gathered up our stuff and trooped down to deck 7 to find our stateroom. It didn't take long as it was just around the corner from the stairs! Well, that's handy!

And welcome to our home away from home...while it was still tidy(ish). The top of the desk quickly disappears under stuff as the week goes on.

I know that table can be raised or lowered, but either it was stuck or I wasn't doing it right so it stayed like that for the entire week.

Not much of a view yet


Yay, we got a pirate pic!


Our "Welcome Back" card!



Prezzies!


How'd they know Chip 'n Dale are my favourite?

There was a keychain as well in the backpack, but I think it disappeared into one of the kids treasure trove. I'll find it some day when I shovel out their room!

And this most definitely is NOT a prezzie!

The infamous red pillow! Everyone was cautioned DO NOT TAKE THIS PILLOW. And every damn time DH saw a room steward with an open stateroom, he wanted me to create a distraction so he could pilfer one from another room. I did not go along with this plan so if anyone got charged for a missing pillow, IT WASN'T US! Unless it's that squishy package that DH put under the tree for me. Hmmmm...

Our luggage hadn't arrived yet so we emptied out our carry ons and organized as best we could. Our FE came out to mark our door as home. Our poor FE - made for our first cruise out of tea towels & liquid stitch. I may need to use more liquid stitch.

Oh, and bathroom supplies! Our stateroom host did bring extra shampoo and conditioner, but we never got any more of the lotion. The girls were fighting over it so mommy made it 'disappear'.
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The kids were antsy to visit the clubs so we started out at the Oceaneer Lab and Club open house. The kids showed us around as we hadn’t seen much other than the pirate ship on the last cruise.





This is where they put the bad kids, I guess.

Then we had to go down to deck 2 to check out the Edge. V looked around while we talked to a YAC from Canada! She let us know that V should come back at midnight because they were going to be doing an arcade night. Yeah, midnight. “Can I go, mom? Can I?” Sure…<snicker>…if you can stay awake, you can go. (Remember that - it will come up again later!)





Anyway, now it was mom & dad’s turn to check out the Spa. And..um…yeah...and…I may or may not have taken my kids through the quiet cove area. Yikes! We got turned around on Deck 9 and I suddenly realized we were in the adult area, and in my panic (yes, panic! That’s what being on the disboards does to you!) I couldn’t think fast enough to figure out how to get back and up to Deck 10 and the Spa. DH didn’t realize this was A BIG DEAL so I took my cue from him and tried to look like a newbie and just kept the kids walking. So if you were in the quiet cove area and were scandalized by the appearance of my kids, then I apologize. It was all my fault. I plead first day excitement/ignorance. And I swear, they never set foot in there again!

Whew, glad to get that off my chest!

It was very crowded up in the Spa area and I think they were trying to encourage people to flow through in a clockwise direction. So of course we went through counter-clockwise. Yep, that's us making friends all over the place….! It was too crowded to get a good feel for the spa and we just wanted to get out of there. And really, let’s face it…we were just there to get our name in for the raffle….

Back before we had things like vet bills and stuff, we had grand ideas of booking the romantic villa and spending some alone time. Instead, our dog got a tummy tuck. We did poke our head in to see one of the villas…and got cornered into a sale pitch for a martian mud facial or some such thing...damn. We smiled politely and extricated ourselves as quickly as we could.

We had very good intentions and spent some time wandering through the fitness centre.



Unfortunately K had managed to deconstruct her lanyard so DH spent most of this part of the tour trying to put it back together
(there may or may not have been some shockingly un-Disneylike language involved)

That was the last we saw of the fitness centre for the week. Too bad, as the view from the treadmills/bikes is spectacular! Maybe next time.

By now we’d had enough of the crowd and took off before the raffle, so hopefully they didn’t draw our name. I guess we’ll never know. It was almost drill time so checked back at the stateroom to find our suitcases had found us!

We threw some magnets on our door and headed up for the muster drill.
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Best trip report ever! Mind if I snag the pics of my little guy to throw up on Facebook? It was the whole time the entire trip I didn't have my camera with me.
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Please, go ahead Glad I had a couple for you! But tell me, did your DH get picked for any dancing this time ?
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First Sea Day!

So, what's the first thing I hear in the morning from V? A very aggrieved "why didn't you wake me for the arcade?!?!?!"

I tried to explain - she didn't believe me at first because she didn't remember any of it! And I had no one to back me up because K & DH had been sleeping. She eventually gave me the benefit of the doubt, the detail about going to the airport seemed to ring a faint memory with her...

Monsters U was playing at 9am so that seemed to be a good way to ease into the day. It was okay, but glad we hadn't paid to see it.

After movies, we were getting hungry so up to Beach Blanket Buffet for a fresh air breakfast.

Humid much?

Note to self: Carry lens cloth with you EVERYWHERE!

Some random ship photos:





After our late breakfast, K wanted to go to the Lab so DH & I took V to Diversions to find a game to play. We ended up with Yahtzee but there were no paper or instructions in it. Thankfully DH has a good memory and remembered the rules, mostly. We scored with pencil & paper from the bar. What a great way to spend some time. There never seems to be enough of it at home to sit and relax and actually enjoy your kids. Sadly, we got our butts whipped by DH (at the game, that is) but that's pretty normal. It's also why we never play for money.

At noon we pried K out of the lab and went up to poolside for some lunch: chicken strips and a tray of nibblies from BBB.

The Edge was having a scavenger hunt at 1pm so V ditched us for that and K went back to the Lab.

And DH and I went to our first nominal!

Martini Tasting in the Cadillac Lounge!



The tasting was led by Ivan, who is fantastically entertaining.
Turns out he's leaving ship in January so if you're cruising soon, stop by to say hi.

I'm not generally a martini fan, but I love the martini tasting. Bottom row, left to right: the first one is the traditional martini. I drink down as far as the olive, then I have to hand it over to DH (I can't stand olives). The others are more to my liking. I wonder what they were? LOL

The second one from the left (the clear one) was mighty powerful! I remember that much. [DH chimed in to let me know it was a vodka martini!] Then there was a chocolate martini! (very popular), I think a green apple martini? and the last one was passionfruit or pomegranate. Sigh...so much for a detailed report.


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Afterwards, we walked (staggered?) back to the cabin to meet up with V. DH was feeling badly for her about missing the arcade night so he bought an arcade card for her, and she entertained herself there as we popped into the Quiet Cove (kidless! Please note, we were kidless - this time!) for today's drink of the day: a Cool Breeze. Dh is actually having a beer, but that's my drink of the day on the table.


You see, I had a To Do list that I made up before we left. One of my must do's was to have the drink of the day, every day. Spoiler alert: I succeeded! I need more to-do lists like that at home.

By now V had gone through her arcade card so we popped down to Wavebands for BINGO. For $50 (maybe $60?) at Bingo we got one electronic board and two sets of paper boards/cards.

V played the electronic one but DH and I are more conventional and punched out the numbers.



This was a Spa bingo so lots of free goodies being handed out - but not to us. Good thing its fun to play because we never win LOL.

By the time we were done there it was time to fetch K and herd everyone back to the stateroom to get everyone cleaned up and into our fancy duds for Formal Night. DH looked sharp in his tux. I haven't seen him in a tux since our wedding so it was love at first sight all over again

As we sailed through the Atrium on the way to the Golden Mickeys show, we discovered that there's trays of cosmos (and another drink that I've forgotten, because I was drinking cosmos) wandering through the Captains Welcome Reception in the Atrium.

Would I like a drink? Oooh yes please!

Et voilà, I had a (free) drink for the show.

And for those smarty pants who are thinking "but if you're coming from deck 7, you don't go through the Atrium on the way to the theatre"....To them I reply, 'you do when there's free cosmos being handed out!'



We even got to the theatre in time for the girls to be interviewed on the red carpet.

There's just no living with them now!



We had missed the Golden Mickeys on our last cruise, due to a certain someone who shall remained nameless but happened to be violently ill that night (okay, it was V!) so we were really looking forward to finally seeing it. DH was feeling a little concerned that he wasn't seeing a lot of men in formal wear. As we were enjoying our drink and waiting for the show to start, another gentleman in a tux came over to shake his hand. The upper classes must stick together and all that LOL...What was funnier was he came from the same part of the world as us!

(okay, everyone into a chorus of It's a Small World...')


Ha, now you're all mad at me cause you have that song going through your head.

Ah, my work here is done.

After the show (which was wonderful! One of my faves, tho I admit I do like them all) we wandered back through the Atrium.

Oooh, a drink? Why, yes, don't mind if I do!

However, we weren't just trolling for drinks at this point (maybe a little). One of the other items on the To Do list was FORMAL PHOTOS! Is it too much for a mother to ask to have everyone cleaned up and looking snazzy for a photo? Apparently not as my family cooperated enthusiastically!

You get the picture. And so did we. Yay, now we have something to put in our Christmas cards!


There were also the poses where they have the girls do the hands on the hip thing. The turned out looking dumb, but not as dumb as having DH do the rapper arm cross LOL. We didn't buy those ones or I'd have a visual aid to help explain. This is where you just have to use your imagination.

Oh yeah, and don't our shoes look lovely? I think that was the last time we wore them (more like the only time) as omg were they uncomfortable. I figured the kids would be the first to give up on theirs, as we had bought them new just before the cruise (and V's were bought against maternal advice!) but they had promised to wear them for the photos. Mine were hand me downs from my mom and had been soooo comfy to wear at home. They got pitched in the garbage at the end of the cruise, you know...to save on packing space LOL . So again, if you were horrified at a family running around in stocking feet on formal night, yeah, that was us. DH was the lone hold out. I believe he made it through the evening fully shod.

After the photos, we may or may not have snagged another cosmo (okay, yes we did) and then ran into a FB group friend in the Promenade Lounge so sat and socialized for a bit while we waited for dinner.

I will say I much preferred having the late dining. There seemed to be more time to do things, and to have time for a drink before dinner and relax. The only downside was we did seem to arrive late to the evening parties i.e. Pirate Party. But that's still a couple of days away so forget I said that!

Dinner was in Animators Palette tonight.



Sadly, I have no recollection of what any of us ate, nor do I have any food photos. I love food porn on the disboards. But I haven't mastered the art of photographing &/or remembering my meals. When it is served, I'm too busy eating it to stop and think of photos. I apologize for that. I will say I didn't have anything that I didn't enjoy. Some things were delicious, some things were okay, but everything was eaten with gusto.

Another item on the To Do list was to enjoy a nightcap each night in a different lounge. This turned out to be an enormous FAIL. We didn't manage to stay awake long enough for a nightcap until the last night. Oops...spoilers!

Oh oh oh...had to come back and edit because I'd forgotten we DID do something after dinner.

Back to the cabin to check the map:


Then we put on our comfy clothes and went to Studio Sea...for Karaoke Night! V used to sing in a choir and has a pretty darn good voice. She does. I don't. She wanted to sing. I didn't. She picked her song - Bryan Adams' Summer of '69 and then we waited for her turn. What a great supportive environment - everybody was cheered and applauded. And then V started to get stage fright.

- Mommy, come up and sing with me!
What the...yeah, NO.
- Please please, Mommy.
sigh...okay

So I got up and sang with her. I am so, so sorry. But I didn't sing long. Once she got going, then I just...stopped. She was very peeved with me but she kept on till the end of the song.

Then it must have been back to the cabin to say good night to our towel friend:

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