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Old 05-14-2013, 08:35 AM   #1
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How the Rich skip the lines at Disney - rent a disabled tour guide.

Wonder what the Dis will think of this:

Quote: “My daughter waited one minute to get on ‘It’s a Small World’ — the other kids had to wait 2 1/2 hours,” crowed one mom, who hired a disabled guide through Dream Tours Florida.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...ZRkIVc1zItXGDP
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:37 AM   #2
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This was just on Fox News. It's sad what people will do.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:46 AM   #3
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It is sad. What makes it worse is that Disney is so politically correct that they don't even say anything to people that do these types of things. The wheelchairs and scooters are such a source of abuse at Disneyworld.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:10 AM   #4
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Doesn't surprise me one bit.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:20 AM   #5
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2.5 hours for Small World? Something's fishy about this article! :-)

While I am sure people would do this (as the previous poster said, it doesn't really surprise, sadly), our experience when we went with my nephew, who needs a wheelchair to walk any distance, was that it took us more time to get on some rides. Of course it differed from ride to ride, and it wasn't really peak season, and it was 7 or 8 years ago. I am sure there are times and rides where the scheme "pays off".

Aren't there legitimate guides from Disney or other places that can provide the same kind of service legitimately through the fastpass system?
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:24 AM   #6
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2.5 hours for Small World? Something's fishy about this article! :-)

While I am sure people would do this (as the previous poster said, it doesn't really surprise, sadly), our experience when we went with my nephew, who needs a wheelchair to walk any distance, was that it took us more time to get on some rides. Of course it differed from ride to ride, and it wasn't really peak season, and it was 7 or 8 years ago. I am sure there are times and rides where the scheme "pays off".

Aren't there legitimate guides from Disney or other places that can provide the same kind of service legitimately through the fastpass system?
Disney guides are $300 an hour, this article says that the moms hired these "guides" for $130 an hour.

For anyone who thinks it is an advantage to be in the parks in a wheelchair because you get to the front of the line I suggest you actually go to the parks in a wheelchair when you can't walk. I have, before my back surgery, and when we go with my MIL we have to use a wheelchair for her. It isn't as great as people think it is, in fact being there in a wheelchair flat out sucks.

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Old 05-14-2013, 09:28 AM   #7
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Doesn't surprise me one bit.
Me neither actually.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:33 AM   #8
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Oh wow. Hold on...

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Old 05-14-2013, 09:17 AM   #9
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Disney has to be politically correct or risk getting sued. It is the people who are at fault not Disney. This is what's wrong with society these days. The tour company should be banned from Disney parks if they are running that kind of business. I don't know who's worse the tour company or the people who are booking them. Makes me sad when people act so selfish
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:45 AM   #10
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“My daughter waited one minute to get on ‘It’s a Small World’ — the other kids had to wait 2 1/2 hours,” crowed one mom, who hired a disabled guide through Dream Tours Florida.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...ZRkIVc1zItXGDP
Doesn't pass the eyeball test. Somebody is fibbing here.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:34 AM   #11
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I use an ECV regularly.

Almost all attraction lines are "mainstreamed" where I will go all the way to "Load" in my ECV.

If it is a ride type attraction, at Splash Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Toy Story Midway Mania, Figment, Dinosaur, Safari, and Buzz Lightyear I will go most of the way through the regular line and then be diverted. And often the waiting after diversion from the main line is longer than the main line wait.

At Big Thunder Mountain, it's a small world, and Spaceship Earth there is a special line. Yes, the wait on these special lines may not be as long as the regular queue, but it is still not immediate access.

If it is a show there will be special seating area. I have had times when I have had to wait for a next show while people who were in line behind me were let in as there was no more accessible seating available.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:55 AM   #12
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I use an ECV regularly.

Almost all attraction lines are "mainstreamed" where I will go all the way to "Load" in my ECV.

If it is a ride type attraction, at Splash Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Toy Story Midway Mania, Figment, Dinosaur, Safari, and Buzz Lightyear I will go most of the way through the regular line and then be diverted. And often the waiting after diversion from the main line is longer than the main line wait.
My experience with my father in law two years ago was different with his ECV at several of these.

At Haunted Mansion, we were taken to the exit, and loaded in the unloading area. Only had to wait for a tour that was coming out.

At TSM, we were immediately directed to the Fastpass line, which is also the "accessible" line, then diverted to the accessible platform. This, however, was no time savings as they appear to only load from that area once per full cycle, and there were several in front of us. We had Fastpasses, but were directed before I even got them out and were never asked for them.

At Buzz, we were also directed to the Fastpass line. No Fastpasses.

After that experience, I'd say that less has been mainstreamed than expected, and just having an ECV does provide some advantage.
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hmmmm something is indeed fishy...
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:22 PM   #14
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A friend's mom goes to her doctor to get a note about "back problems" prior to Disney trips so she can get the family group through the disabled line...

*sigh*
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:36 PM   #15
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Well if the articles are all right or all wrong or part way in between, Seems Disney is officially taking it very seriously!



Disney World Scheme: Entitled Families Hire Disabled Guide to Bypass Lines, Says Report

..By Beth Greenfield, Shine Staff | Parenting – Wed, May 15, 2013 11:23 AM EDT....


Disney World. Photo: Getty Images. Now this is rich: Disney World is investigating news that a handful of upper-crust Manhattan moms have a pricey, secret way to get their kids to the front of the lines—and it’s not by bribing Mickey Mouse.

More on Shine: Disney Princess Makeover Sparks Outrage: Merida Petition Goes Viral

Instead, according to the New York Post, the moms pay $130 an hour to hire a disabled, “black-market” guide, who uses her position—sitting in a motorized scooter—to help entitled families gain special access to rides.

“On one hand, you can say she’s a great entrepreneur,” disability activist Kleo King, of the National Spinal Cord Injury Association, told Yahoo! Shine. “On the other hand, she’s kind of pimping herself out. And it’s outrageous she would help people commit fraud.”

Though the New York Post has no on-the-record sources in its shocking report, Disney is taking the matter seriously, according to spokesperson Bryan Malenius, who told Yahoo! Shine, “We are thoroughly reviewing the situation and will take appropriate steps to deter this type of activity." He added, "It is unacceptable to abuse accommodations that were designed for guests with disabilities."
More on Yahoo!: 6 Rejected Disney Theme Park Rides

The scheme of hiring out the disabled guide was uncovered by social anthropologist Wednesday Martin, a former New York Post contributor who was conducting research for a forthcoming book, “Primates of Park Avenue,” due out in 2014.

“It’s insider knowledge that very few have and share carefully,” Martin told the Post. “So when you’re doing it, you’re affirming that you are one of the privileged insiders who has and shares this information.” You’re also getting a good deal, as VIP tours offered by Disney, which include speed passes, start at $315 an hour.


“My daughter waited one minute to get on ‘It’s a Small World’ — the other kids had to wait 2 1/2 hours,” one unnamed mom bragged to the Post. “You can’t go to Disney without a tour concierge...This is how the 1 percent does Disney.”
A tour company singled out in the story as the family's guide denied using a disability to bypass lines. Both the tour company and Disney have not yet responded to Yahoo! Shine requests for comment.

But according to the park's official policy, guests using a wheelchair or motorized scooter, plus up to five members of their party, can use auxiliary entrances “intended to offer guests in wheelchairs or with trained service animals a more convenient entrance to the attraction” and are “not intended to bypass waiting lines.”

Still, the Post also reported that urban mothers have asked Divamoms website operator Lyss Stern how they might make their children appear handicapped in order to gain special disabled access. “I never understood how parents could have a clear conscience doing this,” Stern told the Post. And one parent, Matt Montesi of Atlanta, added that, after his 11-year-old with ADHD was granted a three-day Disney handicapped pass with a doctor's note, he was tempted to sell it on Craigslist. "People will pay bucks to circumvent the lines," he noted.

Yahoo forums on the topic turn up people who claim to have seen folks fake handicaps for special access. Wrote one commenter, who identified himself as a Disney employee, "There are ways that do allow you to bypass the line but I am not going to tell people because there are people who already abuse it and that pisses me and my fellow cast member off. Those people should be ashamed of themselves for doing it to. They disgust me every time I see them come through."

Using a false disability claim to skip lines is not a new trick, unfortunately. A recent Wall Street Journal story documented the trend of travelers requesting the use of complimentary wheelchairs in airports as a technique of getting pushed to the front of security lines, only to leap up and sprint to their gates once they have clearance. “We call them ‘miracles.’ They just start running with their heavy carry-ons," longtime wheelchair attendant Kenny Sanchez noted.

It’s also not unheard of at other amusement parks, apparently. King told Shine that, just the other day, she heard about someone who borrowed his grandmother’s wheelchair for his day at New Jersey’s Six Flags Great Adventure in order to avoid waiting in queues.

“It’s outrageous. This practice is hurting people with disabilities who legitimately can’t stand in line, as the more people who do it, the more resentful people get,” King explained. “Disney World and other places can’t really ask people about their disabilities in order to curtail fraud, so they have to take people at face value. But anytime fraud happens, it hurts people who really need services.”



I just hope if this does prove to be true, I hope they figure out how to stop it fast

To take advantage of the GAC or to plainly break and misuse these rules is really a display of poor manners and a total lack of class and character.

Shame on them!
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