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Old 04-02-2013, 09:59 PM   #1
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I think it's sad....

I think it's sad that Walt Disney's original idea for Disney World is being changed just for more income.

He never wanted carnival games in his parks... But they put them in anyway in Animal Kingdom.

His first major oopsy was that he didn't control the area around the perimeter of DisneyLand, so other corporates could build so he bought more land for Disney World so that wouldn't happen. So what do Disney World owner or whoever makes the decisions do? They put other corps right into the parks. I know they have McDonald's in Magic kingdom and Epcot, in their own little stands but to change "Main Street" by putting in a Starbucks? The horror. Sure when I visit I will NOT step foot in or around Starbucks. That's my decision. Not that I drink coffee any way, but if i need a refreshment I will walk 10-20 feet away to somewhere else. Starbucks will NOT get my $$ or snack credits.

I think it is sad that the current President (or whoever makes these decisions) is losing the sight of what Walt Disney wanted for his parks. Yes I know he's not around any more but it seems like whoever makes the decisions is losing site of the magic and the meaning of what walking up Main Street means to people. I know when I'm in Magic Kingdom walking up Main Street I just feel the magic.

I just don't know any more. My site of the magic is getting dimmer and dimmer because of these changes that Disney never wanted in the first place.

Don't even get me going about Avatarland. I mean that's not Even Disney. Soon Disney World will be like Universal Studios... Not that i'm saying Universal Studios is a bad place but when you think of Disney World you think of all the magic and the good memories...not Starbucks..
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You do know that Disney has never created its own coffee don't you? They've always had corporate sponsors and that includes the place that existed before the Starbucks. If you look at old pictures of Disneyland, you will see endless corporations on all of the buildings.

But go ahead and avoid Starbucks. We'll more than make up for that.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:24 PM   #3
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You do know that Disney has never created its own coffee don't you? They've always had corporate sponsors and that includes the place that existed before the Starbucks. If you look at old pictures of Disneyland, you will see endless corporations on all of the buildings.

But go ahead and avoid Starbucks. We'll more than make up for that.
Butoni sponsors Tony's in MK and Red Rocket Pizza Port in DL. Carnation sponsors a restaurant in DL. Dole sponsors Aloha Isle. Oh.. and Coca Cola has it's own spot in Epcot.. McDonald's used to be in DL, but they're gone now. Corporate sponsorship comes and goes all the time. And thankfully they do sponsor places on Disney Property.. prices for things could be even higher without Corporations subsidizing.

To the OP, just because you don't care for Starbuck's doesn't mean they don't belong on Disney Property.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:42 AM   #4
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I don't believe the OP ever went to WDW in the 1970s. If there's one thing Disney has done from day one, it's jump into bed with whatever corporation was willing to foot the bill. There used to be an entire attraction that was an advertisement for an airline. Many attractions and eateries are and always have been "sponsored." Walt Disney was in the business of making money. I have no doubt he would have been wooing Starbucks like crazy because it's successful.

I think the posts about how pure and wholesome and not interested in the bottom line Walt was are some of the silliest that show up on the Dis Boards. How can people be that naive?
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:07 AM   #5
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I think the posts about how pure and wholesome and not interested in the bottom line Walt was are some of the silliest that show up on the Dis Boards. How can people be that naive?
Oh, agree wholeheartedly! Walt Disney was a visionary and a genius. He was also a businessman, with the bottom line FIRMLY in his sights. He ran a large corporation whose purpose was to make money. He was a fine man and a philanthropist to be sure, but Mother Theresa he wasn't. I have to laugh every time I hear someone cry "Walt would be turning in his grave if he could see THIS!"
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I have to laugh every time I hear someone cry "Walt would be turning in his grave if he could see THIS!"
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:12 AM   #7
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I hope the entire thing burns to the ground. Walt must be rolling in his grave! I have written no less than 10 letters a day to Disney BEGGING to not allow Starbucks to invade Main Street!

What's next Coca-Cola? Kodak? Nestle? Visa? Where does it end? The magic is gone.
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:03 PM   #8
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I don't believe the OP ever went to WDW in the 1970s. If there's one thing Disney has done from day one, it's jump into bed with whatever corporation was willing to foot the bill. There used to be an entire attraction that was an advertisement for an airline. Many attractions and eateries are and always have been "sponsored." Walt Disney was in the business of making money. I have no doubt he would have been wooing Starbucks like crazy because it's successful.

I think the posts about how pure and wholesome and not interested in the bottom line Walt was are some of the silliest that show up on the Dis Boards. How can people be that naive?

You mean the 70's, back when the now Buzz Lightyear ride was Eastern Airlines, before it turned into Delta Airlines. The ride was the same basic premise under both airlines... making you dream about your next vacation... how many remember the Eastern Airilnes Song....
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If you had wings, had wings, had wings, had wings.
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:08 PM   #9
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You mean the 70's, back when the now Buzz Lightyear ride was Eastern Airlines, before it turned into Delta Airlines. The ride was the same basic premise under both airlines... making you dream about your next vacation... how many remember the Eastern Airilnes Song....
If you had wings, if you had wings,
If you had wings, had wings, had wings, had wings.
I remember the song!!! When I went this ride didn't require a ticket!! We loved it and thought it was such a great ride even though it was "free"!!
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:54 AM   #10
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I'd just like to point out that while Walt may have not been much of a "business man" - more of a dreamer and an innovator - Roy was. And without Roy Disney, there would be no Disneyland. Heck, without Roy Disney, there would have never been a Disney Studios. Walt went bankrupt before Roy. He needed Roy's logic and business knowledge in order to accomplish his creative visions.

It's also important to realize that Walt enjoyed progress. Just because something worked back in the 50s doesn't mean that it is logical today.

Also, Walt did rely a lot on other companies in order to make his dream a reality. As others have mentioned, he relied on corporate sponsorships in order to fund the construction of Disneyland. He made an agreement with ABC, making the company a major investor, and also gaining publicity for the opening of the park. It was commercial. But it was smart.

Walt didn't work because he wanted money. He wanted money so that he could put it back into his work. How do you think the Walt Disney Corporation funded the construction of New Fantasyland? Cars Land? And there are more projects on the board.

Has Disney had to compromise some of its original values in order to keep up with todays corporations? Of course. But I think that the values that they choose to maintain are the ones that set them apart from other businesses - high quality customer service and detailed attractions that make the Disney Parks an experience rather than just a destination.
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Old 04-03-2013, 02:26 PM   #11
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I started a thread years ago that asked "What would Walt have wanted?" One person said "Maybe Walt wouldn't have approved of some of the changes and add ons to Disneyland, but he would approve of all the happiness it brought to people." That's true. I think an expansion to Disneyland instead of California Adventure would have been better and more of what Walt would have wanted, but what's done is done.
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Old 04-03-2013, 02:32 PM   #12
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I think if Walt Disney were to come back from the dead today and see what his company had become he'd be happy! Just look how far it's gone, not everybody is always going to agree with the changes at any Disney park. To be honest, I've never took too much notice of the brands in Disney parks. There's probably less now than there was to begin with come to think of it. And as for starbucks coming to the parks, I don't think it will make too much difference, the theming was good at the fiddler fifer and practical cafe that if you didn't know it was there before you probably won't notice it (unless you look really hard lol) I prefer this over mcdonalds though.
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Old 04-03-2013, 02:35 PM   #13
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I've been skimming through this thread, and read somewhere that someone doesn't like Downtown Disney. Heck, I LOVE THAT PLACE!!! Whenever I go to Disneyland with my family, we hang out there the first day before we start on the parks the next!!
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:04 PM   #14
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I think it's sad that Walt Disney's original idea for Disney World is being changed just for more income.

He never wanted carnival games in his parks... But they put them in anyway in Animal Kingdom.

His first major oopsy was that he didn't control the area around the perimeter of DisneyLand, so other corporates could build so he bought more land for Disney World so that wouldn't happen. So what do Disney World owner or whoever makes the decisions do? They put other corps right into the parks. I know they have McDonald's in Magic kingdom and Epcot, in their own little stands but to change "Main Street" by putting in a Starbucks? The horror. Sure when I visit I will NOT step foot in or around Starbucks. That's my decision. Not that I drink coffee any way, but if i need a refreshment I will walk 10-20 feet away to somewhere else. Starbucks will NOT get my $$ or snack credits.

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I just don't know any more. My site of the magic is getting dimmer and dimmer because of these changes that Disney never wanted in the first place.

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McDonald's is not in any of the parks. They haven't been for years. Walt was a business man. There is no way to know if he would have made the same changes or not. The man has been dead for decades. Times have changed, and businesses have to make adjustments based on the needs and wants of their customers.

Totally with you on the Avatar thing. Dumbest idea ever.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:15 PM   #15
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McDonald's is not in any of the parks. They haven't been for years. Walt was a business man. There is no way to know if he would have made the same changes or not. The man has been dead for decades. Times have changed, and businesses have to make adjustments based on the needs and wants of their customers.

Totally with you on the Avatar thing. Dumbest idea ever.
Walt was the creative one. His brother Roy was the business man. If it wasn't for him a lot of that stuff would not have been built.
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