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 01-26-2013, 09:55 PM #1 bcrook DIS Veteran     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,014 FP+ Capacity per Park Summary of Work so far 2/9/2013 I am trying to figure out how many total fastpass slots are a available for each park. Which leads to an interesting question of how they will be doled out by Disney. Total FP+ needed per park per day based on the idea of 1 e-ticket FP+ and 2 other rides. Magic Kingdom = 46,500 e-ticket FP+ and 93,000 other FP+ Hollywood Studios = 27,000 e-ticket FP+ and 54,000 other FP+ Animal Kingdom = 27,000 e-ticket FP+ and 54,000 other FP+ Epcot + 27,000 e-ticket FP+ and 54,000 other FP+ Total FP+ available from each park based on 60% FP+ distribution: Magic Kingdom (14 hours) = 80,000 e-ticket and 128,000 other FP+ Hollywood Studios = (13 hours) = 42,500 e-ticket and 60,000 other FP+ Animal Kingdom (10 hours) = 37,800 e-ticket and 46,000 other FP+ Epcot (10 hours) = 40,800 e-ticket and 62,500 other FP+ Total Surplus e-ticket FP+ per day = 72,000 Total Surplus other FP+ per day = 41,000 Total surplus = 113,000 Fastpasses. If Disney overbooks 10% for no-shows that would add 11,000 more and every morning extra magic hour adds more capacity. 125,000 extra FP a day on average. How could those extra be "used"? 1. Surprise and Delight sent to people throughout the day. 2. Incentives for Deluxe guests. 3. They could be sold for \$5.00 a pop (100,000 a day would equal \$182,000,000 a year). 4. They could make them available for Free during the day first come first serve. What they can't do is... Add 1 more to everybody's pile. It really looks like 3 is the magic number. 4 would bust the system. UNLESS - they build more rides! __________________ -Barry FP+ original discussions "What we know, what we want to know" can be found at this site. Best WDW insider fact or story thread. WDW Estimated Ride Capacities Last edited by bcrook; 02-09-2013 at 10:28 PM. Reason: updated all the numbers.
 01-26-2013, 10:36 PM #2 lockedoutlogic DIS Veteran     Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Joisey Posts: 3,937 Its been documented on a couple of those.... Haunted mansion could handle about 3000 per hour...i believe the first ride system ever to do so...so you do the math on that. Pirates would be probably a little less...but i think that also is north of 2500. Peter pan would be around the same if it didn't break down all the time...but it has the same continuous circuit kinda system as haunted mansion...so again you're right there. All disney rides - more or less - especially at WDW were built with capacity first and foremost. If you look at it...there are probably many rides and technologies that were scrapped because of this one requirement. I've heard people mention on the street before - "disney is great...but alot of the rides/ shows seem to be the same" wonder why? especially the original epcot - where it was all basically the same ride system with a few little tweaks and changes - except universe of energy - ironically the opposite of a good use of time. toy story mania is i'm sure high capacity too...but i don't remember seeing any kind of exact number. __________________ Went there..... Worked there....(Resort Operations) Wed there....(EPCOT 2004) Bought there....(SSR 2006) Last Trip: Too Long Ago Next Trip: Can i borrow some money to go? Gift Shop Quality: When did we get to WalMart? Food Quality: Only the finest free range roast chicken breast and loch dart salmon in the Kingdom "May the Space Being bless the Free Market"
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 01-27-2013, 03:33 PM #3 bcrook DIS Veteran     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,014 Magic kingdom. FP + Magic kingdom total fastpass plus - E-ticket FP+ allotment Space mountain - 21,000 Splash mountain - 15,000 Big thunder mountain - 18,000 Peter Pan - 6700 Little Mermaid 15120 Total - 80,000 @ 60% FP+ distribution and 14 hours Mine train (another 18,000?) Second tier allotment Pirates of Caribbean - 20,000 Haunted Mansion - 30,240 Ranger Spin - 7500 Winnie the Pooh - 6700 Jungle Cruise - 15,000 Monsters Inc laugh floor - 10,000 Dumbo - 10,000 Flying carpets 7500 Barnstormer - 7500 Mickeys philarmagic -3,000 Totals. - 120,000 Enchanted Tales with Belle - 1000 Other meet and greets - 2500 Parades - 2000 Fireworks - 1000 Quick service meals - 1000 Total - 7,500 If 50,000 people are in MK and there is a 210,000 FP+ capacity. 50,000 e tickets limit one per person 100,000 minor attractions. Limit two per person. That leaves 30,000 left over e tickets FP and 27,500 minor FP available. Once everyone is switched over to the FP+ system. __________________ -Barry FP+ original discussions "What we know, what we want to know" can be found at this site. Best WDW insider fact or story thread. WDW Estimated Ride Capacities Last edited by bcrook; 02-09-2013 at 10:04 PM. Reason: updated projections
 01-27-2013, 05:57 PM #4 bcrook DIS Veteran     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,014 Disney Hollywood Studios E-tickets 60% FP+ rate at 13 hours: Toy Story Midway Mania!® - 12,500 The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror™ 14,000 Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster® Starring Aerosmith 16,000 Total - 42,500 Star Tours® – The Adventure Continues. 15000 The Great Movie Ride®. 23000 Indiana Jones™ Epic Stunt Spectacular! [holds 10,000 a day] 3000 FP+ seems like a stretch? Lights, Motors, Action!® Extreme Stunt Show®. 1000 Muppet*Vision 3D. 2000 The American Idol® Experience. 2000 Disney Junior – Live on Stage! Voyage of the Little Mermaid Jedi training - ? Fantasmic! 2000 Pixar pals parade 1000 Meet in greets 2000 QS meals 1000 Tol 55,000 Average attendance 26,000. Surplus e tickets - 16000 Surplus other - 5,000 __________________ -Barry FP+ original discussions "What we know, what we want to know" can be found at this site. Best WDW insider fact or story thread. WDW Estimated Ride Capacities Last edited by bcrook; 02-09-2013 at 09:44 PM.
02-04-2013, 02:06 PM   #5
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 Originally Posted by bcrook E-ticket FP+ allotment Peter Pan - 35,000 Little Mermaid 35,000 Total - 124,000 Second tier allotment Pirates of Caribbean - 35,000 Haunted Mansion - 35,000 Ranger Spin - 35,000 Winnie the Pooh - 35,000
Sorry, where are these numbers coming from? Are they your own speculations? I don't know specifics for the dark rides, but I think they are less than 1000 people per hour. The dispatch time is much slower than, say HM. So 8000, maybe 10,000 people for 10 hours. So it's very unlikely FP will be distributed in the same volume as the Omnimovers.

I did find this comment over on WDW Magic from 2004 by a former CP in Fantasyland

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 Contrary to popular belief, the OHRC is not that much smaller on Peter Pan. I believe it's about 800 people per hour, which is slightly less than other Fantasyland attractions (Pooh - 850, Teacups - 864, Snow - 920, Philhar - 1500, etc.). Dumbo is a lot lower, around 550.
Of course, we can double Dumbo's numbers now.
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 01-27-2013, 06:01 PM #6 TheRustyScupper Average Banjo Picker, Fairly-Good Sailing Master, Recently Ordained.     Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: 15-min from WDW. Posts: 20,048 What are your best guesses for daily (15 hour day) ride capacity for Pirates of the Caribbean . . . a lot Haunted Mansion . . . a lesser lot Peter Pan . . . even a lesser lot Toy Story Midway Mania . . . a lot Sorry, but that is my best guess. __________________ [/CENTER]
01-27-2013, 06:44 PM   #7
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 Originally Posted by TheRustyScupper What are your best guesses for daily (15 hour day) ride capacity for Pirates of the Caribbean . . . a lot Haunted Mansion . . . a lesser lot Peter Pan . . . even a lesser lot Toy Story Midway Mania . . . a lot Sorry, but that is my best guess.
That plugs in nicely to the spreadsheet!
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 02-04-2013, 09:20 AM #9 YoHo If you have any poo to fling, now is the time.     Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Roseville, Ca. Posts: 3,944 Haunted has the highest OHRC. I believe it's around 3600. Haven't looked at it in years. Pirates is around 2500. I believe splash is around 1200. The rollercoasters even lower. Also, counterintuitivly, Fastpass makes the parks feel fuller. Since without fast pass, thousands of people would be in queues off the streets and instead, they are now in the walkways virtually in line. __________________ YoHo, YoHo a Pirates life for me. Critical thinking about Disney at www.july171955.com "That's why I love Walt Disney. It costs \$100,000 to build a spire you didn't need. The secret of Disney is doing things you don't need and doing them well and then you realize you needed them all along." - Ray Bradbury
02-04-2013, 09:44 AM   #10
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 Originally Posted by YoHo Haunted has the highest OHRC. I believe it's around 3600. Haven't looked at it in years. Pirates is around 2500. I believe splash is around 1200. The rollercoasters even lower. Also, counterintuitivly, Fastpass makes the parks feel fuller. Since without fast pass, thousands of people would be in queues off the streets and instead, they are now in the walkways virtually in line.
Good Point regarding crowds outside. Someone once told me that the general disney tourist that has figured out how to get a fast pass, still stands around the attraction waiting for their 'window' to open, ironically. This is really bad in frontierland where 2 of the big mountains live.

My research shows 3600 OHRC for Haunted mansion too. The problem is there are many attractions where there is not even a sniff of what the OHRC is.
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 02-04-2013, 09:28 AM #11 lockedoutlogic DIS Veteran     Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Joisey Posts: 3,937 theoretically...your could calculate the capacity of the haunted mansion by figuring out the speed of the car and track length. It's actually not to difficult of mathematical computation...Algebra II or below. But they have said - I know for the haunted mansion -on some of the Discovery/Travel Channel Shows numbers specifically dealing with that ride. They do keep some of the numbers "secret"...but not necessarily what i would call "closely guarded" There's a way to find out to a certain level of confidence...but perhaps no "iron clad" numbers __________________ Went there..... Worked there....(Resort Operations) Wed there....(EPCOT 2004) Bought there....(SSR 2006) Last Trip: Too Long Ago Next Trip: Can i borrow some money to go? Gift Shop Quality: When did we get to WalMart? Food Quality: Only the finest free range roast chicken breast and loch dart salmon in the Kingdom "May the Space Being bless the Free Market"
02-04-2013, 09:51 AM   #12
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 Originally Posted by lockedoutlogic There's a way to find out to a certain level of confidence...but perhaps no "iron clad" numbers
Just wondering what way you mean. Internet? Thats what I am researching, however you may has some ideas or places to specifically look? That would be great if you could give me some direction.

Sometimes when I post, I wonder if what I say can be totally misconstrued. There is no sarcasm intended - NONE AT ALL - Just hopeful optimism that you can direct me specifically somewhere to look.
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 02-04-2013, 09:38 AM #13 Rileygirl DIS Veteran     Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 770 It might be easiest if we just look at one attraction to figure out the possible calculation, then doing a general concept for all attractions (because I am not good at math for one, and also because I think every attraction has its own unique number, taking into consideration many things. Lets start with splash mountain, because I caught some CM chatter from a lead hand regarding OHRC. Its 1800 per hour. Can they do more then 1800? absolutely, apparently they can frequently get to 1900 and sometimes even 2000, depending on the crew working load, unload, dispatch and something called the triple dispatch. From the verbage this cast member used, I feel relatively confident that this is a pretty accurate average hourly number - this is a good 'known' to start with. So OHRC is 1800 for splash. Now, park hours - we will just use a hypothetical number: I would say typically during non peak and regular season, the Park is open from 9am to 7 pm. I want to use this number, for simplisticy sake, because it equals 10 hrs. Obviously, the busier the season, the longer the park hours, the more fast passes can be generated. So, we have 2 fields we can fill in for our equasion. How can we figure out the percentage logically? (I dont know how to do this, but maybe by sounding things out, we can figure it out together as a group?) Here are some things we know about fastpass - you have a 1 hr window of return time. They are spread out by what interval? Is it 10 minutes? or 20 minutes? Do you have any old FP kicking around? YKWIM? Return times could be 10:20, 10:40, or whatever. I am not sure if they increase by 10 minutes or 20 minutes or 5 minutes. Anyone know? Anyone have some old FPs kicking around? Ok, Im off to see if I can find any old FPs. __________________
02-04-2013, 03:00 PM   #14
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From another website

Expedition Everest

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 Capacity: Up to five six-car trains of 34 passengers each in 17 two-person rows (the last row features seating for disabled guests); typically five trains are in operation, with a projected operational hourly ride capacity (OHRC) of 2,050 riders per hour with five trains or 1,850 per hour with four trains.
From WDWMagic, several different posts that Splash is 1800 per hour
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 02-04-2013, 03:24 PM #15 Rileygirl DIS Veteran     Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 770 These are very helpful posts, hopemax. - your OHRC on a lot of these attractions are probably still pretty accurate, even though they are 'dated'.. And it was nice to take a trip down memory lane when you listed some of the old beauties at Epcot. Food Rocks fascinated my kids when they were little, and I liked it too! Regarding your comment on the 'crisis' that may be incurred with this new system. I humbly submit that you are thinking like a vetran, and not joe disney goer - first time or very infrequent, or very limited knowledge on Disney. I dont think this system is to satisfy us, but its to make the general larger majority a little happier. They may be thrilled to score Haunted Mansion and Small world as their 2 FP choices, because they really dont know any better? Hypothosis on my part, and I suppose you would have to know how big the middle section of the bell curve people this is going to appeal too. Maybe there are more educated users out there then I give credit for. I've also really enjoyed reading some of the sophisticated threads on this board, and its really opened my eyes. For some reason I thought I knew why Disney was spending their billion (vain girl!) that is data, crowd control, crowd dispersment, promotion and joe blow customer satisfaction. But after reading Rustys thread on RFID's, I now realize that perhaps the golden goose in all this is Merchandise and sales! (What exactly is skimming lockedoutlogic?) I have also been reflecting on my Counter Service FP+ to eventually take over one entire tier of the FP+, but there is a big old hole in that idea. Although counterservice places may be typically be open the entire 'park' day - you will not get joe public to book his lunch meal at 10:20 am, or 3:20 pm. Ie, much more limited usable FP+ allotment for CS places, because they are 'time of day' driven. I did find a few old FP kicking around in my Disney box, and it seems that the lowest common denominator is 5 minutes from my Buzz FP. However, I seem to recall some TSM tickets starting at weird times like 10:22, but am not 100% sure. If anyone has imput on this, I would love to hear it. TY for the responses! ~A __________________

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