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Old 01-09-2013, 10:16 PM   #1
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Questions about purchasing a Canon

In 2011 on Black Friday, I bought a Fujifilm Finepix S3280. It was only $99 and I considered it my gateway camera to a "big girl" DSLR. We took it to WDW this past June and it did ok. Overall I'm not totally happy with the camera, and want to replace it by the time of our September trip. In the next couple of weeks I was thinking of purchasing a Canon. I don't really take a lot of video and mainly want amazing pictures from our TPV balcony at the CR.

My current Fujifilm has an optical zoom of 24X, and then lens the Canons come with are 18mm - 55mm. I'm totally clueless as to what that means on the Canon. Does that mean that with the lens the Canon comes with it will have a longer zoom than the Fujifilm? Will that type of lens take pretty close pictures of the castle from a balcony at the CR or at least closer than the Fujifilm?

Also, the Rebel T4i is about $200 more than the T3i, if the additional money isn't as issue, is the T4i worth the additional money? If it is, I am ok with paying it. I just don't want to if there isn't that much of a difference.
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I'm not an expert on Canons, so I'll defer on the difference between dSLR models.

But to answer the lens question -- a kit dSLR lens has much LESS zoom than you are used to. Technically, to compare it to your current camera, it's about a 3x zoom.
Many dSLR owners will, at a minimum, add a 200mm telephoto zoom lens, which you could look at as being approximately equivalent to 12x, compared to your current camera.

Bigger sensors produce much higher image quality. But the bigger the sensor, you need a much bigger lens to achieve telephoto zoom. Your current camera has a tiny sensor, so it can achieve a big telephoto zoom effect, with a small lens.
A dSLR has a much bigger sensor.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:58 PM   #3
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Thank you!! As I said,I' m truly clueless when it comes to this kind of stuff. Well that makes me second guess getting a Canon over a Nikon. I can get the Nikon D3200 with an extra 55mm - 300mm lens for not much more than the Canon with just an 18mm - 33mm lens.
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Thank you!! As I said,I' m truly clueless when it comes to this kind of stuff. Well that makes me second guess getting a Canon over a Nikon. I can get the Nikon D3200 with an extra 55mm - 300mm lens for not much more than the Canon with just an 18mm - 33mm lens.
The Nikon D3200 and the Canon T4i (or T3i) are not on the same level. The D3200 is more equal to Canon's T3 (that little i makes a huge difference in the Rebels.), which is a good bit cheaper. It doesn't mean the Nikon is a bad camera by any means, it's just not the same level on the food chain as the Canons you're comparing it to.
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The Nikon D3200 and the Canon T4i (or T3i) are not on the same level. The D3200 is more equal to Canon's T3 (that little i makes a huge difference in the Rebels.), which is a good bit cheaper. It doesn't mean the Nikon is a bad camera by any means, it's just not the same level on the food chain as the Canons you're comparing it to.
Well between the D3200 and the T3i, which would you buy? I just hate to spend that much on the T4i since I'll have to buy an additional lens. I just don't use it enough to justify the T4i cost.
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Well between the D3200 and the T3i, which would you buy? I just hate to spend that much on the T4i since I'll have to buy an additional lens. I just don't use it enough to justify the T4i cost.
I wouldn't buy the D3200 under any circumstances for myself because of the limitations the camera has with lenses. It will not auto focus with all Nikon lenses. I don't want a camera that I have to look at a string of letters to figure out if I'll have full functionality. All of that doesn't make the Nikon a bad camera at all. I know people who have cameras from that line and love them. It's just not a camera I'd buy because of the lens functionality issues.

As far as the other.... The T3 or T3i? They are two different cameras. I'd get the T4i over both of them. Because right now at B&H it's the same price as the T3i, and it is a significantly better performer in many areas than the T3. But it really comes down to you and what your needs and wants are. and I can certainly understand not wanting to spend more. But also keep in mind that a DSLR is not a one time cost. To get some of those great shots you see you will have to use the right tools, and that means more lenses. Lenses that can easily cost more than the camera.
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In 2011 on Black Friday, I bought a Fujifilm Finepix S3280. It was only $99 and I considered it my gateway camera to a "big girl" DSLR. We took it to WDW this past June and it did ok. Overall I'm not totally happy with the camera, and want to replace it by the time of our September trip. In the next couple of weeks I was thinking of purchasing a Canon. I don't really take a lot of video and mainly want amazing pictures from our TPV balcony at the CR.
While a DSLR is certainly capable of producing higher quality images than your little Fuji, getting amazing shots is 90% photographer 10% camera. Most of the truly great images you see on this board come from people who have spent a lot of time learning their craft.

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My current Fujifilm has an optical zoom of 24X, and then lens the Canons come with are 18mm - 55mm. I'm totally clueless as to what that means on the Canon. Does that mean that with the lens the Canon comes with it will have a longer zoom than the Fujifilm? Will that type of lens take pretty close pictures of the castle from a balcony at the CR or at least closer than the Fujifilm?
If memory serves the long end on the Fuji is something like 500mm in DSLR lens terms. The Canon has a much, much shorter zoom. In fact most of us with DSLR's don't have any lenses long enough to match the super zooms. They're just too expensive.

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Also, the Rebel T4i is about $200 more than the T3i, if the additional money isn't as issue, is the T4i worth the additional money? If it is, I am ok with paying it. I just don't want to if there isn't that much of a difference.
For me, after being able to really use a T4i recently I think just seeing the difference in noise it's worth the increased price. Especially when you consider the rebate Canon has right now that will get you into one with the 18-55 kit lens for right at $650. But everyone's needs are different and what is worth it to me may not be worth it to you.

Edited to add... I just looked at B&H... with the rebate the T3i and T4i are the same price with the 18-55 kit lens. Kind of makes it a no brainer I guess.
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Over the last month or two I've noticed that t4i's price has dropped $150 -$200, so if there is not much of a price difference I would definitely go with the 4ti. While the kit lens is fine I would look into spending an additional $200 and get kit combo with the t4i and 18-135 IS STM lens. That's the camera a got a few months ago and am very happy with both. The 18-135 is also considerably nicer than the kit lens and it will get you closer to the zoom you had to the Fuji. If you also think you will shoot video that lens focuses must faster than the 18-55 kit lens, and the is also completely silent, so you will not hear the motor when it focuses.

Personally I'm thinking that combo may be all I need for my trip this summer, at least for the majority of my shots, but will probably bring an additional lens or two, which I probably won't bring to the park each day.

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In 2011 on Black Friday, I bought a Fujifilm Finepix S3280. It was only $99 and I considered it my gateway camera to a "big girl" DSLR. We took it to WDW this past June and it did ok. Overall I'm not totally happy with the camera, and want to replace it by the time of our September trip. In the next couple of weeks I was thinking of purchasing a Canon. I don't really take a lot of video and mainly want amazing pictures from our TPV balcony at the CR.

My current Fujifilm has an optical zoom of 24X, and then lens the Canons come with are 18mm - 55mm. I'm totally clueless as to what that means on the Canon. Does that mean that with the lens the Canon comes with it will have a longer zoom than the Fujifilm? Will that type of lens take pretty close pictures of the castle from a balcony at the CR or at least closer than the Fujifilm?

Also, the Rebel T4i is about $200 more than the T3i, if the additional money isn't as issue, is the T4i worth the additional money? If it is, I am ok with paying it. I just don't want to if there isn't that much of a difference.
I would caution you to do a little more research before purchasing a DSLR. When you make a decision to move to a DSLR you are buying into a system of camera bodies, lenses, flashes, etc. After you start with your system, it gets very expensive to change. We all chose our system for different reasons. For me, I had been shooting with Pentax for thirty years before I switched to digital. I was already invested in lenses (AKA glass) that fit my system that I did not want to re-buy (if that's a word ) in another system. That was my reason. For you just starting out, I would recommend you first research the "language" of DSLR photography and then start comparing cameras at websites like dpreview.com. They have a very good comparison tool. Here is something that you may want to read:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/956...-a-digital-slr

After you have done your research, I would recommend finding a brick and mortar camera store that carries multiple brands of cameras. This part may be difficult because online camera stores have hurt the brick and mortar stores sales. The object is to get as many different manufacturers into your hands as possible. All DSLR's are not created equally. They all have different menus and ergonomics. The best way to find out if a camera will work for you is to handle it. If you are unable to find a store then look for a local camera club and seek some advice. I think most of us have made purchasing mistakes that cost us. I would use the local big box stores as a last resort. They traditionally do not have too many people familiar with photography and may steer you in a direction that is more beneficial for them than you.

Please do not think that I'm trying to dissuade you from making a DSLR purchase, but trying to guide you in the direction that will allow you to make the right decision for you. Today, all the manufacturers, Canon, Nikon, Sony, Pentax, Olympus, et al, are making cameras we could only dream about 10 years ago. As other have said, its the photographer that makes that tool we call a camera work. After we make our initial purchase, then the real work begins to determine what level we want to attain. Some are very happy with using a DSLR in Auto and others go the whole distance to artistic and everything in between. Just continue to ask questions and everyone here will do their best to help you.
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Some great points by Gianna'sPapa,


You may want to know which, if any, of your friends or family own a dSLR and what brand. It came become a useful source of information and who knows you could even borrow some lenses.

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You may want to know which, if any, of your friends or family own a dSLR and what brand. It came become a useful source of information and who knows you could even borrow some lenses.

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I know someone that has a Canon T3, I think they got it last summer (?), and they love it. I asked my nephew what camera his mom just got and after asking some questions, I am pretty sure it's a T4i. Her and I don't speak though, and I would rather go to a nursing school and let them practice drawing blood from my tiny, deep, rolling, veins than ask her about it.

I guess when it gets down to it, what I really want is something that I can just put into Auto (until I learn how to use it better), has the ability to have longer lenses attached to it so I can get a range of lengths, and does not need a doctorate in photography to figure out how to use the basics. Honestly, the main draw about the T4i is the touch screen. The tutorials I've watch on it make it look so cool.
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I guess when it gets down to it, what I really want is something that I can just put into Auto (until I learn how to use it better), has the ability to have longer lenses attached to it so I can get a range of lengths, and does not need a doctorate in photography to figure out how to use the basics. Honestly, the main draw about the T4i is the touch screen. The tutorials I've watch on it make it look so cool.
Every consumer level camera has auto --- and most have very good auto.
Not trying to talk you out of a dSLR but wondering if its the best option for you.
DSLRs are about interchangeable lenses, but getting telephoto "long" lens is really just a small fraction of that. Fast lenses, macro lenses, prime lenses. If your primary goal is good telephoto, you don't need dSLR for that. In fact, smaller cameras can much more easily/cheaply accomplish a great zoom length.

Something like the Nikon J1 is meant as a "step-up" camera for point&shooters who want to step up in image quality. Many other mirrorless cameras, like the Sony Nex-3, the Pen, can give a nice compromise between dSLR and p&s.
Even a p&s like the Lumix fz200 may give you the features you want.
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oh, no y'all can talk me out of a DSLR if you think it's too much for what I need, which is why I though I would ask here instead of just going out and buying what ever camera with cool sounding gadgets I could find. Y'all know what kind of camera will work best for shooting at WDW, and I trust the opinions here totally. If y'all think a point and shoot, that will give me the distance I want and the quality, I have no problem going that route. I just assumed I would have to go DSLR for it. If y'all say I don't, point me in the right direction, and I'll used the extra money to get an iPhone with bigger storage.
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So, I started looking at point and shoots and found this one. I tried to read the specs to understand it, but it was like trying to read ancient Sumerian. Would y'all mind reading these and letting me know if it's ok. It's a Canon PowerShot SX50 HS Digital Camera.

Imaging
Pixels: Actual: 12.8 Megapixel
Effective: 12.1 Megapixel
Sensor: 1/2.3" CMOS
Bit Depth: 12-bit
File Formats: Still Images: JPEG, RAW
Movies: MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, MOV
Audio: Linear PCM
Max Resolution: 12MP: 4000 x 3000 @ 4:3
Other Resolutions:
5.9MP: 2816 x 2112 @ 4:3
1.9MP: 1600 x 1200 @ 4:3
0.3MP: 640 x 480 @ 4:3
10.7MP: 4000 x 2664 @ 3:2
5.3MP: 2816 x 1880 @ 3:2
1.7MP: 1600 x 1064 @ 3:2
0.3MP: 640 x 424 @ 3:2
9MP: 4000 x 2248 @ 16:9
4.5MP: 2816 x 1584 @ 16:9
2MP: 1920 x 1080 @ 16:9
0.2MP: 640 x 360 @ 16:9
9MP: 2992 x 2992 @ 1:1
4.5MP: 2112 x 2112 @ 1:1
1.4MP: 1200 x 1200 @ 1:1
0.2MP: 480 x 480 @ 1:1
7.2MP: 2400 x 3000 @ 4:5
3.6MP: 1696 x 2112 @ 4:5
1.2MP: 960 x 1200 @ 4:5
0.18MP: 384 x 480 @ 4:5
Aspect Ratio: 1:1, 3:2, 4:3, 4:5, 16:9
Image Stabilization: Optical & Digital
Color Spaces: Not Specified By Manufacturer

Optics
Lens EFL: 4.3-215 mm (35 mm equivalent: 24-1200 mm)
Aperture: f/3.4 (W) - 6.5 (T)
Filter Thread: Not Specified By Manufacturer
Zoom: Optical: 50x
Digital: 4x
Focus Range: Wide: 2.0" (5.08 cm) - Infinity
Wide: 3.3' (1.01 m) - Infinity
Telephoto: 4.3' (1.31 m) - Infinity
Telephoto: 43' (13.11 m) - Infinity
Auto: 0.0" (0.00 cm) - Infinity
Wide Macro: 0.0" (0.00 cm) - 1.6' (0.49 m)

Exposure Control
ISO Sensitivity: Auto, 80-6400
Shutter: 1 - 1/2000 sec
15 - 1/2000 sec in Manual Mode
Exposure Metering: Center-weighted, Evaluative, Spot
Exposure Modes: Modes: AE Lock, Aperture Priority, Manual, Program, Program Shift, Safety Shift, Shutter Priority
Compensation: -3 EV to +3 EV (in 1/3 EV steps)
White Balance Modes: Auto, Cloudy, Custom, Daylight, Flash, Fluorescent, Fluorescent H, Tungsten
Burst Rate: Up to 13 fps for up to 10 frames
Self Timer: 2 Sec, 10 Sec, 30 Sec
Remote Control: RS-60E3 (Optional)

Flash
Flash Modes: Auto, Flash On, Off, Slow Sync
Built-in Flash: Yes
Effective Flash Range: Wide: 1.6 - 18' (0.49 - 5.49 m)
Telephoto: 4.6 - 9.8' (1.40 - 2.99 m)
External Flash Connection: Hot Shoe
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That camera should be a nice camera, but I think you may be getting to caught up in the zoom. On your Fuji how often did you shoot photos completely zoomed in? Also if you shoot anywhere between 25 to 50x zoom you're going to need a tripod or a monopod unless you're shooting on the outside on bright sunny day. Unless you are really into wildlife like birds or shoot a lot of spots a 50x is overkill.

If zoom is important to you I would look into the variety of super zoom point-and-shoot cameras. Look up any of these cameras on YouTube and their should be videos showing you examples of video shot fully zoomed in and fully zoomed out. Check out this discussion http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3042200 about super zooms.

As far as a dSlr goes, your not going to find something equivalent to a 50x (1200mm?) zoom. Just do a search for canon 600mm lenses and take look at the price and size of those lenses. WARNING! If you look those up on a laptop or portable device, set them down first, because there is a good chance you will pass out.

Make a list of what you are looking for in features and prioritize them. If you post it here, I think people here could help you out better.

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