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Old 11-20-2012, 05:45 AM   #1
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Aussies take on DL, WDW & USO (then onto Iceland and Paris...)

I'm a long time DISlurker and occasional poster - tried my hand at a PTR last trip to WDW but inevitably became way too busy doing things to keep writing about them. So since I'm home feeling a wee bit miserable with the flu have decided I'll have another go at a PTR and share what we're planning, and what I've learnt in the hope of helping others, and possibly getting some good hints and pointers along the way.

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Me (Mum 40 - an Accountant in a former life), currently working part-time as a Teacher's Aide at my DDs high school and loving it!

DH (44) Currently working away from home in Iceland - meeting us in Orlando for our WDW & USO stays, and coming with us to Paris for the weekend on our way home

DD15 A Crazy Disney Fanatic with a borderline obsession with NBC & Tim Burton. Only movies she ever cries watching are animated Disney Classics. She's a clever cookie but school is well balanced by her love of singing, performing in school musicals, and school bands.

DD13 The family Muso - plays flute, piccolo, tuba, trombone & is teaching herself the keyboard/piano in her 'spare' time. She's the 'girly girl' in the family, but loves blowing apart peoples perceptions (does karate in her spare time, and loves turning up to Music Workshops with the Tuba in tow - literally - it has wheels!)

After our last trip to WDW, I'd hoped we may get back to WDW 'one day' but didn't think it'd be any time soon, and probably not before one (or both) or our girls had gone off to Uni. That all changed around Easter Time when DH did a short trip to Iceland for work, supposedly to report back on a project happening there, and then finish up the project he was working on here in Qld. That quickly changed after he came home, and was asked to go back for the next 12 months or so - 10 weeks on, then 2 weeks at home, but instead of him coming home for Christmas, they'd fly us over to spend Christmas with him. COOL!!! (Literally)
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:57 AM   #2
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The planning begins... Where to stay???

I think I (subconsciously) started planning for a Disney stay right from the start, or at least started thinking of how to convince DH that it'd be a good idea. He rolls his eyes and tunes out when I start to talk Disney most of the time, but does agree that the Disney holidays we have had have been some of the most memorable and stress free ones we're ever had (even though he broke his leg ice-skating at DLP).

So I became re-aquainted with the DISboards (& found out about the DCA Expansion, Carsland, and the NBC HMH holiday overlay at DL), and then started looking at how we could make 'it' happen. How do we everything in, spend the 4 weeks DH had off at Christmas with him, and make the most of the opportunity? Firstly sort out what everyone's priorities were - for DD15 it was NBC HMH at DL - what??? not in WDW??? so we better stop in LA on the ways over. How to convince DH to do the Orlando stopover (& him fly out from Iceland)? Well when we were last in Orlando WWoHP was under construction and we said we'd love to see it at some stage, so maybe he'd be sold on that? DD13 found out about BOG being built in WDW, and since we'd be in Orlando on her birthday, then it'd be great if she could have her birthday dinner there. As for my priorities - make everyone else happy - I was going back to WDW so that was enough for me (at that stage).

Now as our flights were being booked through DH's work, I knew we'd have a bit of a wait for them to be confirmed, which was fine UNTIL the WDW free dining promo for December came out. Too bad - I'll assume it'll all work out and flights will be as I hope... Tentative plan was for us girls to spend 6 days in DL, arriving in WDW on the dame day as DH, buuuuutttttt, the last day for free dining check-in was Dec 13 - we'll just change our plans to arrive in WDW a day early.

Up until this trip we have always been value resort people - we only want a bed and a shower as the days are for parks, and it's waaaayyyy to cold for us to be swimming in a Florida winter. But the FD promo has the mods offering the full DDP, as opposed to the QS DDP at the values, so it was actually cheaper for us to book a room at a Mod than upgrade the QSDDP at a Value. I decided on POFQ partly because of the ferry to DTD, partly because of the smaller size, but mainly because of DD13's love of music (and blooming love of Jazz in particular).

We changed things around a little, (initial plan was to do WWoHP first, and then WDW), but given we were saving a fair bit having 4 ppl on FD, decided we'd stay onsite for USO (only 2 nights though) and make the most of WWoHP early entry and the 'free' Express Pass to get around the busier crowds as Christmas approaches. Initial cost for HRH was ridiculously expensive ($700+ for the two nights), but I've since rebooked using an APH rate ($199 per night - the AP more than pays for itself in room savings and discount on the other tickets). Again the resort choice came down to both DDs love of music & the theme just seemed to suit us.

I also decided I needed to figure out our accom in DL, and as much as I wanted to stay in a Disney hotel, there was no way on earth I could justify the cost. I know they get EMH, but I don't think that it's worth over $150 extra a night for one extra hour in the morning. I 'settled' on Ramada Main Gate for our stay, mainly as it's so close to DL and their customer service via email has been exceptional. I do have some reservations since they've just started redeveloping, but unless I hear negative stories before we leave, am happy to see if they live up to the service we've had so far.

So we have our accom all booked, but no flights confirmed yet - Arrrggghhhhh!
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:49 AM   #3
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Next step - OMG it's time to make dining reservations...

Here's the thing with having to make ADR's so far out at WDW - just when you think you have it all sorted, then they extend park hours, change show times and just generally 'mess with your head'.

Having never done DDP before, I've never had the 'must make ADR's' pressure, apart from seeking out that elusive meal at CRT (done, t'was lovely but in no hurry to repeat). Then you start thinking 'am I getting the best value for money doing it this way?' and start questioning your thoughts on what'll work for you and your family so our ADR's have changed a fair bit along the way.

In my never ending research I came across the Disney Food Bog, and Tom's Disney Tourist Blog (which was an absolute revelation), and I blame them for the idea that took root in my head - I wanted to have dinner at V&A, with my DH & DDs. Three years ago i would've said that paying that much for dinner is absurd, but when last in Melbourne DH & I had dinner at a lovely small intimate restaurant in St Kilda to celebrate our Anniversary, and for the first time I put myself in the hands of the sommelier and let them choose my wines for the evening - That dinner was the most expensive we've ever had, and the best by a mile - for the food and the experience it was good value for money, and this, along with reviews from Tom & AJ's blogs, convinced me that I should take the plunge at V&A. Since both DDs have a love of good food on par with mine & DH's, and that we're all very adventurous eaters, i knew we'd be doing this as a family - 'date night' will have to wait until Universal, or when we get to Iceland.

Dinner ADR at V&A's was no drama to book thanks to online booking, but I was on tenderhooks waiting to find out when we could hop online to book ADR's for BOG. Then the news came out - phone bookings only at first. I knew from the 'buzz' on the DIS, that there were going to be a LOT of people seeking that elusive BOG dinner reservation when they finally opened up the phone lines for ADR's. So I resigned myself to a VERY late night, with my mobile and landline phone at the ready... I dialled those numbers over 235 times before finally getting through (around 2am in the morning here). Minimal time on hold and I blurted out my preferred date - I was very very lucky - they could fit us in for a 4:10pm dinner - I'm assuming that if I'd gotten through 5 min later then I probably would've missed out coz who would actually choose to have dinner at 4pm? On this occasion I didn't care though. I did think about making more than one booking, but decided that if I was 'mad' enough to be doing this, and it took me over 2 hours to get through, then that meant many others were also trying so best to share the love around.

I also had a bit of an epiphany last week when I realised that we were better off using the free DDP to experience places we would enjoy eating at, rather than being so concerned about getting 'bang for your buck'. I know FD is not really 'free', but if were were to stay discounted RO at a Value resort, we'd be saving around $600 on what our DDP package is costing us at POFQ - that works out to around $75 a day extra for the DDP - very good value for a family of four I think.

SO... here's our ADR's for WDW - feedback & thoughts are very much appreciated:
Sat 15 Dec - 12:50 lunch at Brown Derby in DHS - use 4 TS credits to split 2 meals & maybe order a couple of appetisers (OoP) to split if hungry. 7:30pm dinner at La Hacienda San Angel in EPCOT - DH loves Mexican food and I am partial to a glass or two of Tequila, with the Mexican food of course :-)
Sun 16 Dec - Celebrating DD13's 14th b'day (her actual birthday is the 22nd but we're flying out to Iceland that day so wanted her to have a day to celebrate in WDW) 9:40am Breakfast at 1900 Park Faire (at her request - hope the Mad Hatter is still making appearances then), the dinner at 4:10pm at BOG in MK
Mon 17 Dec - 6pm dinner at V&A
Tues 18 Dec - 8:05am breakfast at CP in MK - will be changing this to lunch if park hours are confirmed to change as per the 8am opening rumour posted on the touring plans website. MVMCP that night
Wed 19 Dec - 9pm dinner at Cali Grill to conclude our time at WDW
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Great read so far. Thanks for sharing.

Can I ask you to elaborate on the perks of a Universal AP? Am I reading it correctly that you got everyone else's tickets cheaper because you had one AP? If so, how much cheaper?
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:10 PM   #5
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I'm very much enjoying reading along so far. Sounds like it's going to be a wonderful trip. I'm super interested to hear about the Paris and Iceland portion too.

Hopefully life doesn't get too busy and you will have time to update us on the full experience when you get back.

My family are staying at POFQ in December as well - from 9-20 December so I'll keep an ear out for some other Australians.

We also managed to get the coveted BOG dining reservations but I didn't have to stay up late, our Disney TA did it all for us.

Looking forward to hearing more.
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Sounds like a wonderful opportunity-intrigued by a an Aussie job tat takes your DH to Iceland! The planning so far and meals look good-will enjoy reading along as the planning and trip unfolds!
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Sounds like a wonderful opportunity-intrigued by a an Aussie job tat takes your DH to Iceland! The planning so far and meals look good-will enjoy reading along as the planning and trip unfolds!
DH is a Mechanical Engineer, that has migrated into Project Management. He's been lucky enough to travel quite a bit through work, including us living in Southern Africa for 6 years. Timing of the Iceland Job was just wrong for us to join him this time as DD15 has just finished 2 year 12 subjects, and will complete year 12 & graduate next year. At least we get to visit though
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DL Planning & Dining - and the waiting... waiting... waiting...

Here's the thing - Some-one really needs to let the people in DL know that for those of us who've done WDW, the idea of not knowing Park Hours until 6 weeks before our trip, and not being able to make dining reservations until 2 months in advance - well, it's just not on. Not really but the big gap in between sorting out what we'd be doing in WDW, and finally having the info to plan our days in DL was like being lost in the wilderness - a wilderness where I spent waaaayyyyy too long reading this DISboards and listening to Disney Podcasts (but they are a great way of keeping you alert when driving). Plus what sense does it make to be able to make ADR's when you don't even know what the park hours will be????? (Minor vent over, and really if that's the major stress I have, then I should count myself very very lucky, and I do).

Now here's the thing to come out during all our discussions... DD13 has celebrated her birthday in WDW twice already, and this trip will be number 3 (All due to good luck more than us planning for it to be that way). DD15 (to be DD16 in Feb next year), has never had the 'Disney Birthday' experience, and actually (in a good humoured way) voice her opinion of this injustice. So we'll be doing what I've always said I'd never do, and DD15 will be having a 'fake, early sweet sixteenth birthday' during our time in DL. It's not a whole trip of birthday celebrating, but one day has been put aside as her birthday celebration. Her only request was for a character meal and for her to choose the rides/attractions for that day (just like her sister has done previously). After much procrastination, she decided on Minnie's for breakfast, nothing to do with the food - she just heard that was where you got to meet the most characters. DD13 and I also decided we'd give her a birthday surprise and have booked the Holiday Tour (which covers everything she loves about Disney), and then unknown to both DDs I've booked us a late dinner at Goofy's kitchen. She also mention that she'd like to do the love it or hate it much sought after meal at the Blue Bayou - I asked if it'd be OK for us to do this on another day - no problem - I figured we already had enough planned for her "Very Merry Unbirthday" (I found out from the DIS that the best chance of getting a waterside seat was to do an 11:30am booking - will let you know if it works).

The other adjustment to plans came a few weeks ago when DD13 asked if we could please take some time out to see the iconic Hollywood sights like 'the sign', the walk of fame etc. so I'm still in the process of booking a half day tour on the Sunday. It is the day after arrival, but I figure we can have a little nap while cruising down the freeway to and from LA, and that we won't miss out on so much park time as DL is open very late on the weekend (but not midweek).

So here's our plans for DL (at the moment):

Sat - arrive into LAX at 6:30am, private transfer to Ramada Main gate, hopefully inside DL by 9am - wishful thinking I know but I've gotta hope for the best . Blue Bayou lunch booked for 11:30am, hopefully we'll be hungry but have already decided I like the look of dessert best, so may just go with that . Otherwise we'll split a meal or two, but not the Monte Christo - it just doesn't do it for me, looks like way too much bread and batter, held together by the oil from frying - I know I'm treading on dangerous ground here as there are many many fans out there but yuck! Hopefully hotel room will be ready early/mid afternoon for us to go back and have a nap, I figure we'll probably need it by then. Back to DL for dinner at Cafe Orleans, just something light, but given they're predicting big crowds I thought it'd be a good idea to have an ADR to sit down for dinner. Plan is to stick around to watch the second show of Fantasmic - still debating over booking the dessert package - a lot of $$ for a dessert tray, and what if we're too tired and want to go back to the hotel to sleep? But then again it's only showing the first two nights of our stay and we HAVE to see it, at least once!

Sun - DL at opening, don't think I want to fight the EMH hoards at DCA for the elusive RSR FP, but that may change as from what I can see, RSR FP's take longer to run out on weekends when the park's open longer hours. Depending on crowds, rides etc. we may duck out to DTD for brunch at Ralph Brennans and indulge DD13 in her love for Jazz. Leave late morning for LA tour - nap on the way there, nap on the way back, then back to the parks for the evening's entertainment - Mad T-Party (since it's also only happening on the first 2 nights), ride RSR (if I decide to brave the madness and they're not enforcing FP return times yet), and maybe back to Fantasmic if we want to do it a second time. I'm really counting on them not enforcing the FP returns to make this plan work, collecting FP's in the morning ready for when we return after the LA tour. If not we'll just soak in the atmosphere and ride anything with a short enough line (that we actually want to ride - I've learnt now that there's no requirement that you should experience EVERY ride, especially when no one in the family has any interest in the ride what-so ever).

Mon - DCA to brave the RSR FP que, am hoping that Mondays's mean less people in the EMH FP line in front of us. Lunch reservation at Carthay Circle as that place looks amazing and the menu looks soooooo good. Since we're eating there, we may as well have dessert and get the WOC reserved area admission too - right??? The sacrifices we make... eating dessert is a price I'm willing to pay for that reserved area. (who am I kidding, I want the dessert way more than the WOC tickets)

Tues - DD15's (16's) Birthday Celebration 10am Plaza breakfast with Minnie, 1:30pm Holiday Tour, 4pm Christmas Parade, 8pm Dinner at Goofy's Kitchen - the rest of the day is up to her.

Wed - last day in DL I have reservations at for BB lunch at 11:30, and Carthay Circle at 5:40pm - but they're 'just in case' reservations which we'll decide if we want to keep after our first day or two at DL. We'll check out of hotel early and get them to hold bags and then head to the parks for the day...
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Can I ask you to elaborate on the perks of a Universal AP? Am I reading it correctly that you got everyone else's tickets cheaper because you had one AP? If so, how much cheaper?
Universal AP holders get a 15% discount on multi-day tickets purchased at the gate, which is around $6 a ticket cheaper than the $20 discount you get for purchasing online. So... we don't have to fork out the $$ to purchase tickets in advance, we get the big room discount, ticket discount, and 10% merchandise and dining at most locations through USO and Citywalk. Even for our short 3 day/2 night visit, it's well and truly worth it for one of us to have an AP.

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My family are staying at POFQ in December as well - from 9-20 December so I'll keep an ear out for some other Australians... We also managed to get the coveted BOG dining reservations but I didn't have to stay up late, our Disney TA did it all for us.
Lucky you - I've used Disney TA's previously (Dreams Unlimited), but now that dining reservations could be made online, thought I'd just do it myself - didn't count on the whole BOG booking debacle at the time - but you do what you gotta do for your kids You may pick us out from DH's or my Aussie Accent, but don't count on hearing Aussie teenagers. We spent 6 years living in Mozambique, and the girls started their schooling in an American school, so after our 5 days in DL I'm fully expecting the US twang to creep back in.
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I'm loving this! I really like all the details. Lucky you getting to fly Business!

Hope you feel better soon
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Wow, thanks for sharing and it all sounds fantastic! I'm really hoping you will be able to do a TR for us too
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I am in awe of your organisation and Excel skills-I thought I was spreadsheet obsessive but I bow to a greater master! Sounds great (and another Aussie Diser heading to Paris soon-it seems to be a trend!)

I was being nosy about your DH job so thanks for the update-just more common to hear about people off to China or India not so often Iceland! It will be fun exploring! Hoping you find time to post a TR-and not just of Disney for those travel obsessives on this site
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Sounds like an amazing trip.

My youngest DD has celebrated two birthdays at WDW, my older daughter - none, so she is currently planning her 21st at DLP.
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Evening all... I'm back to continue my ramblings, but first:

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... I don't know how you cope with your DH being away for 10 weeks at a time, mine is only away for 2 at a time and that is way to long for me.
I'm not quite sure either, I guess I just keep very very busy, chat with DH twice a day thanks to the wonder of 'FaceTime" (and spend far too much time on the DISboards and other assorted travel related websites)

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I'm loving this! I really like all the details. Lucky you getting to fly Business!

Hope you feel better soon
Am feeling much better today, thanks. Actually went to work but came home ready for a power nap mid afternoon. And yes we are lucky flying business, I'm not sure what I'm looking fwd to more - the s p a c e , or (hopefully) meals that I actually want to eat.

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Wow, thanks for sharing and it all sounds fantastic! I'm really hoping you will be able to do a TR for us too
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...Hoping you find time to post a TR-and not just of Disney for those travel obsessives on this site
To both of you - I'm hoping to do a TR too - DL should be fine to do as it'll be a way for me to wind down each day, but once DH joins us in Orlando I'm thinking that the DISboards may fade to the back of my mind somewhat

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My youngest DD has celebrated two birthdays at WDW, my older daughter - none, so she is currently planning her 21st at DLP.
Awesome! What time of the year is her birthday? I loved DLP, it was like being in a Disney themed country-side area, with so many surprises (and characters) around each corner on the winding paths - very different to WDW (not better or worse, just different) - it will be interesting to see what I think of it after I've been to the original DL.
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Iceland has HOW MANY Santa's???

Well not actual Santa's as in Iceland it is the Yule Lads who brings presents to the children during the night but... there are thirteen of them!! They're actually the mischievous sons of a troll who lives in the mountains who over the years have mellowed from striking fear into the hearts of naughty children to being thirteen brothers who comes down from the mountains, one each night and leave gifts in a child's shoe, usually left by the window. If you want to know more then check out the Icelandic Museum's info on the Yule Lads . Long story short - they bring one present each night from the 12th December right through until Christmas Eve, and of course my DDs are all for the 'if we're in Iceland then we need to do the Icelandic Chrismas', at least up until I told them of their traditional meal for the 23 December - putrid skate (i.e. cooked rotten fish) - that's one thing I'm not going anywhere near!!!!

We're going to have about three weeks with DH in Iceland, so hope to get out and about as much as possible (providing the weather is kind). At the moment it's hovering either side of zero degrees, not quite cold enough to maintain a thick covering of snow, but enough that there's white stuff on the ground most of the time. I'm assuming that it gets a bit colder over the next month as most of the photos I've seen of Reykjavik at Christmas had big drifts of snow alongside the roads everywhere. DH & I both love downhill skiing, and our DDs had their first taste of snowboarding in the States a few years ago so if we're lucky we'll be able to go skiing and snowboarding most days (the closest ski field is about half hour's drive from the city). I'm assuming the ski fields are all lit, as it's only daylight between about 11am and 3pm at that time of year - means not so much time for daylight activities, but heaps more opportunities to spot the Northern Lights . DH has had two sightings already, one from the bathroom window as he was brushing his teeth a few nights ago, and the other a couple of weeks ago. I could never figure out why an apartment in a country with only three hours of darkness in the summer, and three hours of daylight in the winter, would have a skylight above the bed in the attic bedroom. That is until DH was climbing into bed and saw the sky lit up with ribbons of green. Needless to say he was out of bed and into his ski jacket pants & boots in a flash - (he headed out of town a bit away from the city lights to get a better view and photos). I just hope we get a chance to see then while we're there - we need a clear night with no clouds (not easy), no wind (even rarer), and evidently the colder the better (not so difficult, but brrrrrrrrr).

New Years Eve is meant to be a big celebration with HEAPS of fireworks (since it's dark around 3pm). My first thought was "Oh dear, what about the embers falling on everything", then the realisation hit that it's not the middle of the bushfire season over there, and that the whole place is likely to be covered in snow. Mmm, don't s'pose fireworks embers are much of a problem then... The fireworks are easy to get hold of too, you buy them from the fire brigade (it's their main fundraiser for the year). I thought that was hilariously funny, but evidently the Icelandic people don't see the real irony in that according to DH. They are however, fiercely proud of their heritage and their folklore, especially their belief in the 'hidden people', but that story can wait until another time. Cheers to all, and thanks for the feedback, I'll try to keep the posts coming
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