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Old 09-09-2012, 05:57 PM   #1
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Not thrilled with the way WDW handles ECVs at MK

We just got back late last night from WDW. We had rented an ECV for my mom and also used a rental car most of the time to avoid the buses. However, the day we went to MK we used the bus and had several problems during the day. First off, we were staying at AKL. When the bus arrived early that morning at Jamba House, it had maybe ten people on it, that had boarded at Kidani Village. We saw the bus driver look at us, as he pulled up, but he just opened the front door and started to let people on. I went to the front door and told him we had an ECV that needed to be loaded. He looked back towards the back and said he had people sitting in the handicapped seats and he could not ask them to move. The people sitting there heard him and said no problem, they didn't mind moving to the empty seats. Right in front of me the driver actually told them that he couldn't ask them to move and if they wanted to stay there they could and we'd just have to catch the next bus. He just didn't want to deal with a scooter and made no secret of it and acted really put out when the other guests volunteered to move. Even after everybody else was loaded there were still empty seats on that bus, so no one was standing. I know they can't make someone stand so an ECV can get on and wouldn't even expect them to, but doesn't the bus driver usually ask guests to give up those seats if there are other empty seats available? This driver actually encouraged the guests to stay in those seats, even after they started getting up on their own. It was just really weird.

Later that morning the standby wait for Jungle Cruise was 5 minutes, so we decided to ride. A CM saw us and motioned for us to get in the handicapped line. We told her my mom could get out of the ECV and step down into the boat, but just couldn't walk very far. She told us to wait at the rope and she'd get us on the next boat. She then left us down there at the handicapped rope and apparently forgot about us. After the seventh boat, we started trying to wave one of the CMs over, but they just kept ignoring us. After a couple more boats went by, I finally got a CM's attention and he mouthed, "Oh my God. We forgot you were standing there. We'll get you on the next boat." However, he then left (apparently on break) and several more boats went by, at which time we finally gave up. I just released the rope so my mom could get out and we left. As we were leaving, I looked back to check the current wait time and it was still 5 minutes. We had easily waited 30 minutes and never did get on. The CMs just kept ignoring us.

My mom has always been able to ride her ECV through the Buzz Lightyear queu, but this time they made her transfer to a wheelchair and I had to push her through the queu. Not a big deal really, just a little annoying.

At the Haunted Mansion, we told the CM at the beginning of the line, that we needed to skip the stretching room (both because of the ECV, my mom's claustrophobic issues, and the fact that her eyes don't adjust from bight to dim lights and she wouldn't be safe to drive into the stretching room, plus she'd need the walkway stopped so she could board). The first CM said it wouldn't be a problem and to just tell the CM at the door, which we did. He told us to go to the right, not go into the stretching room, and to wait for another CM to let us in the back hallway. There was another ECV waiting over there and then another came in behind us so we all waited until they got almost everyone into the stretching room. Another CM saw us and asked what we were doing and when told we needed to avoid the crowd in the stretching room, sent us down the back hallway, where we waited for awhile until another CM came in and saw us. He then told us all to back up and that we had to go through the stretching room with the next set of guests. When all three parties informed him we needed to skip the stretching room, he said they were no longer using the back hallway and we had no choice but to join the crowd in the stretching room. When I told him my mom's eyes would have trouble adjusting to the dark light and she wouldn't be able to see to drive her ECV safely in that crowd, plus she would need the moving walkway stopped, he said that she probably would not be able to ride that particular ride then. When I told him we had always been able to skip the stretching room in the past and had had the walkway stopped, he said they no longer did either. One of the ECV's went on in, but we and the other ECV left, so didn't get to ride Haunted Mansion either.

That whole day it just seemed like the CMs did not want to deal with ECVs. We were very polite, but it was really hard to be so after we had trouble for the fourth time that day. We didn't have a single problem at any of the other parks, just MK.

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Old 09-09-2012, 07:06 PM   #2
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In a situation like this, I would recommend going to guest relations and filing a complaint. DH and I had two incidents in MK back in June. I was willing to let the first one go, but after the second we went to guest relations.

The firs incident occurred on Buzz Lightyear. We told the cm that I could transfer out of my wheelchair but that I needed the walkway slowed. He said that I could use the wheelchair car. I again said I could transfer. He said why bother transferring, you can just use the wheelchair car. I again said that I would rather transfer. He insisted that I use the wheelchair car, so I just gave up. He then slowed down the walkway so that I could load in my chair. He told DH to wheel me in and then sit next to me. Great, except that with me loaded in first DH couldn't get to the seat. At that point the CM told DH to just go in the car behind me. So we didn't even get to ride together. DH was mad.

The second incident happened at Haunted Mansion. We were sent to the back hallway where a CM met us and told me I had to walk 200 feet down the hallway to get on the ride. I said I don't think so; we've been on this before and the walkway has been able to be stopped. She told me that I would have to walk. I said that's not going to happen. She then sighed heavily and said "I guess I can stop the walkway.". Um....I guess you can. I could not believe that.

When it was time for us to get off the ride, I basically confronted her, asking her why she gave us such a hard time about getting on the ride, especially since the restrictions say "must transfer" and NOT "must be ambulatory.". She was clearly taken aback when I asked her and said that she did not mean to give us a hard time.

I was fuming at this point and DH headed right over to guest relations. I had the CM's name and just explained to someone there that we come back to Disney often because it's one of the only places where I can feel like my disability isn't a big issue. However that CM at HM made me feel like such a burden. The person asked what they could do to improve our visit and I said that I didn't want another guest to ever feel like I felt. They listened and called the manager at HM immediately.

I'm sorry for your negative experiences. We usually have one per trip, but there are so many other great experiences that we have been able to have because of Disney's accommodations that we keep going back.
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Old 09-09-2012, 07:21 PM   #3
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you both need to write disney guest realations on the problems you had as this uncalled for. the cm"s at bothe rides must have been new as I been there for years on EVc and never had anything but what I also call "lazy" bus driver who either does not know how to tie down a EVC or does not want to as he already running late and it happened at AKL by the way. they have one of the worse bus service besides Yachtclub and Beach clkub of any resort. it is pretty bad that that drivers passengars offered their seats and then he told them to stay in them. when people tryong to do the right thing and he tell them that.
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The HM is notorious for treating people with disabilities poorly, and for being inconsistent. My theory is that they assign all the CM's with bad attitudes there, in the hopes that "rude and dismissive" will just come off as "spooky."
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:08 PM   #5
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WOW! This really makes me sad and worried about our upcoming trip.

My sister would really enjoy HM, but I don't want to go through the line and then have to deal with the hassle of a mean CM!!!!

Those moving walkways scare ME and I don't have mobility issues.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:09 PM   #6
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the bus driver should of loaded you when he didn't you should of asked for a supervisor. if he didn't call for one their a phone at the bus stop because now it his word against yours. You should still write them and let them know maybe the driver will be honest just give them as much info as you can like time of day stop where you was going if you have their name and if you have a bus number and dot number so they can track which driver it is. was that the only bad experience with the bus or after that you used the rental car. write disney transportation bus department their a number on one of sue sticky you could call and ask to speak to a transportation manager in buses each mode of transportation has their own managers.
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the bus driver should of loaded you when he didn't you should of asked for a supervisor. if he didn't call for one their a phone at the bus stop because now it his word against yours. You should still write them and let them know maybe the driver will be honest just give them as much info as you can like time of day stop where you was going if you have their name and if you have a bus number and dot number so they can track which driver it is. was that the only bad experience with the bus or after that you used the rental car. write disney transportation bus department their a number on one of sue sticky you could call and ask to speak to a transportation manager in buses each mode of transportation has their own managers.
The only times we used the buses were to go to MK that one day and then one afternoon to go to DTD. We did not have any problems with a bus driver, except that one morning when we were going to MK. Coming back to the resort that evening and going to and from DTD we had very nice bus drivers.
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you both need to write disney guest realations on the problems you had as this uncalled for. the cm"s at bothe rides must have been new as I been there for years on EVc and never had anything but what I also call "lazy" bus driver who either does not know how to tie down a EVC or does not want to as he already running late and it happened at AKL by the way. they have one of the worse bus service besides Yachtclub and Beach clkub of any resort. it is pretty bad that that drivers passengars offered their seats and then he told them to stay in them. when people tryong to do the right thing and he tell them that.
all the drivers know how to tie down ecv/wheelchair most come from public transportation and have bad habit from that which are sometimes hard to break.
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I wonder if another thing to do besides the bus number would be to take a picture of the driver? How could they then dispute if you have the bus number and their picture that they weren't the one behaving that way?
That's EXACTLY what I Started to do!! LOL I aimed my camera in their direction and said, "would you like to smile for the picture I'm going to take of you? and then the on the identifying #'s on your bus?" I didn't yell any of this but said it calmly and assertively. Boy I didn't get a smile but almost a look of horror! roflol!


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That's EXACTLY what I Started to do!! LOL I aimed my camera in their direction and said, "would you like to smile for the picture I'm going to take of you? and then the on the identifying #'s on your bus?" I didn't yell any of this but said it calmly and assertively. Boy I didn't get a smile but almost a look of horror! roflol!

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If you want to take their pic that fine not sure what disney official policy is since it private property. I would ask them to smile or say anything because you will get a driver that will answer you in a way you don't like. Then you try to complain and Disney will say you shouldn't be takin pictures of the driver of they don't want their pix taken. I know in the parks it okay but not sure what their policy is for other places outside of the park and still on property.
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But when he told me I needed to do one thing, I looked at him and smiled and calmly said "Now, may I explain my needs to you?"

I did the exact same thing at the HM, and the CM simply turned on her heel and walked away while I was trying to talk to her.
WOW! That's a bummer! I'm sorry to hear they were so blantantly rude to you. We really did have great CMs there! That's why we kept going back. I asked them to slow the walkway down and when they did they said "is this enough? we can slow is more. do you want us to stop it?" I'm not in any way saying others didn't have negative experiences there as I understand how that works. I have witnessed bad bus service/ behavior and had it dismissed by others and how can they say what did or didn't happen when they weren't there. I just wish others could experience the same quality of service at HM as we do because it was exceptional IMO.


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I'm so sorry to hear of your bad experience. I would definitely write to guest relations.

Ugh, now I'm going to worry lol! That's what I seem to do best haha! We are staying offsite and I will be renting an ECV at MK. I do plan to park it and walk onto the rides though so maybe it will be okay.
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Sorry you had a bad experience. Surprising I had very few problems this trip. Haunted Mansion the belt was stopped for me although I did have to go through the Stretch room. Did it the day I was with my friend but skipped HM the day I was on my own.
My problem occurred at Studios at the American Idol Show. I got a lot of attitude when I told them I needed the sign language interpreter because I also use a powered wheelchair. I was told that PWC are never allowed in the front. (funny because all the times I have gone before I have been in the front with the interpreter in my PWC. I was even called a liar by a CM as he was lying to me about this.
I finally had to pull the ADA card and remind them that both my needs needed to be addressed and not just 1. I was finally allowed access to the interpreting but it was a hassle.

Only other hassle was at Night of Joy where people who had been at the first show refused to allow me to access the area in front of the interpreters and one CM told me I would just have to watch from the back. Can't read in the interpreters from the back. For the most part couldn't even see them from there. Maureen from Guest Services intervened Friday night and made to CM make room for me to get to a place I could see as long as no one stood. When I asked one man to sit he got nasty with me and told me he had been there since 3 and he was doing me a favor to even let me be there. No, you weren't doing me a favor, your person in a wheelchair was not hearing impaired and did not need to sit right in front of the interpreters and no you weren't there at 3 pm because Disney doesn't even start to set up that area until after the last Move It Shake It parade and clears the area and doesn't open up until 7. Sat night I wasn't able to get anywhere near the interpreters and ended up on the ramp. Not ideal but I could see some of the language and I already knew the lyrics of most of the songs. Problems at Night of Joy were not Disney but guests.
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That's EXACTLY what I Started to do!! LOL I aimed my camera in their direction and said, "would you like to smile for the picture I'm going to take of you? and then the on the identifying #'s on your bus?" I didn't yell any of this but said it calmly and assertively. Boy I didn't get a smile but almost a look of horror! roflol!

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If you want to take their pic that fine not sure what disney official policy is since it private property. I would ask them to smile or say anything because you will get a driver that will answer you in a way you don't like. Then you try to complain and Disney will say you shouldn't be takin pictures of the driver of they don't want their pix taken. I know in the parks it okay but not sure what their policy is for other places outside of the park and still on property.
Did I say I did took his picture??? NO, I did not. I said I acted like I was going to. Besides I'm smart enough to know if I contacted Disney not to admit taking a picture! But I could certainly use it to give a VERY accurate description of the driver and a name even (if the badge was visible in the picture)! Now if they brought it up to me, such as wow if you happen to have a picture that would really be helpful...then I would say, Oh well! Now that you mention it, I just happen to have one.
It is getting rather frustrating that you seem to think your way of handling this is the only right way. Personally, I don't think asking a driver to call for a supervisor right then and there is the right way at all! Making other guests on that bus wait more than 2 or 3 minutes is rude and self centered IMO. And it gives ECV users as a whole a bad reputation. I'd be ticked if I was on that bus and I had to wait. The chances that a supervisor is going to be there in under 15 minutes is fairly unlikely. And I think that your solution is suggesting that a person not think about how their request could impact others by making the rest of the guests wait and that is rather self centered. JMHO.....


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it not worth fighting over if you want take the picture all i was saying is it not a good idea to say the comment it might make it worse. i still stand behind calling for a supervisor so you can get a better out come then waiting but that my opinion. Even if it takes awhile for them to get their it still be better for you in the long run the bus dose not have to stay and hold the other people they have the driver who called for one and get your side and then get the drivers side later. This is just my opinion other may have better options and advice which is okay.
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