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Old 09-05-2012, 01:08 AM   #1
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Cameron / Disney Creative Differences......

IGN is reporting that there are delays with Avatar sequels and that James Cameron and Disney Imagineering are having creative differences...I am shocked! (not) ... I was never a fan of Avatarland, but I didn't think we'd ever really see it either...very curious as to what will happen next though.

From the IGN article.........

Remember back in June when James Cameron announced that he would be shooting three Avatar sequels simultaneously? Well, now it seems that the filmmaker may have been getting a little ahead of himself.

Indie Wire reports that Avatar 4 will not be a part of Cameron's back-to-back film shoot, according to producer Jon Landau. Additionally, it is still uncertain when production for Avatar 2 and Avatar 3 will begin as the former is currently slated for release no earlier than 2015.

The delays carry over into Cameron's World of Avatar attraction at Disney's Animal Kingdom, which was announced around this time last year. Due to creative differences between Cameron and Disney's Imagineer development team, it seems as though we'll be waiting even longer on that project as well.


Link to article: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/...-fourth-avatar
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Just shocking!

In Disney's rush to "me too" by copying the Potter success, they run into trouble. It's sad, because Disney Imagineering used to be the pinnacle of creativity and imagination. They created many memorable and beloved theme park attractions without benefit of a pre built franchise.

I'd much rather see Disney spend its money creating its own new land(s) by allowing Imagineers to create - and I don't care if there is a movie it's based on or a book. It's a Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Spaceship Earth, and so on are all attractions based only on the imagination of Disney's own - not a copy of someone else's projects. I suspect they'd save a lot of headaches and money - and if allowed to do so - create the next great them park icons that our children's generations will think upon fondly as we do with Walts' creations...

But that won't happen...
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I'd much rather see Disney spend its money creating its own new land(s) by allowing Imagineers to create - and I don't care if there is a movie it's based on or a book. It's a Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Spaceship Earth, and so on are all attractions based only on the imagination of Disney's own - not a copy of someone else's projects. I suspect they'd save a lot of headaches and money - and if allowed to do so - create the next great them park icons that our children's generations will think upon fondly as we do with Walts' creations.
I couldnt agree with this more if I had posted it myself.

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Isn't Cameron the same guy who ALWAYS gets "overly creative" (read: over-budget and behind schedule) on every project?! We all could see this coming from a mile away. I seem to recall even NASA rejected a collaberation with Cameron for these very reasons. Who was the WDW think tank who struck this deal?
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Isn't Cameron the same guy who ALWAYS gets "overly creative" (read: over-budget and behind schedule) on every project?! We all could see this coming from a mile away. I seem to recall even NASA rejected a collaberation with Cameron for these very reasons. Who was the WDW think tank who struck this deal?
Yep, James Cameron is widely known to be a control freak and perfectionist, I was shocked Disney decided to work with him...especially after basically not being to work with JK Rowling due to creative control issues. There was no think tank though, seems this one is all on Bob Iger, it was his big idea.
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Yep, James Cameron is widely known to be a control freak and perfectionist, I was shocked Disney decided to work with him...especially after basically not being to work with JK Rowling due to creative control issues. There was no think tank though, seems this one is all on Bob Iger, it was his big idea.
I wonder if this might play into the rumblings that John Lasseter and Bob Iger are not seeing eye to eye. Lasseter is as close to a Walt figure as we have, but I am a bit disappointed that the only projects he seems to take on with Disney are Pixar related. I would love to see more unrelated creative works!

And Spaceace - you are right - if you can't make a stuffed animal, it can't be a theme park attraction!
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I couldnt agree with this more if I had posted it myself.

Thanks Kevin.
I know I am old school (if 41 is old school!) in that Disney used to be a real good mixing of synergy with existing franchises and really creative "we do it because we can." Goodness, EPCOT Center was practically devoid of Disney characters or connections of any kind when it opened. That would never get greenlit today.

Sadly, the best we will get from Imagineering anymore may be Carsland. I've not seen it yet, but reviews are amazing. And I am happy to hear that. But I wish it had been Marc Davis' western river ride with no connection to a movie at all. Instead, we get a great treatment for a movie that may or may not have been all that successful (I won't get into that argument!).

I guess I need to come to grips with the new reality and make my choices. Like Pete says with the park price increases, we do have a choice and when the line gets crossed...I guess creative has not crossed my "line" yet since I am visiting in December, but eventually nostalgia won't be able to keep pace with economics!

Here's to the Dave Smith interactions on PCC 4.0. I am quite excited about that!
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I'd much rather see Disney spend its money creating its own new land(s) by allowing Imagineers to create - and I don't care if there is a movie it's based on or a book. It's a Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Spaceship Earth, and so on are all attractions based only on the imagination of Disney's own - not a copy of someone else's projects. I suspect they'd save a lot of headaches and money - and if allowed to do so - create the next great them park icons that our children's generations will think upon fondly as we do with Walts' creations...

But that won't happen...

The sad thing is that today probably none of those rides would have gotten the go ahead... without a known franchise there isn't enough plush and other merchandise to be sold.
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If you want to hear more on this, listen to the recent Unofficial Guide Podcast with Jim Hill and Len Testa. There is an Animal Kingdom edition where Jim talks about the delay...
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The sad thing is that today probably none of those rides would have gotten the go ahead... without a known franchise there isn't enough plush and other merchandise to be sold.
Absolutely true. It's really a shame. I listened to an interview with Bob Gurr where he basically said the same thing.
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Just shocking!

In Disney's rush to "me too" by copying the Potter success, they run into trouble. It's sad, because Disney Imagineering used to be the pinnacle of creativity and imagination. They created many memorable and beloved theme park attractions without benefit of a pre built franchise.

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But that won't happen...
Slightly off topic but I'm waiting for the day when I start hearing people say(not Disney fans though) "Pirates of the Caribbean is based of the Johnny Depp movie right?" I was excited for those movies mostly because it was based off of my favorite ride at Disney World not because Johnny Depp starred in it(though if he weren't in it it probably wouldn't have been as successful).

I do wish for new imagined attractions instead of those based off of another franchise but that seems to be where the parks are going these days. I understand the business side of it but it's still disappointing sometimes when you know what the Imagineers are capable of.
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