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Old 08-17-2006, 01:01 PM   #1
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Why no love for passholders on rates?

This new system is just trying to milk every last dime from passholders. After seeing the $59 a night passholder rate listing I (on dis near the dates for October) I called to book. I guess I was just overly excited and didn't see the next half of the line that said from 11/26 to 12-4. What really supprised me though was that with this "Passholder" "SPECIAL CODE" they quoted me $79 a night at a value plus $10 for an extra adult.

It used to be that being a passholder meant something, now it's not worth squat. You can get the same rate with a AAA card. I mean $79 a night as a "special rate" is just insulting. Considering the price for the PAP and as much time/money as I spend there they would cut PH's a break like they used to.

Now I know you're supposed to just "reserve" your room at price and "hope" they knock the price down if they just "decide" to drop rates; yea right. With gas prices the way they are and their blood sucking new pass holder "benefits" I'm afraid I'm going to have to break our tradition of going to WDW for vacations.

I know this is a bit of a rant and that some people actually like the new system but I'm not one of them. I'm going to miss you Mickey but you can only suck so much money out of me
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:12 PM   #2
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I agree with you (although we will continue to let Mickey suck money out of us ). We used to get great discounts on our rooms with an AP code. On our upcoming trip during the value season I got $10 a night off of our POR stay and $40 a night off of the Poly, which is good but not great. I don't want to sound ungrateful but really if we hadn't received any discount I would have cancelled our room at the Poly because to me it's not worth $320 a night (and I love it). When we stayed at POR in 2004 we got the room with a room only discount code for $100 a night and that wasn't during value season! Disney's been getting stingier every year that passes with codes.
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:36 PM   #3
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I agree and I am thinking of not renewinng our passes or going back for a long time. I have a reservation for December but I don't think I will go back Theres only palces in the US that I'm looking at tring instead of going to Disney every year.
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:49 PM   #4
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I agree and I am thinking of not renewinng our passes or going back for a long time. I have a reservation for December but I don't think I will go back Theres only palces in the US that I'm looking at tring instead of going to Disney every year.
I know what you mean! My DBF and I were looking into going to Hawaii next year and with everything included it's just $1,000 more for the same amount of nights at WDW. And we drive to WDW! Of course we could go to WDW cheaper but with ticket prices steadily going up, benefits going down for people who don't do the packages, and discounts being slim it's more and more expensive to have the kind of trip we want. Ok, I'm done throwing a pity party.

Not to mention that the DDE card went up in price as well.
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Old 08-17-2006, 02:07 PM   #5
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I'm just so happy that they got rid of Best Rate that I'll take what I can get at this point I think that a big factor in how deep of a discount you get is which season you go in, ie bigger discounts when crowds are low.
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I just saved over 800 with my AP for Thanksgiving !!!! But I can remember a few years ago when we stayed at WL for 120 a night.
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This new system is just trying to milk every last dime from passholders. After seeing the $59 a night passholder rate listing I (on dis near the dates for October) I called to book. I guess I was just overly excited and didn't see the next half of the line that said from 11/26 to 12-4. What really supprised me though was that with this "Passholder" "SPECIAL CODE" they quoted me $79 a night at a value plus $10 for an extra adult.

It used to be that being a passholder meant something, now it's not worth squat. You can get the same rate with a AAA card. I mean $79 a night as a "special rate" is just insulting. Considering the price for the PAP and as much time/money as I spend there they would cut PH's a break like they used to.

Now I know you're supposed to just "reserve" your room at price and "hope" they knock the price down if they just "decide" to drop rates; yea right. With gas prices the way they are and their blood sucking new pass holder "benefits" I'm afraid I'm going to have to break our tradition of going to WDW for vacations.

I know this is a bit of a rant and that some people actually like the new system but I'm not one of them. I'm going to miss you Mickey but you can only suck so much money out of me
I just went through this too and I bet I know what the reason is. I booked Pop Century in December and they only had preferred location rooms available.

Because I could only book a preferred room, I had to pay an extra $40 for 3 nights. Couldn't find any availability at all at the All-Stars.

I think right now they really don't need to make as many discounts available to help fill rooms, but I also know they've greatly expanded the inventory of "preferred" rooms at the values. It costs $12 more per night to book a "preferred" room, and if that's all they have available, that's what you'll book if you really want to go.

My "preferred" room is still $10 a night less than it would have been if I booked a standard without the discount I think.

But I bought the AP because I am there a lot, not primarily because I want a room discount.
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Old 08-17-2006, 08:10 PM   #8
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I think we all know the discounts are not guaranteed. I think a great many of us, however, are disappointed and I think it's perfectly normal to feel that way.

A lot of websites (including this one) outline the benefits of an AP, the number one of which always seems to be resort discounts. I quote Mousesavers "Savings for Annual and Seasonal Passholders can be deep (up to 45%)" and again "When available, the Annual Passholder rates are so good that in some cases it's worth investing in an Annual Pass for relatively short stays!" In the past, that was a wonderful feature that probably helped many people. It's too bad it's not the case right now.

Personally, I always knew it was a gamble to count on resort discounts. My currently planned vacations don't depend on them - we'll go regardless. My gamble probably won't pay off and in the end Disney will win, because I'll probably feel that I 'need' to go an extra time or too to justify having bought the pass. They know what they're doing, that's for sure.
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Old 08-18-2006, 06:45 AM   #9
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This new system is just trying to milk every last dime from passholders. After seeing the $59 a night passholder rate listing I (on dis near the dates for October) I called to book. I guess I was just overly excited and didn't see the next half of the line that said from 11/26 to 12-4. What really supprised me though was that with this "Passholder" "SPECIAL CODE" they quoted me $79 a night at a value plus $10 for an extra adult.

It used to be that being a passholder meant something, now it's not worth squat. You can get the same rate with a AAA card. I mean $79 a night as a "special rate" is just insulting. Considering the price for the PAP and as much time/money as I spend there they would cut PH's a break like they used to.

Now I know you're supposed to just "reserve" your room at price and "hope" they knock the price down if they just "decide" to drop rates; yea right. With gas prices the way they are and their blood sucking new pass holder "benefits" I'm afraid I'm going to have to break our tradition of going to WDW for vacations.

I know this is a bit of a rant and that some people actually like the new system but I'm not one of them. I'm going to miss you Mickey but you can only suck so much money out of me
Sorry I don't agree at all. They are giving you exactly what they always did with a AP 365 days of park entrance, park hopping and water parks, if a PAP. The room discounts were always an extra but never a guarantee.
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Old 08-18-2006, 07:10 AM   #10
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We love Disney!

But, I know what you're saying. It's getting so crazy expensive. We didn't renew our AP's this year. In hindsight, I guess we should have since the new price is $462.00! That's crazy. I remember when the AP's paid for themselves in 8 days. No longer the case. Then, top that off with the fact that discounts aren't what they use to be. I remember going to the Polynesian during value season for $199 AP rate. Then, regular season for $229.00. Right now, the regular season discount rate is $289. I'm talking Garden View of course.

We honeymooned at Disney in 1994. And, we've gone every year since - some years 2 and 3 times. It has such sentimental value to us on top of it being a fantastic vacation! But, we have to start thinking about more trips to other destinations. We do go to the gulf coast of Florida in addition to Disney, but we make that a side trip and Disney our main trip. We could go to Siesta Key, FL - rent a condo for $795 for the entire week. A nice, gulf front condo. No ticket media to purchase. Meal costs aren't crazy expensive...we could go to this lovely place (and have done so) for less than $2,000.00. For what a Disney trip costs, we could almost do Hawaii which is our dream.

But, it makes me sad. Disney is our spot. Our special happy place!

Here's the good news - the Swan and Dolphin offer decent discounts. And, you don't have to have AP's. We've stayed there twice and love it...I can't say they are my favorite resort there on property, but it's high up on the list. We'll probably start staying there a lot more. We typically go on average 2x a year. Sometimes 2 trips plus one small long weekend trip. For the longer trip, we stay at one of our favorite Disney-owned resorts..the Polynesian, YC, BC usually. We've also stayed at GF, WL and OKW. Then, for a shorter trip we stay at the Swan or Dolphin. It's getting to the point where that is all we can afford - the Swan or Dolphin. Which isn't a bad thing!

All this said, what we're planning on doing is cutting our trips down to once a year, which means not buying AP's. Then eventually, we may wean off to once every other year. I don't know.

I'm sad.

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Old 08-19-2006, 09:13 AM   #11
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Well.... we did get an AP rate!

We did get an AP rate for Thanksgiving! Compared to the past the rates are not as great as they have been but still we did get a rate of $130 per night at CSR (that is without tax of course). We spend every evening in PI so the Premium Annual Pass is something we do get our money out of. I do remember days when AP rates were better but to me it beats paying the standard rate that would normally apply if you did not have an AP. I guess, it depends on how much you want to go and what you are willing to pay. "Mickey" wins this time but with Millionaire gone and prices soaring... who knows if all inclusive vacations might be a possiblity in the future. After all.... we love WDW but as a Passholder the discount should grow stronger over time not weaken! IMHO
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Old 08-19-2006, 06:49 PM   #12
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Boy this thread really blew up. Frankly I think this one is as bad as the pee in the bed one that was posted on the Resort forum. I'm a Florida resident about 6 hours away from WDW, we are taking our third trip this year. I get my Mickey Monitor every quarter, I think. I feel I've gotten some great discounts and I am pleased with my AP. WDW just sent me an on-line survey and I let them know that discounted price means the difference from statying on Disney property or off sight. The Orlando area has some great hotels and resorts.
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:37 AM   #13
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We have traditionally gone to Disney 4-6 times a year. We aren't big park people, so for us, the draw of the AP has been the room discount. I wouldn't even get an AP, if I could get a discount Epcot in the evening ticket. I have AAA, and continue to get email codes, which gave me decent room discounts. Right now, the non expiring tickets will do it for us, over the AP rate, unless I see a really good room discount. I did not renew this year for the first time in years and years, and instead, I cancelled my next Disney trip, and I'm going to Hawaii and CA for two weeks. I suspect, without that AP making me feel I need to get my money worth by going many times to Disney, our trips to FL will dwindle, and we'll continue to see the rest of the US instead. So, in my case, Disney will be making less money, since without the AP, we aren't as inclined to go to Disney. And without the good room discounts, we aren't as inclined to get an AP.
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without that AP making me feel I need to get my money worth by going many times to Disney..

...Disney will be making less money, And without the good room discounts, we aren't as inclined to get an AP.
Disney will make more money if they can shift away from people that are coming mulitiple times to take advantage of their one-time purchase of an AP ticket, and mostly coming when they also get discounts on their rooms.

...if Disney can fill those slots instead with people paying full price for room and tickets.... its a win-win for Disney. Fewer people, paying more money, makes the parks more enjoyable in one way because its less crowded.

But, everything I read, keeps saying that travel demand is up, and Disney is seeing record numbers of bookings.

I don't like when supply & demand work against me either. But this seems to be what's happening


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I don't buy that. We eat out 3 meals a day, and always buy souviners. I am spending way more at their overpriced restaurants, than they would save on me paying more for the rooms, or the saving by using an AP. We almost always bring guests who also spend money (including on tickets, because I may get them a less expensive room, but they still buy tickets), But I really don't care. I'm glad I decided to go to Hawaii and other vacation spots. It's good to be out of the Disney rut.

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Disney will make more money if they can shift away from people that are coming mulitiple times to take advantage of their one-time purchase of an AP ticket, and mostly coming when they also get discounts on their rooms.

...if Disney can fill those slots instead with people paying full price for room and tickets.... its a win-win for Disney..
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