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Rumors Rocks 02-03-2014 06:34 AM

Article: Did Pixar's Monsters University deserve its Oscars snub?
 
Why was it omitted to make way for films like The Croods? http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/did-pixar...001800293.html

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It's funny how things turn out. Ever since Pixar released 'Toy Story' almost 20 years ago, they've been on a steady rise in the CGI world, whereas Disney, the monopolists of the animation industry for 50+ years, have struggled to adapt.

More accomplished films have surfaced recently, with 'Bolt' and 'Tangled' showing that the Mouse House had finally begun to get to grips with computer animation, yet still remained behind Pixar, and significantly so. However, the past 18 months have seen the balance of power shift. While Pixar's rep has remained strong and ever-expansive, they've perhaps not emulated the same string of successes as their perceived 'Golden Era' that saw 'Ratatouille', 'WALL-E', 'Up' and 'Toy Story 3' released over consecutive year from 2007-10. Since that, their quality has dipped a little with the awful 'Cars 2', followed by the entertaining 'Brave' and 'Monsters University'.

Don't get me wrong; 'Monsters University' is a great film. It's funny, sweet, beautifully animated and has a solid, if not overly imaginative story. To the same degree, 'Brave' looks stunning and is a pleasant experience, but lacks the spark of said 'Golden Era' titles -- notably, each of those went on to win a Best Animation Oscar. 'Cars 2', unsurprisingly, didn't, yet 'Brave', to my shock, did.

In contrast, Disney's CGI output has significantly upped its game. 'Tangled', 'Wreck-It Ralph' and 'Frozen', their recent movies, show a massive improvement from previous efforts. But was it right that Pixar got a snub for 'Monsters University' as 'Frozen' sails through as a frontrunner? It was a surprise, to say the least, with the only other snub coming in the shape of 'Cars 2', which, for me, was a shallow, unfunny movie lacking any substance or spark. 'Monsters University' isn't on par with this. If I were to place it in Pixar's rankings, then sure, it would fall short of the 'Toy Story' trilogy and a few other gems, but I believe it's superior to 'Brave' and much better than both 'Cars' films.

So why the omission? Critical and public reception was positive, as were the box office takings. It's interesting to look at the competition in the Animation Oscar group, too. 'Ernest and Celestine' is a special, heart-warming animation and 'Frozen' is a definite high point for Disney in recent years. But why were 'Despicable Me 2' and 'The Croods' favoured over it? The latter isn't a particularly engaging film, yet has been included in the shortlist. It baffles me how this is deemed worthy, but MU isn't. Pixar's movie is superior to that of DreamWorks', there's no doubt in my mind, so what gives?

Were the Academy simply trying to mix it up? Pixar feature regularly, so was it a case of allowing something else to win for a change? Surely not, as there should be no bias involved. Was it weighed up against the merit of their previous titles? I certainly hope not. It shouldn't matter that it's a sequel;
'Toy Story 3' was up for (overall) Best Picture in 2011 and breezed its way to the Animation gong.

Disappointing doesn't cover it, especially when you sit through the likes of
'The Croods'; I've no idea why it was left out in favour of this. 'Monsters University' is intelligent, witty and fun, whereas 'The Croods' isn't.

The snub is hard to take, not only as a member of the hard-working Pixar team, but as a fan, also. Hopefully the Oscars 2016 will see either 'The Good Dinosaur' or 'Inside Out' walk away with a win.

As a Pixar fan, are you disappointed that 'Monsters University' wasn't nominated for an Oscar?'

surferdave 02-03-2014 07:51 AM

I can't agree with the author, I think The Croods was better (if only a little). So were Despicable Me and of course Frozen (I didn't see the other two nominees).

Proud Cheapskate 02-03-2014 09:27 AM

I didn't think Monsters U deserved a nomination, it was just ok in my book but the Croods was painful to watch

Iowajes 02-03-2014 12:42 PM

I thought Monster's University was a fun movie (and IMO better than the Croods; though the Croods did what the first Monster's Inc did: built an entire world that was pretty outstanding) but I didn't really feel like it was much more than a derivative of the first. It wasn't really outstanding to me, so I don't think it deserved a nomination for best animated picture.

The Saving Mr. Banks snub was much bigger, IMO.

jewood1234 02-03-2014 12:51 PM

Am a huge Pixar fan...but Monsters U was a "second tier" Pixar effort. Frozen was superior in story, production, and music. (My opinion!)

Seems right to me for this year.

Castle2Castle 02-03-2014 01:48 PM

I haven't seen all the films up for consideration, but having seen MU I didn't feel like it would be an Oscar contender regardless of the competition. It was enjoyable and I really liked it for entertainment value, but nothing about the animation or story struck me as the higher caliber for Oscar talk.

Michael623 02-03-2014 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jewood1234 (Post 50633384)
Frozen was superior in story, production, and music. (My opinion!)

I think this is everyone's opinion. MU to Frozen is an apples to oranges comparison.

Whatsthegoodword 02-04-2014 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jewood1234 (Post 50633384)
Am a huge Pixar fan...but Monsters U was a "second tier" Pixar effort. Frozen was superior in story, production, and music. (My opinion!)

Seems right to me for this year.

+1.

Yeah, MU was better than "Crudes" ;) , but it was still just "good." Pixar needs to get back to basics. They haven't had a new idea in awhile now. :confused3

cpanagiotakos 02-04-2014 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud Cheapskate (Post 50631918)
I didn't think Monsters U deserved a nomination, it was just ok in my book but the Croods was painful to watch

Completely and totally agree with this statement. It was painful. MU definitely deserved it more than the Croods. Despicable Me 2 was cute.

OnSpaceshipEarth 02-05-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Whatsthegoodword (Post 50640146)
+1.

Yeah, MU was better than "Crudes" ;) , but it was still just "good." Pixar needs to get back to basics. They haven't had a new idea in awhile now. :confused3

It looks like some are missing the point of the OP. He didn't say that it was Pixar's *best ever*...only that it is remarkably better than the The Croods.

The Croods got a nomination...MU didn't.

Everyone agrees that Frozen deserves it, that's not even what the OP is talking about.

In a nutshell, if there was to be a film "snubbed" this year it should have been The Croods...NOT Monsters University.


Okay... please continue to discuss from this new starting point.

P.S.-while I do think Frozen is better than MU....MU is still a wonderful, animated film that is another solid entry in the Pixar canon. It should have easily garnered a nomination, imho.

The Croods? Yuck.

wiigirl 02-05-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud Cheapskate (Post 50631918)
I didn't think Monsters U deserved a nomination, it was just ok in my book but the Croods was painful to watch

Agreed! :)

OnSpaceshipEarth 02-05-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wiigirl (Post 50650016)
Agreed! :)

So if MU deserved to be snubbed, and The Croods should have also been snubbed...what animated film should have gone into that slot?

surferdave 02-06-2014 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by OnSpaceshipEarth (Post 50650298)
So if MU deserved to be snubbed, and The Croods should have also been snubbed...what animated film should have gone into that slot?

I think it was a particularly bad year for animated films; other than Frozen I didn't walk out of any other mainstream production thinking "wow, that was a pretty good movie".

I'm not one to defend the Academy's choices over the years because I think they miss the mark an awful lot, but I also don't think the studios should feel miffed if they miss a nomination unless they think they had a good enough movie to win the award. If I had read that Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2 and Free Birds had gotten nominations ahead of Monsters University, though I think MU was better, I would have just thought "too bad, but Pixar should have made it better if they wanted to ensure a nomination". Frozen is the only one I saw this year that I thought would have deserved to feel snubbed if it missed the nomination.

DRDISNEYMD 02-08-2014 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rumors Rocks (Post 50631125)

~Brave did not deserve the Oscar last year -- like Merida's mom was really going to remain a stupid bear forever.

~Wreck it Ralph was a much better film and deserved the Oscar -- Disney Animation was robbed. We were all blindsided as no one knew that Turbo was King Candy -- no one.

~I think The Academy caught some flack for that and really put Pixar under the microscope this year. I liked Monsters U way more than the Croods. It just doesn't deserve an Oscar. Some Pixar fans are really taking this to heart. :(

ChoppityChops 02-08-2014 06:49 AM

I think the problem is that the pool is too small to draw from. I'd almost like to see the award every 3rd year of something like that. It's like "hey, there were 5 major animated films, so we'll nominate all but one, and then pick which was the best, when in reality the best was a B+". They grade some of these smaller categories on a curve. And when you have a bunch of B-quality films, it almost doesn't matter which you nominate.


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