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pooh2001 03-12-2013 01:46 PM

Better life guards at WDW pools or sign that says you must be able to swim to enter?
 
Per DIS..
http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/General_...orld_hotel.htm

13 year old boy in Value resort almost drowns.
My heart and prayers go out to the family and I hope he survives and takes some swimming lessons.

Do you think WDW needs to train the life guards better?

Do you think the sign by the pool should add, "if you can not swim, do not go into water above your head" ?

How deep are the pools in a Value (Pop) resort ?
Maybe 5 feet at the maximum area.
How tall is a 13 year old boy ?
Most likely at least 5 feet.

I would think a 13 year old boy at least knows how to tread water and do the doggy paddle.

My DS & DD started swim lessons at age 6.
They are not Olympic swimmers, but they at least could swim 100 yards, float on their back s, tread water, do the crawl and breast stroke.

EpcotBill 03-12-2013 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooh2001 (Post 47776751)
Per DIS..
http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/General_...orld_hotel.htm

13 year old boy in Value resort almost drowns.
My heart and prayers go out to the family and I hope he survives and takes some swimming lessons.

Do you think WDW needs to train the life guards better?

Do you think the sign by the pool should add, "if you can not swim, do not go into water above your head" ?

How deep are the pools in a Value (Pop) resort ?
Maybe 5 feet at the maximum area.
How tall is a 13 year old boy ?
Most likely at least 5 feet.

I would think a 13 year old boy at least knows how to tread water and do the doggy paddle.

My DS & DD started swim lessons at age 6.
They are not Olympic swimmers, but they at least could swim 100 yards, float on their back s, tread water, do the crawl and breast stroke.

Lifeguards were not on duty when this happened so I don't think their training has anything to do with it.

RunningWithScissors 03-12-2013 01:54 PM

Not sure there really is an answer. When the lifeguards are OFF duty, you swim at your own risk and there are signs all over the pool areas saying this. I know this will not be a popular answer, but if there are NO lifeguards, I would NEVER send my kids to the pool alone--regardless of their ages. It is NOT worth the risk--especially if they like to horseplay.

As for the 13 year old near drowning victim, he was with him family and was properly supervised according to all of the articles I read. His own father performed CPR on him until paramedics could get there. It was a tragic accident and as of yet, there is no one to blame. Now, if it came out that he was diving in an area that was marked NO DIVING, then obviously there is some liability assumed there. But at this point, nobody knows the exact circumstances that led to him being found unconscious under water.

The fact is, accidents will happen no matter what. That said, the likelihood of a catastrophic accident will decrease with proper supervision, whether that is a lifeguard, a parent or both. People need to use common sense when they are in the pools. Just because your kids can swim unsupervised in your own pool or one MUCH less crowded than one at Disney, doesn't mean you should turn them loose at a crowded resort pool. If you do, you assume ALL RISKS.

2manypets 03-12-2013 01:54 PM

It could also be that he may of bumped his head and passed out. It's not necessarily because he couldn't swim.

pooh2001 03-12-2013 01:58 PM

So true - they only swim with some friends in our pool. I do come out and check on them sometimes - but our pool is 5 foot high, above ground. All swimmers are tall enough to stand up in the pool with their heads above water.
Plus we have a No Diving rule.

I feel bad for the family - maybe the pool should be roped off when no life guard is around.

The Dolphin/Swan do not let anyone swim in the Grotto pool until the life guard arrives at his/her post.

willowsnn3 03-12-2013 01:58 PM

POP life guards have always been very vigilant on my many stays there.
Even an experienced swimmer can have problems no matter what their age.
I'm 61 years old and cannot swim, but please don't try to keep me out of the pool!!

RunningWithScissors 03-12-2013 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2manypets (Post 47776835)
It could also be that he may of bumped his head and passed out. It's not necessarily because he couldn't swim.

Based on the fact that those pools are relatively shallow, this is probably what happened. It can happen so fast, too. In a busy pool, it isn't THAT hard to miss one kid either. When the lifeguards aren't there, there isn't someone there constantly telling kids NO DIVING. You have to make sure your kids know and abide by the rules of the pool.

Praying for this boy. So tragic.

pooh2001 03-12-2013 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willowsnn3 (Post 47776882)
POP life guards have always been very vigilant on my many stays there.
Even an experienced swimmer can have problems no matter what their age.
I'm 61 years old and cannot swim, but please don't try to keep me out of the pool!!


But I bet you could stand in the Pop pool with your head above water !

bowbat 03-12-2013 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooh2001 (Post 47776751)
Per DIS..
http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/General_...orld_hotel.htm

13 year old boy in Value resort almost drowns.
My heart and prayers go out to the family and I hope he survives and takes some swimming lessons.

Do you think WDW needs to train the life guards better?

Do you think the sign by the pool should add, "if you can not swim, do not go into water above your head" ?

How deep are the pools in a Value (Pop) resort ?
Maybe 5 feet at the maximum area.
How tall is a 13 year old boy ?
Most likely at least 5 feet.

I would think a 13 year old boy at least knows how to tread water and do the doggy paddle.

My DS & DD started swim lessons at age 6.
They are not Olympic swimmers, but they at least could swim 100 yards, float on their back s, tread water, do the crawl and breast stroke.

As others have said, there were no lifeguards on duty at the time of this accident, and there is signage in place to inform guests that, in the absence of lifeguards, they swim at their own risk.

Any number of things could have caused this, from hitting his head to a medical incident. Swimming ability probably had nothing to do with it (which is why one should never assume a child would be perfectly safe at all times in a pool just because they know how to swim).

willowsnn3 03-12-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pooh2001 (Post 47776898)
But I bet you could stand in the Pop pool with your head above water !

You're right. I'm usually the one keeping a very close eye on the grandkids any time they are in the pool even tho they can all swim like a fish. Maybe there should be a night shift of life guards. There is usually always someone in the pool late at night.

Dano1182 03-12-2013 03:01 PM

I have always found the Disney lifeguards to be exteremly vigliant .They are extremely well trained and drill often.

Many things could cause a person to have difficulty in shallow water.

Simply swallowing water can cause distress and panic. I have personaly seen

people panicing in water that they could easily stand in.

Also a person could have a medical condition that caused them to go under.

It is my experience that most hotels do not have any lifeguards at all.

msjprincess 03-12-2013 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooh2001 (Post 47776881)
So true - they only swim with some friends in our pool. I do come out and check on them sometimes - but our pool is 5 foot high, above ground. All swimmers are tall enough to stand up in the pool with their heads above water.
Plus we have a No Diving rule.

I feel bad for the family - maybe the pool should be roped off when no life guard is around.

The Dolphin/Swan do not let anyone swim in the Grotto pool until the life guard arrives at his/her post.

What about the "quiet pools" that don't even have lifeguards?

safetymom 03-12-2013 03:45 PM

The boy died this afternoon. Prayers go out to his family.

dp911 03-12-2013 03:58 PM

He dove when it clearly states no diving. Follow rules.

Dano1182 03-12-2013 04:01 PM

Are you kidding ?A 13 year old boy dies the response is follow rules.
That is the most heartless thing I have ever read on these boards.


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