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Qltrgrl2 10-13-2012 08:49 AM

Race medal question....do all races give finisher medals to those who are swept?
 
My daughter is writing a post on our blog and I am trying to get some facts about how races (other than Disney) handle the runners who DNF. If you have participated in non Disney races that give out finisher medals can you please post the race and if you know the answer about DNF/medals. It will be greatly appreciated. TIA

FFigawi 10-13-2012 09:22 AM

Some that I've done:

Richmond - No
Charlotte - No
Rocky Raccoon - No
RnR San Antonio - No
Houston - No
Marine Corps - No
Austin - No
RnR VA Beach - No
RnR Madrid - No

In short, with the sad exception of Disney, races give finisher medals to those who finish. If Disney wants to give out thanks-for-trying medals, it'd be a lot easier to just hand them out at packet pickup.

Qltrgrl2 10-13-2012 09:45 AM

John, This is exactly what we thought, but we have only done the R and R Virginia Beach (which we finished ;)) so we were not sure. I have asked questions on the FB pages of some of these races, but no responses yet. Really appreciate your answer.

johde 10-13-2012 09:53 AM

I'm going to agree with John that the number of races that give out finishers medals to people that are swepted is probably small. The only ones I know of are Disney and R&R. In R&R's case, they don't sweep unless you're injured, they move you forward in the course in you fall off pace.

That being said, I've been in several races with combined marathon and half where half marathoners who fall off pace can still finish with official times and medals after the course closes but they need to finish on sidewalks.

AnotherPrincess 10-13-2012 10:09 AM

I've actually done some local races where you don't even have to start to get the medal. One race gave it out at packet pick up, which was kind of a buzz kill. Another one posted on its FB page that if you registered but were unable to make it to the race let them know and they will mail the shirt and medal to you. Granted these are small local races but still...

Rupert B Puppenstein 10-13-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FFigawi (Post 46432262)

In short, with the sad exception of Disney, races give finisher medals to those who finish. If Disney wants to give out thanks-for-trying medals, it'd be a lot easier to just hand them out at packet pickup.

100% agree! I always wonder how many people get those medals without finishing and actually come back the next year to earn it as a finisher?

The RNR Chicago swept people when they weren't at a certain point on the course by a certain time. My understanding is that they didn't get a medal, but I have heard that RNR has at least in the past, swept people, driven them to the finish line, and had them run/limp across it and get their finishers medal. Haven't witnessed it myself, but RNR and Disney are the only two race series that are known for giving medals to everyone. Most small races I have participated in don't even give you a shirt until you cross the finish line.

fashionista311 10-13-2012 07:06 PM

Agree with what's already been said...outside of Disney and Rock n Roll, it's practically unheard of, at least with the races I've run. I personally don't really care either way. I run and race because I have genuinely grown to really love the sport, and medals are just that..pieces of metals. What matters to me is my PRs, and all the hard work that I've put in to get where am I today (and hopefully still improving!) But at the same time, I can't really imagine why anyone would want a medal for a race they didn't finish.

thndrmatt 11-11-2012 02:57 AM

To answer the OP question as it applied to WaD tonight, on the way to the car today at about the 3 hour point of the race I saw a sweeper bus offload about 20 athletes into a totally separate finish area in another parking lot. They had the same powerade water food boxes set up, and all were given (and accepted) medals. Based on the timing I'm guessing they made it half way or less? Some were actually laughing about how they didn't have to finish to get the medal and would now have more energy and time for the after party. Different strokes for different folks...

Disneyland_emily 11-11-2012 11:14 AM

I think its become a 'new norm' for Disney races where people sign up planning on being swept knowing full well all they'll manage is 1-2 miles..

I really disagree with this because I feel medals should only be given to those who finish the whole race in the allotted time- They are endurance races not 'fun runs' and so not everyone can and should participate.

I think in a lot of ways it devalues the race...

-em

FFigawi 11-11-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thndrmatt (Post 46679255)
To answer the OP question as it applied to WaD tonight, on the way to the car today at about the 3 hour point of the race I saw a sweeper bus offload about 20 athletes into a totally separate finish area in another parking lot. They had the same powerade water food boxes set up, and all were given (and accepted) medals. Based on the timing I'm guessing they made it half way or less? Some were actually laughing about how they didn't have to finish to get the medal and would now have more energy and time for the after party. Different strokes for different folks...

That's just sad in so many ways. I don't know who I have less respect for, Disney for giving out the medals or people for laughing about taking them.

Terapin 11-11-2012 01:15 PM

Yeah but they may not have been genuine. They may have been trying to save face with each other, or convince themselves. Live and let live. *I* wouldn't handle it that way, but...

cewait 11-11-2012 01:16 PM

BOTH....

First, there is a growing entitlement subculture who are no longer embarrassed about not finishing and actually start the race knowing they can easily bail and still look like a finisher later that day. There are a growing number of blog entries on the web noting their so called accomplishments. I want to say that a vast majority of the ones I find are actually not proud of the fact but there are a few stick in you eye blogs that make you want to cry foul.

Disney just because since 05 or 06 they have thrown a bone to swept runners who were caught out be surprise. They seem to have a high level of fear that a guest would be upset by an action that happens while visiting the parks.

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dumbo_buddy 11-11-2012 02:29 PM

I think many of you are being really insensitive to those athletes who trained just as hard, if not harder, than you did for a disney race and were swept. Let's be clear that not every person who is swept planned on just running a mile or two and getting the medal anyway. There are folks who work their butts off and are extremely disappointed that they were swept. Do they deserve a medal? Absolutely. These races are more than just the race. They are the journey leading up to them too. And some of those folks who were swept went on the same journey as we all did and trained hard. They deserve the medal and them some for having the courage and the tenacity to keep going and trying even though those balloons were on their tail.

Don't "lose respect" for those who were swept and accepted a medal. Give them the utmost respect and be thankful that you have never been swept.

Do the medals say "finisher" on them? No. All participants absolutely should receive one.

Could there be people who signed up knowing they wouldn't finish but wanted a medal? Sure. Maybe. But does it harm you at all that they have one? No.

OP - sorry for the hijack. I know some of the folks who replied won't look at this post and think of those people that are sad to have been swept after having put so much effort in and realize that they definitely deserve a medal. But I hope your daughter will respect those people who worked their butts off and tried their best. I hope my kids realize that that is the most important thing.

Worfiedoodles 11-11-2012 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dumbo_buddy (Post 46681959)
I think many of you are being really insensitive to those athletes who trained just as hard, if not harder, than you did for a disney race and were swept. Let's be clear that not every person who is swept planned on just running a mile or two and getting the medal anyway. There are folks who work their butts off and are extremely disappointed that they were swept. Do they deserve a medal? Absolutely. These races are more than just the race. They are the journey leading up to them too. And some of those folks who were swept went on the same journey as we all did and trained hard. They deserve the medal and them some for having the courage and the tenacity to keep going and trying even though those balloons were on their tail.

Don't "lose respect" for those who were swept and accepted a medal. Give them the utmost respect and be thankful that you have never been swept.

Do the medals say "finisher" on them? No. All participants absolutely should receive one.

Could there be people who signed up knowing they wouldn't finish but wanted a medal? Sure. Maybe. But does it harm you at all that they have one? No.

OP - sorry for the hijack. I know some of the folks who replied won't look at this post and think of those people that are sad to have been swept after having put so much effort in and realize that they definitely deserve a medal. But I hope your daughter will respect those people who worked their butts off and tried their best. I hope my kids realize that that is the most important thing.

This is so true! One of the attractions of a Disney race is that it is supposed to be a fun, rather than hardcore occasion -- or at least that is how they bill it.

My dear friend has been swept and received medals and she trains harder, has a better work ethic, and certainly "earns" the medals more than I do. She should absolutely accept her medal. This is not a purple heart which should only be awarded under very specific conditions, it is supposed to be the culmination of a lot of hard work for a fun accomplishment. For people who don't do these races every month or week, this is a big deal. And to not finish is heartbreaking. Everyone who starts a Disney race cannot finish in 16mm, but making the effort is certainly medal-worthy to me. People who are not fast, who don't even enter local races at home because they know there is no way they will finish in 3 hours or less and that is considered "slow" for those races -- for us, Disney offers an opportunity we don't have other places. What a shame to realize that fellow WISHers feel we are unwelcome to try.

And yes, I did finish every Disney race I've entered. I don't feel like my personal accomplishment is diminished in any way by giving medals to people who are trying their best.

Maria :upsidedow

cewait 11-11-2012 02:57 PM

Sorry, I disagree....


From runDisney....

"Race participants in the Walt Disney World® Marathon will receive:
Champion® Unisex Long-Sleeved Marathon Tech Shirt*
Commemorative 20th Anniversary Mickey Mouse Finisher medal*
Official Race Program Guide*
iGiftBag
Personalized bib (Must register by November 1, 2012 for name to appear on bib)*
On-course and post-race refreshments
ChronoTrack B-tag timed race
Personalized results website

Dates, times and prices subject to change. All races are subject to capacity limits and may close at any time.

* Participants must attend Packet Pick-up at Disney's Health & Fitness Expo to receive their race packet, bib, and tech shirt. Finisher medals will be distributed to finishers during the race. None of these items will be mailed to registrants that did not participate." Emphasis added....

You are correct that the medal/lanyard does not say finisher. But frankly it is an insult to finishers from the winner through the last struggling runner who is peddling as hard as they can to cross the finish line. You know the runner, the one who suffered through the last 10 miles with a huge blister, dehydrating and just barely willing their body to take that very next step.

Sorry if this offends anyone but I would rather the Race Director reserve medals for actual finishers and for that very last place runner's RIGHT to say I FINISHED! and wear their medal proudly.

Otherwise, just hand it out at the expo and be done with it


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